So Gay Marriage Biblically Offends You? Then You Should Read This...

She can live her life style, I don't care. 

If someone says I'm gay and proud of it, someone pats them on the back.

If someone says I'm straight and proud of it, they are sexist pigs.

What's the difference?

Who has said they are gay and proud of it and been 'patted on the back' for being gay? Could it not be they were 'patted on the back' as you put it, for being brave enough to say they're gay? I am taking a chance by posting this, because I am NOT equating homosexuality with any of these things, and one of you will jump and say I did, but why do you christians pat people on the back that declare they are alcoholics, drug abusers, thieves, people living together and having kids out of wedlock, and all sorts of so called sinners? You feed and house them, clothe them, get them on the government dole and never, anywhere I have seen, speak out about how they're sinning what the bible and your gawd says about them. Your preachers have no problem marrying them. Freaking hypocrites.

why do you christians pat people on the back that declare they are alcoholics, drug abusers, thieves, people living together and having kids out of wedlock, and all sorts of so called sinners? 

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I don't recall patting them on the back.

I have never understood why people get so up in arms over it.

All ministers I know will not marry those who have been divorced or they see as abusive or unfit to be married.  The Bible does not support the view that practicing homosexuals can be Christians. 

Christian business owners are already being persecuted for declining to be involved in gay marriage as it conflicts with their beliefs.  Gay and race are two different things, I should be able to discriminate against an act if it conflicts with my religion.  If you look closer you'll see much hate from the gay/lesbian population toward Bible believing Christians.  New age "Christians" get a pass as they are compliant.

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Think real hard, I bet you have. Most likely you cried tears of 'joy' too when you were able to make some drunk's life easier.

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Someone is marrying them, in huge church weddings too, with little out of wedlock baby a part of the ceremony. I'm a business owner, how do I determine who is gay and who isn't, so I don't accidentally treat them like a human being? How do I know which man is beating his wife so I don't do business with him? How do I figure out which man or woman is cheating and/or has a boogillion kids out of wedlock so I can discriminate against them? OR do people only get to discriminate if they are religiously offended? Just not liking something or someone doesn't count? How about the religious nuts, can I refuse to do business with them? How about the stinking cigarette smokers? Can I turn them away because they stink, or if I know they smoke weed? If I know someone's lifestyle is one I don't agree with, can I discriminate even if I'm not religious???

Now, let me stress this, I never once posted or put forth the idea that gay people didn't exhibit hate for some christians. I have pointed out, and the anti-gay crowd ignores it, that gays lying about being discriminated against, the stupid thing like the remarks on receipts that didn't happen, is wrong. Some dumba**rying to force some other  dumb *** to make a wedding cake for them is wrong and unnecessary, and only wanting to start trouble. But, so is the stupid claim that gay people are 'persecuting' christians. The ignorance on both sides is scary.

IF you don't tell others that their lifestyle upsets you and makes the angels cry, why the HE** do you do it to gay people?? Why not raise **** about preachers marrying other so called sinners and 'christian' businesses making cakes and flower arrangements for them?

Therefore, if gay marriage or 'homosexuality' doesn't affect you personally in the way you live your life in any way, why do you feel the need to even get involved? Why worry about something that is, frankly, none of your business? For instance, I'm not divorced, but many people I know are, and I'm not going to judge them. We shouldn't judge anyone for the way they live their life. If you don't agree with gay marriage, then don't have a gay wedding. Simple.

Think real hard, I bet you have. Most likely you cried tears of 'joy' too when you were able to make some drunk's life easier.

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I thought real hard, the answers no. How do you make a drunk's life easier?  Any hints or suggestions. I don't recall any tears of joy either.

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You need to drop the 'innocent act' jt. Churches feed and clothe them, give them a place to sleep, bathe and so forth with no questions asked. They ask the community to donate to the causes because they aren't going to get up off of their tax exempt moola to do it. Is that not making their lives easier? Why are you denying this?

You need to drop the 'innocent act' jt. Churches feed and clothe them, give them a place to sleep, bathe and so forth with no questions asked. They ask the community to donate to the causes because they aren't going to get up off of their tax exempt moola to do it. Is that not making their lives easier? Why are you denying this?

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I checked, it's just as I thought, I don't own a church.

Did anyone say you owned a church? Do you go to church? So, you disagree with churches doing those things? Do you speak up against it?

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Then perhaps you should provide a questionnaire before they walk in the door -

*Have you had permarital sex?

*Have you been divorced?

*Are you gay?

*Are you in an interracial marriage?

*Do you eat shellfish?"

Etc, etc., etc.

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Be sure that the questionnaire is printed in 10 different languages, braille, and provide a multilingual interpreter for those who can't read.  PC rules.

No Smokers Allowed-You Stink

No Mexicans or other foreigners, or Yankees Allowed-I don't like your accents and I shouldn't have to waste my time trying to understand you.

