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"support the troops but not the mission.."
Hmmm...I wonder if we could have defeated Germany and Japan with that attitude some 65 years ago....Me thinks not.
As a U.S. soldier on active duty, I do NOT buy that "support the troops but not the mission".
Neither do I want the support of the Leftists, who get their support from diverse groups in areas such as: Communists, Marxists, Environmental Wacko groups, peaceniks, criminal alien supporters, etc.
Hmmm...I wonder if we could have defeated Germany and Japan with that attitude some 65 years ago....Me thinks not.
As a U.S. soldier on active duty, I do NOT buy that "support the troops but not the mission".
Neither do I want the support of the Leftists, who get their support from diverse groups in areas such as: Communists, Marxists, Environmental Wacko groups, peaceniks, criminal alien supporters, etc.
I was being a little sarcastic with the title. The demonstrators are in fact burring a American soldier in effigy and a flag.
Defeating Germany and Japan were WAY different back then. Japan bombed us, killed us, and we had no choice... we did not invade Germany until after the millions of Jews were already dead...
Comparing apples to oranges...
I think that most Americans are now seeing the light, that there is no way to win in Iraq, because HOW in the world can you win any war that is not yours??? It is impossible.
BIN LADEN is where we need to be focused, HE is the one who caused 9/11... THAT is what we need to be persueing... and if that were the case, you would see the numbers flip-flop and all the Americans would back THAT endeavor!!!!
Comparing apples to oranges...
I think that most Americans are now seeing the light, that there is no way to win in Iraq, because HOW in the world can you win any war that is not yours??? It is impossible.
BIN LADEN is where we need to be focused, HE is the one who caused 9/11... THAT is what we need to be persueing... and if that were the case, you would see the numbers flip-flop and all the Americans would back THAT endeavor!!!!
quote:I think that most Americans are now seeing the light, that there is no way to win in Iraq
Unfortunately people like you have convinced a majority of Americans this is the case. We win every engagement except at home.
quote:Originally posted by Phoenix Rising:
I was being a little sarcastic with the title. The demonstrators are in fact burring a American soldier in effigy and a flag.
I couldn't open it earlier, but I did see that on Drudge Report earlier today.
That is precisely why I do not buy the left's "support the troops, not the mission" crap. They just exposed themselves to their lie.
quote:Originally posted by Phoenix Rising:quote:I think that most Americans are now seeing the light, that there is no way to win in Iraq
Unfortunately people like you have convinced a majority of Americans this is the case. We win every engagement except at home.
Pray tell me just how "I" can convince over 75% of this country that we need to seek out Bin Ladin instead of running over to Iraq on a monkey chase... you don't think that American's can think for themselves??? I think that you are thinking all this backwards... you are thinking that everyone SHOULD agree with you, and since the VAST majority does not, you think people like me who get on the internet a couple of time a day are the reason that over 75% have their mindset!!! Wow...
Of course they can, and they do... and I have nothing to do with it, but I do say what I think, and I say it when I want to, that is MY right as an AMERICAN....
quote:Japan bombed us, killed us, and we had no choice... we did not invade Germany until after the millions of Jews were already dead...
Wrong, the US entered the war before the mass extermination of Jews.
The US declared war on Japan the day after Pearl Harbor. On Dec 11, 1941 Germany and Italy responded by declaring war on the US. US forces first arrived in Great Brittan in late January of 1942. Germans didn't start mass exterminating with gas chambers until the summer of that year, after the US was already involved.
The US did not go into Germany to free the Jews, no one really knew about what was happening until after Germany was defeated and GI's began finding the concentration camps. Germany was in league with Japan as part of the Axis powers, so to fight one meant we had to fight them all.
Americans got behind the troops, dealt with rationing, shortage of supplies, and a large number of men being drafted. The casualty numbers were much higher and the burden that Americans at home had to bear was much greater. Yet, the country realized what had to be done and pulled together to make it happen. With political correctness and radical leftism, that can never happen today.
