Social Gospel Theology - OR - Biblical Gospel Theology?

Why have you not chastised the paster of the Methodist church for allowing Hillary to speak? Seems like you would be equally upset with the pastor?????

Hi David,

 

Nice to hear from you.  It has been a while.   My Friend, you may have not understood what the article is telling us.  It is telling us that Hillary spoke at a church event, not at a church service:

 

Speaking recently at a United Methodist Church event, Hillary Rodham Clinton made it clear she especially appreciates the mainline denomination's commitment to the social gospel.

Hillary Clinton talking to UMW, a former U.S. secretary of state and first lady, gave the keynote address Saturday in Louisville, Kentucky, at the quadrennial United Methodist Women's Assembly (UMW).

 

This is similar to when Obama spoke at the Notre Dame University event.

 

The whole point of my post is that Hillary is preaching a Social Gospel Theology -- instead of the Biblical Gospel Theology.   In other words, she is preaching a theology which embraces "works salvation" -- women pastors -- gay marriage, etc.   In other words, she is preaching a theology which embraces society's norms and desires -- instead of a theology based upon the Bible.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

And because this was sanctioned by the United Methodist Church, do you consider the Methodist church a "false church".
I'm asking since I noticed you throwing stones in another thread.

Hi David,

 

Just curious.  Where do you find me "throwing stones"?

 

No, I do not consider the Methodist church to be a false church nor a cult church.  However, that said, some of the Methodists churches do tend to lean more toward Liberal Theology and "works based" salvation.

 

Yet, even within the ranks of the Baptists, what I consider false teaching has heavily seep into many churches.   The Southern Baptist Convention now is probably at least 50% Calvinist.  That I can never accept. 

 

The Cooperative Baptist group (Jimmy Carter's group) broke off of the Southern Baptist some years ago -- because the SBC was not liberal enough for them.   They not only support gay marriage, but also women pastors, and many of society's liberal views.

 

I hold to a Conservative Theology and Statement of Faith/Beliefs.   I hold a belief in a PreTribulation Rapture and a PreMillennial Second Coming of Jesus Christ.  And, the churches I have been in over the last 26 years hold  the same beliefs.  

 

I believe that a person who is a pastor/teacher should adhere to Biblical teaching on issues such as the homosexual lifestyle.  Just for reference, here is an excerpt from an article discussing how different Protestant churches view clergy and the homosexual lifestyle:

 

Ordination of LGBT Christian Clergy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O...GBT_Christian_clergy

Moderate and Liberal Protestant denominations Episcopal Polities:

In the United States, the Evangelical Lutheran Church (ELCA) and the Episcopal Church or ECUSA[2] have both approved rules to ordain openly gay or lesbian clergy.

The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America decided in August 2009 to accept gay clergy in sexually active monogamous relationships.[3]   In July 2011 also Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada decided to accept gay clergy in sexually active monogamous relationships.  In 2013, open gay minister Guy Erwin was ordained as bishop in California.

In Scandinavia, the Church of Sweden permits openly gay and lesbian clergy to act as ministers, often in senior positions.  In May 2009 the Diocese of Stockholm elected Eva Brunne as its Bishop-Elect.   Brunne lives in a registered partnership with another woman, who have a son. 

 

Likewise the Danish National Church in Denmark, and the Church of Norway permit the ordination of openly LGBT clergy.   Also Evangelical Lutheran Church of Finland and Church of Iceland permit the ordination of openly LGBT clergy.

In Germany, the Lutheran, United and Reformed churches as part of the Evangelical Church ordain openly LGBT Christian clergy.[4][5].   In 2008, the North Elbian Evangelical Lutheran Church announced with Horst Gorski has been nominated as a Lutheran bishop, but did not make election.[6] 

 

Presbyterian Polities:

In the United States, the Presbyterian Church has approved rules to ordain openly gay or lesbian clergy.[7]   In 2012, Katie Ricks became the first open lesbian to be ordained in the church.[8]

The Church of Scotland discussed the issue at its 2009 General Assembly.   This was in response to the induction of openly gay minister Rev. Scott Rennie, to serve at Queen's Cross Church, Aberdeen.   The outcome was agreement that the induction, which had triggered the debate, should go ahead, but that no further such cases should be permitted until a commission on the subject has reported in 2011.

