Should We Believe Her -- Or Not?

Hi to my Forum Friends,

Shall we remove all doubts? This is a video from the "horse's mouth" -- so to speak -- telling us that Obama's home country is Kenya. If that is so; why is he president of America. If we are not careful, Arnold will be next.

Click on this link, or copy/paste it to your Internet Explorer browser:

http://www.infowars.com/michel...obamas-home-country/

MICHELLE OBAMA: KENYA IS OBAMA'S HOME COUNTRY

Infowars.com, April 5, 2010
http://www.infowars.com/michel...obamas-home-country/

Obama’s wife admits what many have long suspected — her husband’s home country is Kenya. Does this mean Obama was born in the African country as many have long suggested? Maybe. It should be enough to re-open the “birther” case against Obama. It won’t be, of course, because the establishment media controls the debate over the issue. Even so, the video clip below should be added to the case — that is so long as it remains posted on YouTube.


Now, before anyone screams, "Why is this on the Religion Forum?" -- it is because his Far Left Liberal position is strongly, directly, and negatively affecting my Christian faith. Okay?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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have you noticed that the RNC who look for every slight piece of dirt on any democrat hasn't challenged the legitimacy of his american birth? especially since his BIRTH CERTIFICATE was verified and published on the internet.
have you also noticed that its only the right wing white supremists who keep bringing it up?
It is my reccomendation that we ALL put Bill on our "ignore" list. It is a shame that he is posting political garbage (and most of it lies) and doing it in God's name. He is truly taking God's name in vain, every time he does this. If we all ignore him, he'll go away.
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Originally posted by O No!:
It is my reccomendation that we ALL put Bill on our "ignore" list. It is a shame that he is posting political garbage (and most of it lies) and doing it in God's name. He is truly taking God's name in vain, every time he does this. If we all ignore him, he'll go away.


How is it a lie if all Bill is doing is posting a link of Obama's wife clearly saying Kenya is Obama's home country? Who cares what forum it's posted in, does it make her words any less true? Also, praying for our leaders does not mean we have to worship them. He does work for us after all. We hire and fire him.
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Now, before anyone screams, "Why is this on the Religion Forum?" -- it is because his Far Left Liberal position is strongly, directly, and negatively affecting my Christian faith. Okay?


No, it is not okay.

Your faith must be pretty weak for a normal, sinful man you've never met to have such a negative effect.

The only thing which can affect faith is yourself. No else can change it.

If anything is affecting your faith it would your irrational dislike of the man and your apparent need to try and tear him down.
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Originally posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
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Originally posted by O No!:
It is my reccomendation that we ALL put Bill on our "ignore" list. It is a shame that he is posting political garbage (and most of it lies) and doing it in God's name. He is truly taking God's name in vain, every time he does this. If we all ignore him, he'll go away.


Yes, she said it, but people are simply putting a right side spin on it, he simply knows his ancestry and his wife simply was stating he has roots in the country. Would you like me to follow you around and take everything you say directly? Remember, the english language has many, many statements that imply something other that what the words exactly mean.

How is it a lie if all Bill is doing is posting a link of Obama's wife clearly saying Kenya is Obama's home country? Who cares what forum it's posted in, does it make her words any less true? Also, praying for our leaders does not mean we have to worship them. He does work for us after all. We hire and fire him.
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi to my Forum Friends,

Shall we remove all doubts? This is a video from the "horse's mouth" -- so to speak -- telling us that Obama's home country is Kenya. If that is so; why is he president of America. If we are not careful, Arnold will be next.

Click on this link, or copy/paste it to your Internet Explorer browser:

http://www.infowars.com/michel...obamas-home-country/

MICHELLE OBAMA: KENYA IS OBAMA'S HOME COUNTRY

Infowars.com, April 5, 2010
http://www.infowars.com/michel...obamas-home-country/

Obama’s wife admits what many have long suspected — her husband’s home country is Kenya. Does this mean Obama was born in the African country as many have long suggested? Maybe. It should be enough to re-open the “birther” case against Obama. It won’t be, of course, because the establishment media controls the debate over the issue. Even so, the video clip below should be added to the case — that is so long as it remains posted on YouTube.