No Christians Allowed-I'm an atheist

No Democrats Allowed-You're too slimy and crooked.

My gosh, we're going to need a LOT of signs!!

Typical ignorant response I've come to expect from you.  Serving a sinner a piece of cake does not violate anyone's belief.  Participating in a sinners sin does violate my belief.

Can I be any clearer or do you need me to draw you a picture?

So, unless a person is religious they can't be offended by other's behavior or lifestyle? Or if they are, they can't refuse to serve them if they have no religious 'grounds'? Just being sickened and disgusted by them isn't enough? Hmmmmm, doesn't sound fair to me. What if someone IS religious and starts a movement against all the things that upset them? Then what?

For him, it is a "pick and choose" mentality.

Hey Bestworking let me put a different perspective from the way I see it. You keep bringing up eating bacon, lying, or divorce as sins.

Let's deal with the bacon first. As you probably already know since you are a Christian, not eating bacon was for the Jews, not the gentiles. Jesus was very clear on this when he said "It's not what goes into your mouth that defiles you, but what comes out of it." Please stop using food as a reference for your agenda. The proof is there if you will read your bible.

As for everything else you mentioned, yes lying and divorce are sins. And it's true that all sins are equal. What I've come to realize over that last few years is that we're all imperfect beings created by God. Sin was first introduced to the world through Adam and Eve, and we are not born perfect. Everyone has sin they struggle with, whether it be lying, stealing, lust, greed, or even homosexuality. For your argument to work you would have to say that lying, stealing, adultery, and murder are not sins too. Having sex with someone of the same sex is clearly a sin in the bible, whether you are looking at the old or New Testament.

Having said all that, the secret to Christianity is my opinion is overcoming the sins in your life that you struggle with to be more like Christ. Some people struggle with addiction, some with lying, some with stealing, and some with homosexuality. Denying that homosexuality is a sin is very dangerous, and I encourage you to study your bible and research what I'm saying (specifically, Romans 1; 24-32). In my opinion, you need to overcome your sins to draw closer to God, not deny that they are a sin.

Also, understand that it’s easy for Christians to be harder on homosexuality that many other sins because it's something that most have never struggled with. Just about everyone at one time has struggled with lying, or divorce, etc. at one time or another. When you look at homosexuality, it only affects approximately one to three percent of the population. This is not an excuse for Christians to act like this, but if you look at human nature it’s easier to be hard on a particular sin that you don’t struggle with.

I want to wish you the best of luck. I didn’t write this to hurt your feelings; rather I just wanted to give you my opinion. I hope you will continue to read your bible and pray for guidance on this issue as I do. God bless!

Sorry, CNX88, wrong poster. Is that you again beternnun? I don't keep bringing up bacon, I don't think I've ever brought it up. I'm an atheist, and I don't know what you think my 'agenda' is, since you have the wrong poster. Only people I care about could hurt my feelings.

I guess you copied and pasted this from another website and the topic wasn't your words? Sorry. I'm new here, and I dont know you.

Ha, this is getting hilarious.

No problem. That's why I posted a link. If they were my words I wouldn't post a link, or if I comment before I copy/paste and post a link I will put a line separating my comments from the article or post.

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That told "bacon eaters" thing is truly stupid and is bad theology, as has often been explained on this forum. Christians are not subject to the Levitical law's proscription against pork, as is very fully explained in the New Testament.  Ditto for shrimp and tattoos.  And the New Testament definitively condemns homosexuality, in Romans chapter 1, despite strained and desperate attempts to re- interpret the clear language there.  Those who fatuously insist that Christians who find homosexuality immoral must themselves be sinners because they don't follow Levitical requirements simply show their ignorance.

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So you  "don't keep bringing up bacon"?

Well in your first post in this string, YOU posted comments from a lesbian woman who brought up bacon and other aspects of Old Testament law, so you did bring it up, by way of posting a reference that you offered no disclaimer to in any way.

Oh please professor DA, that's weak even for you.

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Amazing!  you continue to make bald critical ASSertions instead of intelligent rebuttals.  You have a long string of that kind of evasive activity going.

Assertions professor DA? No, statement of fact. Intelligent rebuttal to your ignorant statements? Again, weak, even for you, and you've been as weak as water.

There's seven abominations mentioned in Proverbs. That seven is by no means complete but basically, evil is an abomination to the Lord. There’s several in Deuteronomy but one that stands out to me is Women wearing "men's" clothing and men wearing "women's" clothing. I see many women in church wearing jeans/pants. Should the Pastor stop them & tell them they have to change clothes before being allowed inside? I went to church with my husband one Sunday & the majority of women there had on pants. That’s one thing that bothered me when I attended church, & it bothered me that day. I could never do it but it's not for me to judge those that did.

