I knew it would happen. You can't lose to Auburn 5 times and expect to keep your job.
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quote:Originally posted by mjallen1:
None of you guys get it. I like Shula, but liking don't win football games.
Alabama has made a lot of mistakes when it comes to hiring a football coach, especially Dubose and Shula.
For all of their good points, they both share a common misgiving. They don't have the respect of their players. This is something that must be earned early, and can't be gotten later.
This is the basis of what makes a player reach his potential and play his heart out for his coach. Basically, they beleive in their coach.
Dubose and Shula also share another truth. Neither had ever been a head coach at any level, nor had they shown any abition to be a head coach.
Let's face it, if Gene Stallings was still coaching at Alabama, Dubose would still be an Alabama , assistant, and Shula would still be an assiatant in the NFL.
We need a guy that is self made, someone who has worked his was up the ladder, and beed a head coach, most of all is a proven commodity.
quote:Originally posted by bgreider:
ya go 10 and 2 get a 200k signing bonus and a 1.55 mill a year contract extention in may the fired for a 6-6 season. PLus a scandal free program ...Alabama places a greater emphasis on winning at all costs than they do their FB program.....Well UTEP might send Mike Price back....he went 5-7 there. Good luck to the next flavor of the day...and the bear would be disgusted
quote:Originally posted by imho:
Bear Bryant has been gone for 23 years.
Do the math. Players on Alabama's team were not alive yet when Bear last coached. Yes the legacy lives - but it is just that - a legacy.
Alabama did not make Bear Bryant great, the Bear made Alabama great.
The Bama elite need to realize they should stop trying to hire someone to carry on Bear's legacy and instead hire someone to begin a new legacy, which was the thought in hiring Shula and four years wasn't enough time.
quote:Originally posted by jesspow:
4 years is enough time to show some lasting improvement.
Isn't your statement a bit contradictory? You say get away from the past but yet you say Shula should've been given more time. He was hired simply on the merit of him being a former Alabama player. His record speaks for itself. He's NEVER been successful anywhere.. not just Bama.. ANYWHERE.
quote:Originally posted by imho:
Contradictory? 4 years is a blink of the eye in history. That isn't long enough for his recruits to be upper classmen (1st year he had no recruits of his).
quote:Originally posted by imho:
He was hired in part because HE WAS THE ONLY ONE to accept the lame duck position.
quote:Originally posted by imho:
Not successful? 10-2 in 2005 wasn't a success coming off probation? How soon people forget.
quote:Originally posted by imho:
According to ESPN no college football head coach has ever led two different schools to national titles. The Bear, Stallings, Spurier, Saban, all came to their schools without being the greatest of their time - most of them were historically losers - then they built something.
quote:Originally posted by MonkeysUncleByMarriage:
Secondly, his first recruits were juniors. Since when did that no longer be considered an upper classmen?
quote:Originally posted by MonkeysUncleByMarriage:
Personally, I was pulling for Croom.
quote:Originally posted by MonkeysUncleByMarriage:
Again, last year aside, he was 16-21.
quote:Originally posted by MonkeysUncleByMarriage:
Shula would've never built anything.
quote:Originally posted by MonkeysUncleByMarriage:
I think even the most ardent Shula supporter knew deep down this was PR more than a coach to lead us into the future. Shula is a nice guy and will run a clean program, be cordial to the media and smile when interviewed. That's what we needed form a public relations standpoint after Dubose, Fran, and Price.
quote:Originally posted by imho:
His first recruits, which didn't come until his 2nd year would be 3rd year sophomores or juniors. Hardly seasoned veterans like a 4th or 5th year senior. The next coach will reap benefits of Shula's recruiting. 10-2 in 2007.
quote:Originally posted by imho:
I never understood how someone can erase a year from someone's record? If winning big is a criteria then forget Stalling's championship.
quote:Originally posted by imho:
We'll never know.
quote:Originally posted by Confederate Gentleman:
Shula was doing well at Miami. It was Jimmy Johnson 's determination to run the ball that kept him from winning more than they did at Miami.
Next was WHINE-STEAD. He sux worse then Jimmy Johnson did. Shula was an exellent postion coach. He did good with what he had to work with after Dan Marino retired.( Jay Fielder)
As for Tampa Bay ,it is known as a BREEDING ground for Super Bowl quarter backs. As offensive coordinator under Tony Dungy with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, the team enjoyed great success and narrowly missed the Super Bowl after losing a fierce contest with the eventual Super Bowl champion St. Louis Rams.
Shula was done wrong. Mal Moore needs to go as well as pulling some of Bear Brynt jrs influence.
If Shulas would have stayed Alabama would be contending for a national championship over the next few years.
quote:Originally posted by NashBama:
Shula was fired because he wouldn't fire his staff. Horrible coaching mistakes were made the past 4 years that cost us big games. It was about time for a coaching change.
quote:Originally posted by jesspow:quote:Originally posted by Confederate Gentleman:
Shula was doing well at Miami. It was Jimmy Johnson 's determination to run the ball that kept him from winning more than they did at Miami.
Next was WHINE-STEAD. He sux worse then Jimmy Johnson did. Shula was an exellent postion coach. He did good with what he had to work with after Dan Marino retired.( Jay Fielder)
As for Tampa Bay ,it is known as a BREEDING ground for Super Bowl quarter backs. As offensive coordinator under Tony Dungy with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, the team enjoyed great success and narrowly missed the Super Bowl after losing a fierce contest with the eventual Super Bowl champion St. Louis Rams.
Shula was done wrong. Mal Moore needs to go as well as pulling some of Bear Brynt jrs influence.
If Shulas would have stayed Alabama would be contending for a national championship over the next few years.
Obviously you're either insane or a huge Shula fan. Shula's record speaks for itself. He has been fired from everywhere he's been other than Miami, when we snatched him up as they were about to fire him. His offense with the Bucs never achieved a higher rank than 22nd in the NFL. Those numbers do not lie.
Shula is terrible at clock management, decision making and play calling. Always has been, always will be. It's just a fact.
quote:Originally posted by Shoals Lover:
Where's da Bear!?
quote:Originally posted by imho:quote:Originally posted by Shoals Lover:Where's da Bear!?
Turning over in his grave, may he rest in peace.
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You must get your sports info by playing Madden 1999 rather than keeping up with news and events. Shula was NOT going to be released from the Dolphins.
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Last year Alabama was 10-2. They destroyed Florida. Shula was only in his 3rd year as a head coach. He had never been a head coach on any level.
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Shula had already took Alabama to the next level in 05 with a team that was on PROBATION. He also lost what seniors were their in 05. He was a GREAT recruitor. He was learning on the job and Mal Moore, Witt, and the rest of those jerks knew it.
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Win and lost records are the only records that count. You have to work with what talent level you have. The entire coaching staff got fired from Tampa not just Shula.
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Shula was learnig on the job and he would have gotten better. I think he did need to diciplne his player more than he did. There were some serious issue in that regaurd.
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The bottom line is that Mal Moore and the Alabama good old boys have ruined Alabamas great tradition.
quote:Originally posted by MonkeysUncleByMarriage:quote:
Shula was learnig on the job and he would have gotten better. I think he did need to diciplne his player more than he did. There were some serious issue in that regaurd.
You don't "learn on the job" at a major Division 1 Program.
quote:If this was Bama's mistake then so be it, but two wrongs don't make a right