Now, before anyone screams, "Why is this on the Religion Forum?" -- it is because his Far Left Liberal position is strongly, directly, and negatively affecting my Christian faith. Okay?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


Your Christian faith must not be very strong if you can let the temporal and fleeting contemporary political climate affect it so strongly and negatively. The contemporary politics in the First Century Roman Empire were far worse than we have experienced in our lives, and that bold apostle had to put up with a whole lot more adversity than you or I ever have or ever will. He even gave thanks for being privileged to suffer for his Lord. You, on the other hand, seem more interested in bashing liberals, allegedly for the Lord, and in a rather low way, if I might say so, and relentlessly bemoaning the politics and politicians you don't like. Man up, Bill! Screw your courage to the sticking place and you will not fail!

And this "birther" thing is one of those things you need to shuck off pronto! I believe we are warned about propagating that kind of certified rubbish in the Bible when it speaks of "everyone who maketh and believeth a lie." Chase that one down in your Young's Anlytical and see what the fate of such offendersis!

As to the First Lady's statement, you and others are predictably jumping to the conclusions you covet as supporting your disdain of the President. Could it have occurred to you that she might have been referring to the President's ancestry, rather than his origin by birth? His father, after all, was a Kenyan. Probably not, since that would not fit your rancorous anti-Obama agenda. You need to get off the silly-assed "birther" nonsense, Bill, since it wounds your credibility--whatever is left of it--in other realms of discussion.
Bill I really respect you for standing against the anti Godly forces in this country and especially on this forum.You have been a real champion the last few years.....BUT!!.....Do you expect us to believe that the republican party, Bush ,Chaney,Carl Rove and all those other conniving thugs that were in control of the CIA and all the other intelligence gathering machinery would allow a black non citizen of the United States to defeat one of their brothers and war hero (John McCain)in an election for the Presidency ?....Yes this same covert bunch that gave us "water gate"....A covert OP carried out and bungled during an election that they couldn't have lost without trying .If this is what you want us to believe ? Thank God the stupid bastards lost....I personally don't want that sort of mental midgets leading my children into WAR!!!.....Another thing, as a Christian you say "Heaven is your home"and on earth you are "just a poor wayfaring stranger" .Should we revoke your voting rights because you have declared yourself an alien ...a extraterrestrial ? .....And lastly his mother was a native born U.S. Caucasian Citizen .Therefore it doesn't matter where he was born or who his Daddy was he is a citizen of these UNITED STATES.
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Originally posted by tcf531:
have you noticed that the RNC who look for every slight piece of dirt on any democrat hasn't challenged the legitimacy of his american birth? especially since his BIRTH CERTIFICATE was verified and published on the internet.

THIS IS THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE POSTED ON THE INTERNET. COULD IT BE MORE STERILIZED OR PHONY? IT LOOKS LIKE IT CAME FROM THE DIME STORE!

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The people that matter when it comes to such things have all agreed that Obama met the requirements of citizenship. (I didn't vote for him, nor do I agree with much of his policy).

The only people that keep this issue alive are insane conspiracy theorists. The emphasis is on "insane".

Bill, you are lucky you never met Charlie Manson, or Jim Jones, or any of their ilk. Your willingness to be so misled could have only ended in tragedy for you.

And what the heck is this doing in the religion forum anyway?
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
NOW THIS ONE LOOKS A WEE BIT MORE AUTHENTIC!

You can find it posted at: http://www.orlytatzesq.com


However "authentic" that piece of forgery might look to you and other unquestioning,gullible dupes intent on promoting "birther" lies, the FACT is that the thing is totally False and a clumsy forgery circulated by the infamous Dr. Orly Taitz, one of the more prominent and more despicable members of the "birther" cult. It has been fully discredited and for very good reason. As explained on snopes.com, here is the truth about this lying, fabricated piece of purulent garbage:

http://www.snopes.com/politics...rthers/kenyacert.asp

Bill, you (and other deranged "birthers") relentlessly and unapologetically continue to covet and use some means--any means--to discredit the President. Clearly, you are not exercising your obligation, as a believer and as one who allegedly relies upon the scriptures for guidance and direction, to "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good," as Christians are directed to do. (I Thessalonians 5:21). Instead, you have precipitously, and without any verification or examination--i.e. without "proving" the validity of the tripe you have served up-- posted this long-discredited falsification of a supposed Kenyan birth certificate.

That thing is old stuff, Bill. It has bounced around the world, titillating the expectations of millions like yourself who are eager to embrace, without examination, just about any kind of rubbish ginned up by the wacky crowd of Obama-hating dingbats, conspiracy nuts, self-righteous cretins, photo-shopping deceivers, and unprincipled demagogues who seemingly will stop at nothing in their vicious attempts to discredit The Honorable Barack Hussein Obama, who is--like it or not--President of the United States, Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces, Leader of the Free World, and Da Man!--whether they like it or not!