Of the sixty-seven times that the word "abomination" is used in the Bible, it’s only mentioned twice in the New Testament. In Revelation, it simply says that anyone who practices abomination will not enter Heaven. In Luke, Jesus defines the love of money as an abomination to God. That's it as far as abominations in the New Testament are concerned, in spite of all the hoopla about Romans 1, which does not use the word. It amazes me how Christians will say the Old Testament scriptures aren’t meant for today, that the OT was done away with. But have you ever noticed how some of those scriptures will be used if some people need them?

Being Gay doesn’t bother me enough that I will shun you. I think the reason Homosexually is a problem is having it shoved in people’s face. Gay Pride, Gay Pride Parade’s, having people fired or suing business’s because they didn’t go against their Christian principals & make you a stupid cake! How does a cake make or break a gay marriage? Men kissing men in public, women kissing women in public. Yes, straight people do it too but I don’t want either one shoved in my face.

Divorce is wrong, but I don’t see the divorced people having Divorce Pride parades, and/or trying to make Pastor’s marry them if they want to re-marry.

Adultery is wrong but I don’t see adulterers having Adultery Pride parades. Taking out ads or getting on TV, bragging that they cheated on their spouse. I may be wrong but that’s the way I see it.

I don’t hate Gays or Christians. No matter if we agree with one another or not, we have a right to our opinion & if I have a business, no one should be able to make me sell anyone a cake if I don’t want to. If a Pedophile comes into my business & tells me he wants to buy a cookie to entice a child into his car, should I be sued because I refused to sell him a cookie? No difference.  

Christians have just as many rights as a Homosexual, it’s all about how you use those rights.

Get angry if you want, tell me I'm stupid in my opinions, that's your right but I have rights too & giving my opinion is not forcing you to my way of thinking.

I don't think I've ever seen a picture of a man supposedly from 'bible days' wearing pants.

I have no idea why people have the idea that Jesus, while on this earth, wore clothing that looked like a dress. I suppose it’s the pictures we’ve all seen.

For those that believe in the Bible, historical record proves that men in the ancient Middle East wore pants. The Bible uses the word “breeches” to refer to pants, & the way of spelling it now is britches.

There’s many scriptures that refer to pants, (breeches). One scripture referring to pants is in Exodus, “And thou shalt make them linen breeches to cover their nakedness; from the loins even unto the thighs they shall reach.”

Wonder why they don't picture them with pants.

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Exodus 28:42 Thou shalt make also linen breeches, to cover the flesh of their nakedness from the reins to the thighs:

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Exodus 39:27 And linen breeches of fine linen:

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Leviticus 6:10 The priest shall be vested with the tunick and the linen breeches, and he shall take up the ashes of that which the devouring fire hath burnt, and putting them beside the altar,

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Leviticus 16:4 He shall be vested with a linen tunick, he shall cover his nakedness with linen breeches: he shall be girded with a linen girdle, and he shall put a linen mitre upon his head: for these are holy vestments: all which he shall put on, after he is washed.

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Ecclesiasticus 45:10 He put upon him a garment to the feet, and breeches, and as ephod, and he compassed him with many little bells of gold all round about,

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Ezechiel (Ezeckiel) 44:18 They shall have linen mitres on their heads, and linen breeches on their loins, and they shall not be girded with any thing that causeth sweat.

http://jesus-is-savior.com/Evi...o/pants_on_women.htm

I believe they were mainly an under garment.

Read somewhere they were only worn by men who rode horses. I guess we won't ever really know, but again, in the pics the men and women were, for the most part, dressed alike.

Exactly what do I "pick and choose"?  Like the baker in Oregon, I would be happy to make a cake for a homosexual, I'm just not going to participate in any gay marriage in any way.  That is not picking and choosing, that is just doing what I believe.

CNX88 pretty much summed up how Christians really think and it in no way represents the canned liberal reasons.

This borders on insanity. There have been homosexuals since time began. In some cultures they were revered. Did 'ancient' homosexuals decide to be gay to tee off their parents or 'shock' society? Good gosh. The idea of homosexuals having sex upsets you? Why? They do nothing so called straight people don't do, and I'm sure some aren't as perverted as some straight people. Who else upsets you? Does the idea of  ugly people having sex upset you? How about people you just can't stand? Why even think about it? It has no affect on you. I don't go along with the bible being used against people, but if you don't homosexuals, and feel they are sinning and going to hell, why do you deal with other sinners???  Women don't seem to have as much of a problem with gay people as men, and if you watch people you will see plenty of men, when a half naked woman walks by, and she can be a known **** or a lesbian, wink at each other, grin, make remarks. "They'd hit that".  Let a man they perceive as, or know to be gay walk by and they'll frown, make all sorts of comments, and some even go into that religious mode. Double standard and freaking hypocrites!!