Great response NashBama!
quote:Pray tell me just how "I" can convince over 75% of this country that we need to seek out Bin Ladin instead of running over to Iraq on a monkey chase... you don't think that American's can think for themselves??? I think that you are thinking all this backwards... you are thinking that everyone SHOULD agree with you, and since the VAST majority does not, you think people like me who get on the internet a couple of time a day are the reason that over 75% have their mindset!!! Wow... Confused
Of course they can, and they do... and I have nothing to do with it, but I do say what I think, and I say it when I want to, that is MY right as an AMERICAN....
Media and people like you exploit every setback and car bombing, ignore anything positive, claim defeat before the war is over, and frankly use the war for political means. So many like you just want to damage the current administration that a a defeat in Iraq is a victory for your cause.
If this were a democrats war it would have been over by now because 60% of the battle has been at home with people who want to use this war to bring down an administration.
Americans have gone soft...they get tired of getting death and destruction thrown at them everyday by the news media..back in WWII it sometimes takes days or weeks to get news back to the population so they didn't see the pictures like we do now.
Although each loss of life is tragic we need to get some thick skin and deal with it..its war and people are going to Die. If our news will start reporting the good stuff equally than the bleeding hearts of this country will get behind the mission.
This veteran, Son of a Veteran, and a Father of a Iraqi Marine Veteran knows that soldiers don't like war but they do it out of honor, duty, commitment, and that what they are doing is just. They sacrifice everything for the bleeding hearts and all they ask is for your support in them and in their cause.
Although each loss of life is tragic we need to get some thick skin and deal with it..its war and people are going to Die. If our news will start reporting the good stuff equally than the bleeding hearts of this country will get behind the mission.
This veteran, Son of a Veteran, and a Father of a Iraqi Marine Veteran knows that soldiers don't like war but they do it out of honor, duty, commitment, and that what they are doing is just. They sacrifice everything for the bleeding hearts and all they ask is for your support in them and in their cause.
quote:Originally posted by Phoenix Rising:quote:Pray tell me just how "I" can convince over 75% of this country that we need to seek out Bin Ladin instead of running over to Iraq on a monkey chase... you don't think that American's can think for themselves??? I think that you are thinking all this backwards... you are thinking that everyone SHOULD agree with you, and since the VAST majority does not, you think people like me who get on the internet a couple of time a day are the reason that over 75% have their mindset!!! Wow... Confused
Of course they can, and they do... and I have nothing to do with it, but I do say what I think, and I say it when I want to, that is MY right as an AMERICAN....
Media and people like you exploit every setback and car bombing, ignore anything positive, claim defeat before the war is over, and frankly use the war for political means. So many like you just want to damage the current administration that a a defeat in Iraq is a victory for your cause.
If this were a democrats war it would have been over by now because 60% of the battle has been at home with people who want to use this war to bring down an administration.
Wow, I didn't realize how much power I had... Thanks for telling me!!!
And, by the way, I am NOT a registered Democrat, and have voted Republican more times than not... I just didn't vote for Bush, I knew he was not what we needed from the first moment. But that is just MY take. I work with a LOT of people who DID vote for Bush and regret it so much right now.
quote:Originally posted by Phoenix Rising:quote:Pray tell me just how "I" can convince over 75% of this country that we need to seek out Bin Ladin instead of running over to Iraq on a monkey chase... you don't think that American's can think for themselves??? I think that you are thinking all this backwards... you are thinking that everyone SHOULD agree with you, and since the VAST majority does not, you think people like me who get on the internet a couple of time a day are the reason that over 75% have their mindset!!! Wow... Confused
Of course they can, and they do... and I have nothing to do with it, but I do say what I think, and I say it when I want to, that is MY right as an AMERICAN....
Media and people like you exploit every setback and car bombing, ignore anything positive, claim defeat before the war is over, and frankly use the war for political means. So many like you just want to damage the current administration that a a defeat in Iraq is a victory for your cause.
If this were a democrats war it would have been over by now because 60% of the battle has been at home with people who want to use this war to bring down an administration.
