Hi Vic,
Given what you have written, will you go to heaven or to purgatory? If purgatory, how long will you have to stay there?
If I die with minor sins on my soul, I will go to Purgatory for a short
period of time.
Matt 5: 26
Christ is condemning sin and speaks of liberation only after expiation.
"Amen, I say to you, you will not be released until you have paid
the last penny."
The last Pope who died, is he is purgatory? A Cardinal was quoted in New York saying that the Pope does not even know if he is saved. How can that be? And, if the Pope is in purgatory, does this mean that ALL Roman Catholics MUST go to purgatory and not to heaven? Are they all still there -- or have some been promoted.
Do you speak like a spoiled five yr. old because it makes you sound tough?
Any pope could be in Purgatory. Forget the Pope, your personal salvation is
between you and God, as is the Popes salvation.
Phil 2: 12 - Wherefore, my dearly beloved, (as you have always obeyed,
not as in my presence only, but much more now in my absence,) with fear
and trembling work out your salvation.
What did the apostle Paul mean when he wrote, in 2 Corinthians 5:7-8. "For we walk by faith, not by sight -- we are of good courage, I say, andprefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord."
I'll finish this for you-----2 Cor 5: 10
[10] "For we must all be manifested before the judgement seat of Christ,
that every one may receive the proper things of the body, according as he
hath done, whether it be good or evil."
The proper things of the body: In the particular judgment, immediately after
death, the soul is rewarded or punished according to what it has done
in the body.
How is it that the apostle Paul tells us we can leave this body and be at home with the Lord -- yet, you say we cannot, that first everyone MUST go to purgatory? And, since Paul said this -- why is the Pope in purgatory?
NO one said ( read above) everyone must go to Purgatory, Paul didn't lie,
you did!----Why is the Pope in Purgatory? I didn't say he was, your five yr. old
fear said that, he could be there.
God doesn't cover sin, a covered sin is still sin and will not be permitted
to enter Heaven.
Vic, can you see our confusion?
There isn't any confusion, Purgatory has been Biblical before the time of
of Christ. Purgatory isn't a Catholic invention, it's Biblical in both the
old and new testaments.
The earliest extant list of the books of the NT, in exactly the number and
order in which we presently have them, is written by Athanasius,
Bishop of Alexandria, in his Festal letter # 39 of 367 A.D.
In 382 Council of Rome (whereby Pope Damasus started the ball rolling
for the defining of a universal canon for all city-churches). Listed the
New Testament books in their present number and order.
In 1442 At the Council of Florence, the entire Church recognized the
27 books. This council confirmed the Roman Catholic Canon of the Bible
which Pope Damasus I had published a thousand years earlier. All orthodox
branches of the Church were legally bound to the same canon.
iN 1536 -- In his translation of the Bible from Greek into German,
Luther removed 4 N.T. books (Hebrews, James, Jude, and Revelation)
and placed them in an appendix saying they were less than canonical.
Why would he do that when he knew the Holy Spirit guided the
formation and closing of the Bible?
1546 -- At the Council of Trent, the Catholic Church reaffirmed once
and for all the full list of 27 books. The council also confirmed the inclusion
of the Deuterocanonical books which had been a part of the Bible canon
since the early Church and was confirmed at the councils of 393 AD, 373,
787 and 1442 AD. At Trent Rome actually dogmatized the canon, making
it more than a matter of canon law, which had been the case up to that point,
closing it for good.
Bill, your confusion comes from your ignorance of the Bible, what's included
in the Bible.
Moreover, your ignorance of the fact, that you can't pick and choose what
you consider hear say or fact. Even the symbolic is factual in the massage
that's being given
Jesus never said "I was just kidding"
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Bill, could you get back to me on this?
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Bill, have you had enough time to answer this
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OK , this just might be the last time I ask for your
answer, The next time I'll answer for you and then
your answer will be more agreeable
LK 10: 16-18
[16] He that heareth you, heareth me; and he that despiseth you, despiseth me; and he that despiseth me, despiseth him that sent me. [17] And the seventy-two returned with joy, saying: Lord, the devils also are subject to us in thy name. [18] And he said to them: I saw Bill Gray like lightning falling from heaven.
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Bill Gray
Old Faithful
February 28, 2012 2:34 PM
Hi Vic,
There is an amazing "new" book on the market which does give us a lot of knowledge about heaven and hell. Vic, you might want to visit a Christian bookstore and see if you can find a copy. It is called "The Bible" and it has a world, no, a universe, of knowledge in it. It even speaks quite a bit about heaven.
Of course, it does not mention purgatory. But, there is good reason it omits that wee bit of info.
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Bill, I've read the Bible and accepted the teachings the way God meant
them and not the way I feel they should read.
You always ask everyone to prove from the Bible what they say,
but you never ask this of yourself. One word for you-- Letitgo
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Seriously Bill, you need to put on your big girl panties and finish what
you have started with your cowardly innuendos and false statements.
God Bless have a Hunky Dory Day