Your hatred of Al Gore must have prevented you from listening to his predictions.

Southeast to be slightly cooler and wetter than usual

West to be hotter and dryer than usual.

Exactly what we are getting now.

And BTW, the North Pole is now , for the second year in a row, and for the first time in recorded history , a lake.

 

I have to say if Al Gore truly believed in the harm of man made global warming he would change his ways like he want us to.  He flies around in private jets and has several homes one over 10000 sf and the other "think he lost it in the divorce" a 9 million dollar estate in CA. When he is living in a average 3br 3 ba home and flying on the airlines like the rest of us to save the environment I will take notice. Sadly like most of our elected officials demos and repubs they want the rules only to apply to us. 

seeweed, mankind does not cause the earth to warm no more than it causes it to cool. If warming was caused by our coal plants, freon, auto exhaust, etc., how do you explain the warming trends between previous ice ages??? Walk outside and look up. See that giant, bright ball of burning gas? That is called the Sun, it is the star that provides heat energy to our solar system. Al Gore is an idiot, he did not invent the internet, although he did invent man made global warming and has become stinking rich because of gullible liberals and other misinformed individuals such as you.

The sun is the main energy source affecting our temperatures, I'm not disputing that.

What you're denying is that it's necessary to consider several other factors (including greenhouse gases, reflectivity of the surface, earth's orbit, and the tilt of earth's axis) to predict what the temperature will be. Two of those we actually have some small influence on, and for at least one of those two we have a measurable impact.

I'm not one of those alarmists screaming that we're going to wipe out civilization within the next generation, but at the same time anyone who claims we can't have any effect is just burying their head in the sand.

Bushmaster, which planet do you plan to move to after this one becomes unsuitable ? Maybe we need to start signing up ?

In the end, the Earth will be ok. It may kick us off as it has done so many species in the past, but Earth will remain, rebuild, and replenish itself, possibly with a more intelligent species that will not cut down all the rain forest, and pump poisons into our rivers and atmosphere.

Aeneas, you are almost right about one thing-we have some small influence on two factors. Insignificant would be the correct term. Now if we could figure out how to prevent volcanic erruptions, we might could help out old Mother Earth a little more.

Seeweed, what do you want to do next, ban oxygen?

Originally Posted by Bush Master:

Aeneas, you are almost right about one thing-we have some small influence on two factors. Insignificant would be the correct term. Now if we could figure out how to prevent volcanic erruptions, we might could help out old Mother Earth a little more.

Seeweed, what do you want to do next, ban oxygen?

An old prayer:

"Lord give me the strength to change the things I can, the ability to accept the things I cannot, and the wisdom to know the difference"

We can't do much about volcanoes , but we can change some other ways we are destroying ourselves , quit cutting down the rain forest - or in this country quit clear cutting, and manage our forest in a sustainable way (and we do have some rain forest in this country), and start the phaseout of heavy dependence on fossil fuels, primarily coal.

In case you missed it :

http://www.timesdaily.com/arch...4c-892fcc5860ad.html

 

And your last question was an insult to anyone with the ability to think. I'm sorry you don't seem to fit that category.

The 16 year stall was  not predicted in the 20 or so computer models.  Great Britain is supposed to be under water by now.  Didn't see little prince George with gills and flippers.

 

Nor, have I read of an explanation why other planets had global warming at the same time.  Firengis?

If one examines proxies for solar radiance (Mankind has not been able to measure directly the amount of sunlight the earth receives until recent times.), one can see that probably the primary reason for the warming temperatures is the sun.

 

First of all, there is sunspot activity:

  http://www.aip.org/history/climate/xsolar.htm.

 

Then there are radioactive isotopes that are produce in the upper atmosphere like Carbon-14:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F..._activity_labels.svg

 

That said, perhaps mankind has been effecting the climate at the fringes. CO2 might be a greenhouse gas, but so is water vapor which has a stronger effect. We might be worrying about the wrong component coming out of our exhaust pipes and all those dams and irrigation projects in deserts might be of more concern.