I agree whole-heartedly that the media has helped us lose in this battle. I am proud to be in the minority that supports our troops and think they are doing a great job--regardles of the task at hand. I'll be in that minority any day of the week!
quote:Originally posted by stephanie:quote:Originally posted by Phoenix Rising:quote:Pray tell me just how "I" can convince over 75% of this country that we need to seek out Bin Ladin instead of running over to Iraq on a monkey chase... you don't think that American's can think for themselves??? I think that you are thinking all this backwards... you are thinking that everyone SHOULD agree with you, and since the VAST majority does not, you think people like me who get on the internet a couple of time a day are the reason that over 75% have their mindset!!! Wow... Confused
Of course they can, and they do... and I have nothing to do with it, but I do say what I think, and I say it when I want to, that is MY right as an AMERICAN....
Media and people like you exploit every setback and car bombing, ignore anything positive, claim defeat before the war is over, and frankly use the war for political means. So many like you just want to damage the current administration that a a defeat in Iraq is a victory for your cause.
If this were a democrats war it would have been over by now because 60% of the battle has been at home with people who want to use this war to bring down an administration.
I agree whole-heartedly that the media has helped us lose in this battle. I am proud to be in the minority that supports our troops and think they are doing a great job--regardles of the task at hand. I'll be in that minority any day of the week!
Oh I support the Troops, 100%, just ask any one of them I email on a regular basis... thing is how can I support the CAUSE when even Bush doesn't know what that is, he has changed the CAUSE at least 6 times already... I am wondering what the cause is TODAY???
quote:Originally posted by Schnauzer:
Americans have gone soft...they get tired of getting death and destruction thrown at them everyday by the news media..back in WWII it sometimes takes days or weeks to get news back to the population so they didn't see the pictures like we do now.
Although each loss of life is tragic we need to get some thick skin and deal with it..its war and people are going to Die. If our news will start reporting the good stuff equally than the bleeding hearts of this country will get behind the mission.
This veteran, Son of a Veteran, and a Father of a Iraqi Marine Veteran knows that soldiers don't like war but they do it out of honor, duty, commitment, and that what they are doing is just. They sacrifice everything for the bleeding hearts and all they ask is for your support in them and in their cause.
i know you and others don't hear this enough -- THANK YOU ... thank you for supporting your family when your dad served, thank you for your services, and thank you for teaching your son well and supporting him in his time of service -- THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU
B-man
We defeated Germany and Japan because we went to WAR against them. We didn't just bomb the important military infastructure, and then go in and try to poliece the mess. We bombed their cities , and finished up with heavy artillary, and then sent in the troops to finish.
We are NOT in a declared war against Iraq. If it were, we would carpet bomb their cities- kill children dogs and women- until they couldn't stand the whold thing any more. This thing could be wound up in a few weeks.
Can't compare WAR with Police Action.
Now, as far as all this cr*p about support of troops but not the mission. What exactally does that mean? Putting little yellow ribbon magnets all over my car? Is that what it is? This whole idea came out of the politics of Vietnam. THose who protested the war, were accused of "not supporting the troops". Well, horsehockey! Every patrotic citizen supports the troops in that we want them to have proper supplies, and wants them to come home in 1 part. On the other side, this "mission" in Iraq, does not have to have support.
Those who genuflect and make the sign of the cross at the mear mention of Bush, try to make out that if we do not support Bush, and his stated mission of the day , then somehow that should translate into hatred of our country. These are the same lies Hitler used to control Germany.
Those of us who love our country want the best for our country, whether it be Bush's or not.
This war in Iraq is NOT in the best interest of our country. We should either level the cities where we are having trouble , or get out. Since my opinion is that we are in Iraq for American control of Iraq oil, it is not a morally justifiable war, and therefore we should just get out.
I oppose this action in Iraq for the same reason I supported the 1st one. A soverign nation has without provication , been invaded by another nation. My position is consistant.
We defeated Germany and Japan because we went to WAR against them. We didn't just bomb the important military infastructure, and then go in and try to poliece the mess. We bombed their cities , and finished up with heavy artillary, and then sent in the troops to finish.
