Should we be celebrating Helen Keller?

Whoa!!! After reading those links, I have to say that to "HONOR" her would be a slap in every American's face!!!!

How did I get this OLD and only know about the Annie Sullivan who opened the world up to a young child.

This stuff I did not know... and I am glad you pointed it out to me. There will be NO Helen Keller Festival for ME this year!!! Mad
Yes, the lady was a socialist and involved with Theosophy -- Madame Blavotski's curse. But, at least that was when socialism was still theory and not a known failure.

I heard her speak at Ivy Green years ago. At least, she had the excuse of being deaf and blind. What was the excuse for so many more?
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Originally posted by Yo Brotha from anotha Motha:
DL, would you care that one of the liberal democrats was a former member of the KKK?


I'm sorry but I don't see the connection. Keller was concerned with helping poor people (or at least that it what I read on the second link you provided). How does this compare with a group of people who hate someone because of the color of their skin?
DavidL... this is one time I have to totally agree with YO!!! Being a Socialist IS anti-American!!! That was established long time ago... in fact, many many years ago, people were hanged for being a socialist, they called it treason.

I don't think treason exists anymore though, don't seem like it... if you REALLY read up on it.
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I have to confess that I don't know a lot about Socialism!


That is cool David, there is nothing wrong with not knowing something!!! I think you would do better though by Googling it and educating yourself on it instead of it being explained here.... that way you would know.

You have no idea how many posts I have run across that I knew precious little about them, so I got my trusty old Google, and found out what I needed to know before replying...

I admire you very much for admitting that!!!! Shows that you are open to learn things, and that is a definite asset!!! Smiler
I have mixed feelings about this. According to the back of the Alabama state quarter, which has the banner “Spirit of Courage”, it’s not supporting her political views. Everyone has his or her own political views. What it seems the state quarter is trying to depict is her overwhelming difficulties she surpassed. I see the quarter as supporting her courage and nothing else. Having a personal family member who works for the Alabama Institute for the Deaf and Blind, I’ve seen first hand the courage that it takes for someone with such multiple disabilities to over come. Socialism and her ACLU founding principles aside, she was a remarkable woman.
to bad tdreader you do not appreciate the fact the internet has opened so many doors to KNOWLEDGE. Granted there is a lot of pure bunk out there,but so is there in the local library shelves. One has to use some COMMON SENSE and check the sources of any article read from anywhere.
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I have mixed feelings about this. According to the back of the Alabama state quarter, which has the banner “Spirit of Courage”, it’s not supporting her political views. Everyone has his or her own political views. What it seems the state quarter is trying to depict is her overwhelming difficulties she surpassed. I see the quarter as supporting her courage and nothing else. Having a personal family member who works for the Alabama Institute for the Deaf and Blind, I’ve seen first hand the courage that it takes for someone with such multiple disabilities to over come. Socialism and her ACLU founding principles aside, she was a remarkable woman.


This was what I wanted to say! Smiler
Socialism is pretty much dead. So is Hellen Keller. Her contribution to society has nothing to do with her politics. She gave hope to thousands who were thought to be worthless, un-educatable and were often left in state homes to die. This obsession with out dated, cold war era worries about pinkos and commies is tiresome. We have bigger worries. If you are looking for enemies, you will always find em.
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Originally posted by David L.:
I have to confess that I don't know a lot about Socialism!


The Fire department is a Socialist program, RFD is a private company. Public Schools are socialist, Private schools are not. Public roads, socialist, Parking lots and private drives, not. Public police departments socialist, Private security not. Public Parks, Socialist, Private Gardens Not. Hunting and Fishing on Public Lands, Socialism. Private game and fishing reserves, NOT.

Public Medical Care socialism. Private insurance COMMUNISM.


Without socialism in the early 20th century, the time of Helen Keller's youth, there would not be a USA, ENGLAND or FRANCE. If the world had adopted socialism before WW I there would not have been a WW I, the basic cause of that "War to End All Wars" was an attempt to preserve the Absolute Monarchies of Europe.

GOVERNMENT OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE AND FOR THE PEOPLE IS SOCIALISM.

Think about that before you attack ME for saying it. Government OF THE PEOPLE, BY the People and FOR the people is socialism.
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Think about that before you attack ME for saying it. Government OF THE PEOPLE, BY the People and FOR the people is socialism.