Your authenticity detector badly needs to be re-calibrated, Bill.
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Originally posted by tcf531:
This one looks real:http://kenyanbirthcertificateg...c4f46b080fea768b.jpg


Now THAT is a real HOOT! You have made my day!

But more importantly, you have shown the irremediably gullible Bill just how easy it is to contrive bogus information. Do not count on that true believer* to acknowledge that he was in error, though or to amend his easy susceptibility to deception about things Obaman. That is something that seems to be against his religion!

*the genre contemplated by Eric Hoffer in his little book, "The True Believer"
Hi Beter,

Quoting Snopes.Com regarding Obama -- is much like quoting his wife. Everyone knows that the couple who run Snopes.Com are EXTREME Obama supporters. You will never find anything negative about Obama on that web site.

Good try, my Friend. But, no cigar!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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I've been Billfree for 24 hours and not yet in withdrawal! In fact, it feels great: no rapture crap, no halfwit-quotations, no Snoopy cartoons, no birther B.S., no tribulation, no back handed condemnations to hell. Man, it is like remission from brain cancer!
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
NOW THIS ONE LOOKS A WEE BIT MORE AUTHENTIC!

You can find it posted at: http://www.orlytatzesq.com




However "authentic" that piece of forgery might look to you and other unquestioning,gullible dupes intent on promoting "birther" lies, the FACT is that the thing is totally False and a clumsy forgery circulated by the infamous Dr. Orly Taitz, one of the more prominent and more despicable members of the "birther" cult. It has been fully discredited and for very good reason. As explained on snopes.com, here is the truth about this lying, fabricated piece of purulent garbage:

http://www.snopes.com/politics...rthers/kenyacert.asp

Bill, you (and other deranged "birthers") relentlessly and unapologetically continue to covet and use some means--any means--to discredit the President. Clearly, you are not exercising your obligation, as a believer and as one who allegedly relies upon the scriptures for guidance and direction, to "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good," as Christians are directed to do. (I Thessalonians 5:21). Instead, you have precipitously, and without any verification or examination--i.e. without "proving" the validity of the tripe you have served up-- posted this long-discredited falsification of a supposed Kenyan birth certificate.

That thing is old stuff, Bill. It has bounced around the world, titillating the expectations of millions like yourself who are eager to embrace, without examination, just about any kind of rubbish ginned up by the wacky crowd of Obama-hating dingbats, conspiracy nuts, self-righteous cretins, photo-shopping deceivers, and unprincipled demagogues who seemingly will stop at nothing in their vicious attempts to discredit The Honorable Barack Hussein Obama, who is--like it or not--President of the United States, Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces, Leader of the Free World, and Da Man!--whether they like it or not!

Your authenticity detector badly needs to be re-calibrated, Bill.


I love that website!! Big Grin
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Beter,

Quoting Snopes.Com regarding Obama -- is much like quoting his wife. Everyone knows that the couple who run Snopes.Com are EXTREME Obama supporters. You will never find anything negative about Obama on that web site.

Good try, my Friend. But, no cigar!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


No cigar wanted or needed. How cavalierly you dismiss facts and proof, Bill. You think that by stigmatizing the source, snopes.com, you have refuted the information that it provides. How about manning up and attempting to refute the facts on snopes that clearly show the silly Kenyan birth certificate to be a falsification? Snopes provides a list of obvious flaws in the document that confirm its
lack of authenticity. You are foolish to rely on such an obvious forgery to support your contentions and you are an evasive weasel in your failure to address the substance of the Snopes analysis. In short, you are a pitiful, prejudiced, incompetent ankle-biting coward with meager talent for informed argumentation, discussion and debate.

By the way, check out tcf531's post, below, which provides compelling information from FactCheck.org concerning the authenticity of Obama's Hawaii birth certificate. You will probably try to impugn that source also, but you can not competently rebut the FACTS it provides. Only a drooling fool would even attempt to do so.

The verdict is in and it is obvious to all except the moronic crowd of diehard "birthers" that Obama was born in Hawaii, not in Kenya.

The "birther" line on Obama's birthplace is in the same class as the contention that the U.S. moon landing in 1969 was a faked-up affair filmed in some desert in the American Southwest!

Once more, Bill: "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." That is BIBLE STUFF, Bill. It is where you ought to be, but not where you are. It is past time for you to repent and get right with God on this "birther" lie you have been nitwitlessly propagating!

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