Conservative rightwing teebeggers have never understood the need for scientific inquiry. Global warming is a subject to them that has some connection with abortion and their horror for sex. They remind me of a herd of cows in a field. They just point their azzes in one direction and gaze in the opposite. If ask why they simply look around and bawl at the gallery.

QD, it seems to me that you are the one that is ignoring scientific evidence.

Also, modesty is not the same as being afraid of sex. But when your idols are the likes of Bill Clinton, Anthony Weiner, Eliot Spitzer, John Edwards, etc., I guess you just have a bit of sexual deviance in you.

p.s. Don't laugh so hard at your poor attempt at humor, it wasn't that funny.

 

Originally Posted by Bush Master:

Aeneas, you are almost right about one thing-we have some small influence on two factors. Insignificant would be the correct term. Now if we could figure out how to prevent volcanic erruptions, we might could help out old Mother Earth a little more.

Seeweed, what do you want to do next, ban oxygen?

 

"Insignificant" is pretty far from the truth. The energy input from the sun is why the temperature is typically around 290K instead of absolute zero. Our CO2 output from oil use alone accounts for a tiny fraction of the total amount of CO2 in the atmosphere, but that's enough to shift global temperatures by a couple of degrees.

 

Yes, I'm aware that water is also an important greenhouse gas, but saying it makes the CO2 irrelevant is like saying it's useless to roll down your car windows on a summer day because the roof is holding in more heat.

Originally Posted by POPEYE:

QD, it seems to me that you are the one that is ignoring scientific evidence.

Also, modesty is not the same as being afraid of sex. But when your idols are the likes of Bill Clinton, Anthony Weiner, Eliot Spitzer, John Edwards, etc., I guess you just have a bit of sexual deviance in you.

p.s. Don't laugh so hard at your poor attempt at humor, it wasn't that funny.

POP I know more about science than Albert Einstein. lol

I like women if that is what you mean by "deviant".  you pubs might ought to try it. lol 

Global warming is happening.  Don't listen to fox or cnn, look up the heating and cooling degree days for the last 20 years.  It shows a warming trend.  It does not  tell what is causing it.  

Something else, Al Gore did not say "I invented the internet"  If you maintain that he did, you are just another case of fox brain washing.  Do some independent research, find out what he said.

http://www.drroyspencer.com/

 

Senate EPW Hearing: “Climate Change: It’s Happened Before”

<small>July 19th, 2013 </small>

OK, so yesterday’s hearing really was entitled, “Climate Change: It’s Happening Now”.  I like my title better. 

In this exceedingly rare photo of me actually cracking a smile, note my subliminal shout out to the “Coke” brothers (whom I’ve never met, btw…I don’t even know what they do): Spencer-EPW-testimony-7-18-2013

From the opening remarks made by the Democrats on the Environment and Public Works (EPW) Committee, apparently you can see climate change yourself just by looking in your backyard, or seeing how far from s**** fishermen must go now to catch fish, or even (help me with the logic on this one) the fact that smoking causes cancer.

I just submitted my updated written testimony (Spencer_EPW_Written_Testimony_7_18_2013_updated) to include the following chart (Click for full size): 2000-yr-temperature-variations

This chart illustrates that, yes, we are currently warm, but not significantly warmer than the Medieval Warm Period (MWP) or the Roman Warm Period (RWP).  So how is it we know today’s warmth is human-caused, when the last two warm periods couldn’t have been caused by humans? Hmmm? 

And if you want to hit me with a Hockey Stick, might I remind you that there are many more papers supporting the MWP and RWP than there are supporting the Hockey Stick’s slick revision of history?

Or does “consensus” only count when it supports your side?

What’s that you say? The hockey stick is now the “new consensus”?  So a scientific consensus can be wrong, after all? Hmmm.

Who Dares to Deny Arctic Warming?

<small>June 17th, 2013 </small>

polar-bear-heat A polar bear which collapsed from heat exhaustion before it could be shot.

I have in my possession a copy of one of the most authoritative books ever written on Arctic sea ice, including a section on the warming of the Arctic.  It is written by one of the pioneering researchers in Arctic sea ice, N.N Zubov, a Russian, who spent his career studying the Arctic region.