It's clear you don't understand exactly what socialism is. From the American Heritage New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy:

"An economic system in which the production and distribution of goods are controlled substantially by the government rather than by private enterprise, and in which cooperation rather than competition guides economic activity. There are many varieties of socialism. Some socialists tolerate capitalism, as long as the government maintains the dominant influence over the economy; others insist on an abolition of private enterprise. All communists are socialists, but not all socialists are communists."

Socialism is not a good thing. A socialist society means the people have given up or lost individual freedoms. Their way of life is controlled by their government.

A government of the people, by the people, and for the people means that the people control the government. In a socialist society the government controls the people. If you're such a fan of socialism, I'm sure you'll enjoy living in China or North Korea. They are still holding on to the socialist ideals.

I don't agree with Helen Keller's politics, but every historical figure has a dark side. It's not her ideas that we acknowledge, it's her ability to overcome adversity and become successful.
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Think about that before you attack ME for saying it. Government OF THE PEOPLE, BY the People and FOR the people is socialism.


It's clear you don't understand exactly what socialism is. From the American Heritage New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy:

"An economic system in which the production and distribution of goods are controlled substantially by the government rather than by private enterprise, and in which cooperation rather than competition guides economic activity. There are many varieties of socialism. Some socialists tolerate capitalism, as long as the government maintains the dominant influence over the economy; others insist on an abolition of private enterprise. All communists are socialists, but not all socialists are communists."

Socialism is not a good thing. A socialist society means the people have given up or lost individual freedoms. Their way of life is controlled by their government.

A government of the people, by the people, and for the people means that the people control the government. In a socialist society the government controls the people. If you're such a fan of socialism, I'm sure you'll enjoy living in China or North Korea. They are still holding on to the socialist ideals.

I don't agree with Helen Keller's politics, but every historical figure has a dark side. It's not her ideas that we acknowledge, it's her ability to overcome adversity and become successful.


NashBama, The dictionary definition is CORRECT. But, we make a distinction between Socialist and Communist. Sweeden is SOCIALIST relative to the USA, and Capitalist relative to China.

Tyranny is NOT A FUNCTION OF ECONOMIC PLAN. The NATIONAL SOCIALISTS, were Tyrants, but they were not SOCIALISTS. Private corporations financed and manufactured the materials for the Third Reich's War.

The essential problem with the dictionary definition of Socialism is the fact that such a system HAS NEVER EXISTED.

Communism is also known as Marxist Socialism. The reason for the distinction is that Communism sought total global domination under a socialist or communal economic plan. Government of the people BY THE PEOPLE IS SOCIALISM. The reality of that statement is unavoidable. PURE AND SIMPLE, WE HAVE A GOVERNMENT THAT IS OWNED BY THE PEOPLE. Or we have a government that has been BOUGHT FROM THE PEOPLE BY THE ELITE. I did not agree to sell my GOVERNMENT to Halliburton, or Chevron, or a cartel of the corporations.
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Originally posted by smurph:
to bad tdreader you do not appreciate the fact the internet has opened so many doors to KNOWLEDGE. Granted there is a lot of pure bunk out there,but so is there in the local library shelves. One has to use some COMMON SENSE and check the sources of any article read from anywhere.


Thank you for agreeing with me. That is exactly what I was implying. If common sense had been used there would never have been a Hellen Keller smear topic started.

Perhaps the irony of a celebrated American icon having a different opinion of the ideal society than mainstream America would have made an interesting discussion.

But, for God's sake, was someone's advances toward an elderly blind deaf woman rejected? If this discussion had been signed into Hellen Keller's palm, it would have seared her flesh.

I do not understand how this blind deaf woman, in her grave for so many years, could present such a threat to our American way of life simply because of her differing opinion. Which, by the way, has been proven faulty.


This whole thing is crap - Helen Keller is buried in Arlington National Cemetary with many other American patriots. This constant seeking to find "enemies within" even to the extent of villifying Helen Keller is pathetic, and reflective of someone who does NOT have enough to do.
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The essential problem with the dictionary definition of Socialism is the fact that such a system HAS NEVER EXISTED.


Actually it has. The concept doesn't work, the end result is a transition into Communism.

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Government of the people BY THE PEOPLE IS SOCIALISM.


That sounds a lot like a definition I just read.

"government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system. "

Is that what you would consider socialism?
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Please tell me we are not getting a comparison between Helen Keller and Saddam here.



Sorry meanasasnake...I keep forgetting to 'dumb down' for folks like you.


My point was that ALL people have their 'good points'...BUT good points can be overshadowed by 'bad points', such as with Keller.

I am sure, even YOU may have some 'good points'!
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Originally posted by Mott The Hoople:
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Everyone has his or her own political views.