 

In 2011, Church of Scotland voted at its 2011 General Assembly to allow open gay and lesbian ministers who live in civil unions.[9]   On May 20, 2013, the General Assembly of the Kirk approved a proposal to allow gay ministers. Parishes will be able to 'opt out' of this new policy.[10]

 

Connexional Polities;

The United Methodist Church has also been discussing the issue for many years, but its official position continues to deny ordination to "Self-Avowed Practicing Homosexuals."   In theory, a homosexual who is celibate is a fit candidate for ordination within the United Methodist Church, but in practice this rarely happens.

 

So, as you can see, the Methodist church, while still liberal in may aspects -- is still to the right of those churches who ordain homosexuals as clergy.

 

No, I do not say that these churches are cults -- but, they will have to answer to Jesus Christ about why they throw out Biblical teachings and, in their place, insert a Secular Society's teachings and desires.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Hi David,

 

In an earlier post, you tell me, "I'm asking since I noticed you throwing stones in another thread."

 

I am still curious.  Where do you find me "throwing stones"?   And, what do you consider to be "throwing stones"?

 

Is it throwing stones when I refute an unBiblical teaching?

 

Is it throwing stones when I refute a doctrine or tradition not found in the Bible?

 

Is it throwing stones when I tell an agnostic that, not me, but she herself -- is condemning her to eternal life void of the presence of God?

 

Seriously, David, just what constitutes "throwing stones" in your thinking?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

I still am interested to know what you consider to be "throwing stones."

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Hi David,

 

I still am interested to know what you consider to be "throwing stones."

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

shameless bump of your posts. this is getting pitiful and i wish you'd stop.

Hi all,

 

Love it, love it -- when I upset the atheists!   That means I MUST be doing something right!   Thank you, Lord!

 

Bless his Crashed little heart!

 

Bill

Why is this in the religion forum?

Some "Social Gospel" from Jesus:

 

Matthew 25:

 

31 But when the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the angels with him, then shall he sit on the throne of his glory:

32 and before him shall be gathered all the nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as the shepherd separateth the sheep from the goats;

33 and he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 for I was hungry, and ye gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink; I was a stranger, and ye took me in;

36 naked, and ye clothed me; I was sick, and ye visited me; I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee hungry, and fed thee? or athirst, and gave thee drink?

38 And when saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 And when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it unto one of these my brethren, even these least, ye did it unto me.

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 for I was hungry, and ye did not give me to eat; I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink;

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in; naked, and ye clothed me not; sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer, saying, Lord, when saw we thee hungry, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not unto one of these least, ye did it not unto me.

46 And these shall go away into eternal punishment: but the righteous into eternal life.

Contendah, my Friend,

 

Thank you!  You have posted the Scripture passage which describes the Sheep and Goat Judgment.  That is when Christ returns at His Second Coming, after the seven year Tribulation which is described in Revelation 6 through 18.

 

During that seven years, the church which has been raptured into heaven before the Tribulation and given our immortal bodies -- will stand before Christ at the Believers' Judgment (Bema Seat) to receive our rewards, one of those rewards being our robes of "fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints" (Revelation 19:8).

 

Then, we will receive our robes of fine linen, i.e., our own righteousness. You see, when we were saved on earth, we were covered by the righteousness of Jesus Christ - since we had no righteousness in our mortal bodies.  At the Believers' Judgment we will forevermore be covered by our own righteousness and be able enter into the presence of God in our own righteousness.

 

After the Wedding Feast of the Lamb, when we, the church, wed our Bride Groom, Jesus Christ, wearing the fine linen robes of righteousness we received at the Believers' Judgment (Revelation 19:6-9) -- we will return with Him at His Second Coming.

 

After that Second Coming -- Christ will sit in judgment of all who have survived the seven year Tribulation, i.e., the Sheep (believers) and Goats (non-believers). 

 

At this judgment seat, Christ will say to His sheep:  

 

Matthew 25:34, "Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:"

 

And, He will pass judgment on the Goats:

 

Matthew 25:46, "And these shall go away into eternal punishment: but the righteous into eternal life."

 

Contendah, which group will you and your legalistic church be in?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

 

Even for you, that comment surprises me.   But, then I suppose for a person who does not recognize the Bible as God's Word -- such words as Gospel, theology, Methodist, Biblical, etc., do not belong on the Religion Forum.  

 

Heaven help those who just will not see!

 

Bless your heart!

 

Bill

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