We are NOT in a declared war against Iraq. If it were, we would carpet bomb their cities- kill children dogs and women- until they couldn't stand the whold thing any more. This thing could be wound up in a few weeks.
Can't compare WAR with Police Action.
Now, as far as all this cr*p about support of troops but not the mission. What exactally does that mean? Putting little yellow ribbon magnets all over my car? Is that what it is? This whole idea came out of the politics of Vietnam. THose who protested the war, were accused of "not supporting the troops". Well, horsehockey! Every patrotic citizen supports the troops in that we want them to have proper supplies, and wants them to come home in 1 part. On the other side, this "mission" in Iraq, does not have to have support.
Those who genuflect and make the sign of the cross at the mear mention of Bush, try to make out that if we do not support Bush, and his stated mission of the day , then somehow that should translate into hatred of our country. These are the same lies Hitler used to control Germany.
Those of us who love our country want the best for our country, whether it be Bush's or not.
This war in Iraq is NOT in the best interest of our country. We should either level the cities where we are having trouble , or get out. Since my opinion is that we are in Iraq for American control of Iraq oil, it is not a morally justifiable war, and therefore we should just get out.
I oppose this action in Iraq for the same reason I supported the 1st one. A soverign nation has without provication , been invaded by another nation. My position is consistant.
quote:Originally posted by excelman:
B-man
We defeated Germany and Japan because we went to WAR against them. We didn't just bomb the important military infastructure, and then go in and try to poliece the mess. We bombed their cities , and finished up with heavy artillary, and then sent in the troops to finish.
We are NOT in a declared war against Iraq. If it were, we would carpet bomb their cities- kill children dogs and women- until they couldn't stand the whold thing any more. This thing could be wound up in a few weeks.
Can't compare WAR with Police Action.
Now, as far as all this cr*p about support of troops but not the mission. This whole idea came out of the politics of Vietnam. THose who protested the war, were accused of "not supporting the troops". Well, horsehockey! Every patrotic citizen supports the troops in that we want them to have proper supplies, and wants them to come home in 1 part. On the other side, this "mission" in Iraq, does not have to have support.
Those who genuflect and make the sign of the cross at the mear mention of Bush, try to make out that if we do not support Bush, and his stated mission of the day , then somehow that should translate into hatred of our country. These are the same lies Hitler used to control Germany.
Those of us who love our country want the best for our country, whether it be Bush's or not.
This war in Iraq is NOT in the best interest of our country. We should either level the cities where we are having trouble , or get out. Since my opinion is that we are in Iraq for American control of Iraq oil, it is not a morally justifiable war, and therefore we should just get out.
I oppose this action in Iraq for the same reason I supported the 1st one. A soverign nation has without provication , been invaded by another nation. My position is consistant.
I would have to disagree with your statement about WW2. We did exactly what you say we didn't do. We did bomb ALL of their important military infastructure (most of it was IN the cities). We then policed the mess. Why do you think we were in Germany and Japan so long after the war.
quote:Originally posted by Southern Patriot:quote:Originally posted by excelman:
B-man
We defeated Germany and Japan because we went to WAR against them. We didn't just bomb the important military infastructure, and then go in and try to poliece the mess. We bombed their cities , and finished up with heavy artillary, and then sent in the troops to finish.
We are NOT in a declared war against Iraq. If it were, we would carpet bomb their cities- kill children dogs and women- until they couldn't stand the whold thing any more. This thing could be wound up in a few weeks.
Can't compare WAR with Police Action.
Now, as far as all this cr*p about support of troops but not the mission. This whole idea came out of the politics of Vietnam. THose who protested the war, were accused of "not supporting the troops". Well, horsehockey! Every patrotic citizen supports the troops in that we want them to have proper supplies, and wants them to come home in 1 part. On the other side, this "mission" in Iraq, does not have to have support.
Those who genuflect and make the sign of the cross at the mear mention of Bush, try to make out that if we do not support Bush, and his stated mission of the day , then somehow that should translate into hatred of our country. These are the same lies Hitler used to control Germany.