I've heard Saddam Hussein had some good points.

Please tell me we are not getting a comparison between Helen Keller and Saddam here.


For Real, meanasasnake!!! This is getting ridiculous.

Political beliefs in this country IS extremely important, without them, WHY do we even bother?
To celebrate her work for the Socialist party or the contributions to the blind and deaf.
why doesn't someone do an independent poll this year at the Helen Keller festival an see WHY they are there?
lets just see how many folks in the Shoals know about her political affiliations,or even care for that matter.
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
This is funny. Helen Keller is now an enemy of the state. Her political views "overshadow" her lifes work for the deaf and blind. You know you are in the minority in this - like many other things.


I will bet you my life that you had know idea she was a Socialist before you read this thread. If it's not such a big deal then why is it that 90% of people don't know it? Why do they fail to teach about the socialist part of her life when teaching our children in school?

What if George Washington had been a socialist?

Admit it, you just received an education free of charge and you are in shock and don't know how to respond. Thats ok, just read more on the subject before you begin ranting.
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Originally posted by Yo Brotha from anotha Motha:
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
This is funny. Helen Keller is now an enemy of the state. Her political views "overshadow" her lifes work for the deaf and blind. You know you are in the minority in this - like many other things.


I will bet you my life that you had know idea she was a Socialist before you read this thread. If it's not such a big deal then why is it that 90% of people don't know it? Why do they fail to teach about the socialist part of her life when teaching our children in school?

What if George Washington had been a socialist?

Admit it, you just received an education free of charge and you are in shock and don't know how to respond. Thats ok, just read more on the subject before you begin ranting.


Better be glad you did not make that bet - I was aware of Helen Kellers political affiliations. I just dont give a ****. She had every right to her political philosophy - just as you do. It in no way changes her contribution to the deaf and blind in our country. Wonder why the only thing we hear of is this contribution and not the politics? Because its a footnote, not really very relevant, and those who are obsessed with it HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO WORRY ABOUT. Get a job, go work with the deaf and blind, iron clothes, but for Gods sake, stop digging up 50yr old trivia looking for an enemy of the state.
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Better be glad you did not make that bet - I was aware of Helen Kellers political affiliations. I just dont give a ****. She had every right to her political philosophy - just as you do. It in no way changes her contribution to the deaf and blind in our country. Wonder why the only thing we hear of is this contribution and not the politics? Because its a footnote, not really very relevant, and those who are obsessed with it HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO WORRY ABOUT. Get a job, go work with the deaf and blind, iron clothes, but for Gods sake, stop digging up 50yr old trivia looking for an enemy of the state.


What has you so hot under the collar? The original post was a little known fact and then a simple question for discussion. My opinion is that she should not be on any United States Currency. Sure celebrate with a festival in Tuscumbia but don't put her image on US currency. To many have fought and died to protect us from being a socialist government.

Is that honor?

I do work with deaf, blind, sick, and elderly.
What do you do?
Back to the original question. Yes we should be celebrating Helen Keller. Her political views is not what made stand out, it is her abilty to overcome advercitys she was dealt with. Personaly, I am celebrating that and I am not folowing her political stand.
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Originally posted by Yo Brotha from anotha Motha:
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Better be glad you did not make that bet - I was aware of Helen Kellers political affiliations. I just dont give a ****. She had every right to her political philosophy - just as you do. It in no way changes her contribution to the deaf and blind in our country. Wonder why the only thing we hear of is this contribution and not the politics? Because its a footnote, not really very relevant, and those who are obsessed with it HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO WORRY ABOUT. Get a job, go work with the deaf and blind, iron clothes, but for Gods sake, stop digging up 50yr old trivia looking for an enemy of the state.


What has you so hot under the collar? The original post was a little known fact and then a simple question for discussion. My opinion is that she should not be on any United States Currency. Sure celebrate with a festival in Tuscumbia but don't put her image on US currency. To many have fought and died to protect us from being a socialist government.

Is that honor?

I do work with deaf, blind, sick, and elderly.
What do you do?


I commend you your great contribution to our nation. Maybe we will see your image on money some day.
As for your assessment that many have died to "keep us from socialism". That is not exactly correct. They fought to keep us free. Free to hold any political view point we wish - even one which may fail, prove useless or be unpopular. Free to be wrong,in other words.
What do I do? Well, clearly not as much as you. One question - do you do background checks on those you help? I mean, there might be an old socialist in the bunch. Better be careful.

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