His observations of warming in the Arctic, which he described as not localized, but universal, are taken from his book entitled Arctic Ice.  I have excerpted several pertinent passages, which I’m sure will convince you that warming of the Arctic can scarcely be denied:

Along with the fluctuations in ice abundance in each individual sea from year to year, in late years a most interesting phenomenon has been observed – a warming of the Arctic, as evidence by a gradual and universal decrease in ice abundance.  The main evidence of this general warming of the Arctic are:

1. Receding of glaciers and “melting away” of islands….all the Greenland glaciers which descend into Northeast Bay and Disko Bay have been receding since approximately the beginning of the century.  On Franz Joseph Land during recent years several islands have appeared as if broken in two. It turned out they had been connected up to that time by ice bridges.  …I noted a great decrease in the size of (Jan Mayan and Spitzbergen) glaciers. Ahlman terms the rapid receding of the Spitzbergen glaciers “catastrophic”.

2. Rise of air temperature. (Over the last 20 years) the average temperature of the winter months has steadily increased…(in the last 10 years) in the whole Arctic sector from Greenland to Cape Chelyuskin there has not been a single (negative) anomaly of average annual and monthly winter temperatures, while the positive anomalies have been very high….

3. Rise in temperature of Atlantic water which enters the Arctic Basin…the temperature of surface water and of Gulf Stream water has steadily risen…

4. Decrease in ice abundance….15% to 20% (over 20 years)….In earlier times, polar ice often approached the s****s of Iceland and interfered with fishing and navigation. For the past 25 years ice has not appeared in significant quantities.

5. Increase in speed of drift ice.

6. Change in cyclone routes.  There is no doubt that the increase in air temperatures, increase in Atlantic water temperatures, intensification of ice drift, etc., are closely connected with an intensification of atmospheric circulation, and in particular with a change in cyclonic activity at high latitudes.  Vize shows that Atlantic cyclones are now shifting considerably north, by several hundred km, from their courses in the period before the warming of the Arctic. 

7. Biological signs of warming of the Arctic. …fish have ranged further and further to the north…cod in large quantities have appeared along the s****s of Spitzbergen and Novaya Zemlya…also mackerel, dolphin where formerly were not found…during recent years fishing has gradually shifted into the Arctic waters, and this unquestionably must be ascribed in considerable degree to the warming of these waters….many heat-loving bottom organisms are now found in regions these organisms were not found (30 years ago).  Knipovich says: “ In a matter of fifteen years…there occurred a change…such as is usually associated with long geological intervals”.

8. Ship navigation. …a number of ship voyages (were made) which could hardly have been accomplished in the preceding cold period.

Still more remarkable is the fact that the warming of the Arctic is not confined to any particular region.

I find these observations to be quite compelling evidence that warming of the Arctic is indeed unprecedented.  Who would dare deny it?  Clearly, we must do something about our carbon dioxide emissions!!

NOTE: Oh, silly me. This book was written in the late 1930′s. Nevermind.

Mr Hooberbloob,  at the bottom of your first post there is a statement  that says "A new reconstruction of temperature variability in the extra-tropical northern hemisphere during the last two millennia.  What year did the thermometer get invented?

As for the second post, it's real good to have modern information for posting.

Originally Posted by jtdavis:

Mr Hooberbloob,  at the bottom of your first post there is a statement  that says "A new reconstruction of temperature variability in the extra-tropical northern hemisphere during the last two millennia.  What year did the thermometer get invented?

As for the second post, it's real good to have modern information for posting.

There are many other indicators as to temps from the past (hint: it involves ice).  Research it for yourself.

How's those computer models the "warmers" are using to spread fear doing these days?  Are they up to 1% accurate yet?

Originally Posted by jtdavis:

Mr Hooberbloob,  at the bottom of your first post there is a statement  that says "A new reconstruction of temperature variability in the extra-tropical northern hemisphere during the last two millennia.  What year did the thermometer get invented?

As for the second post, it's real good to have modern information for posting.

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So, how did the warmists come up with their estimates using data before the 1700s?

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