Those of us who love our country want the best for our country, whether it be Bush's or not.
This war in Iraq is NOT in the best interest of our country. We should either level the cities where we are having trouble , or get out. Since my opinion is that we are in Iraq for American control of Iraq oil, it is not a morally justifiable war, and therefore we should just get out.
I oppose this action in Iraq for the same reason I supported the 1st one. A soverign nation has without provication , been invaded by another nation. My position is consistant.
I would have to disagree with your statement about WW2. We did exactly what you say we didn't do. We did bomb ALL of their important military infastructure (most of it was IN the cities). We then policed the mess. Why do you think we were in Germany and Japan so long after the war.
What I was trying to get at is that in Iraq we pretty much just hit Saddams compounds, while during the War, for whatever reason, their cities were distroyed. If we are having so much trouble in Bagdad, then why is there so much of it still standing? Saw on TV (60 minutes) just the other day, a young souldier is going to be court-marshaled because after being hit by a roadside bomg, and taking fire from some houses , he ordered an attack on those two houses and some civilians were killed. My response-tough ! The houses he hit had a clear view of the place where the bomb was placed, and probably knew about it. In fact, why is the entire neighborhood still standing?
In ww2 we didn't have the percision fire power we have now, but I don't believe Patton would sit by and let his troops be bombed or shot at from "houses". My bet is he would have turned a tank on the whole area and fired away.
The mission there now is policing a civil war, and that is just nuts.
Go to war and win by whatever means necessary- even if it means completely destroying Bagdad, or get out.
I think Brentenman has the position proper. Supporting the troops is not even the correct language. I sympathise with the troops who chose to STAND IN DEFENSE OF THE USA. They are the vast majority of our military forces. I think Brentenman is one of them.
I felt the same way about the troops in Vietnam, even the draftees.
I know a retired Marine Sergent Major, and I know him pretty well. I was at lunch with him and a few other men two summers ago. Iraq Came up. I was not going to make an enemy of Neil so I kept my leftest trap shut tight. Bit my tounge, ate my fried fish. Listened.
Neil Said four words. "It is NOT right." His voice broke, and he joined me in silence for the rest of the meal.
I don't think anything affected my feelings for professional soldiers more before or since.
I felt the same way about the troops in Vietnam, even the draftees.
I know a retired Marine Sergent Major, and I know him pretty well. I was at lunch with him and a few other men two summers ago. Iraq Came up. I was not going to make an enemy of Neil so I kept my leftest trap shut tight. Bit my tounge, ate my fried fish. Listened.
Neil Said four words. "It is NOT right." His voice broke, and he joined me in silence for the rest of the meal.
I don't think anything affected my feelings for professional soldiers more before or since.
quote:Originally posted by Phoenix Rising:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=24853_Lef...ting_the_Troops&only
Why do you post as Phoenix Rising Nash?
quote:Originally posted by Brentenman:
"support the troops but not the mission.."
Hmmm...I wonder if we could have defeated Germany and Japan with that attitude some 65 years ago....Me thinks not.
As a U.S. soldier on active duty, I do NOT buy that "support the troops but not the mission".
Neither do I want the support of the Leftists, who get their support from diverse groups in areas such as: Communists, Marxists, Environmental Wacko groups, peaceniks, criminal alien supporters, etc.
Excuse me,but I can't help but laugh,Leftists,Environmental Wacko groups,so you think all these groups are Communists? You get this propaganda from Right Wing hate groups like Jerry Falwell,Pat R.and the right wing talk shows.come on guy, you know better than that!
quote:I would have to disagree with your statement about WW2. We did exactly what you say we didn't do. We did bomb ALL of their important military infastructure (most of it was IN the cities). We then policed the mess. Why do you think we were in Germany and Japan so long after the war.
Southern Patriot
We are still there by the way - and in Korea.
We were In on the Defeat of Germany, and did defeat Japan. We fought a conventional war in WW II. We took, and held ground the objective and strategy was to take and hold land. The tactics and strategy in WW II are not applicable to the Experimental wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
We did not send a "follow on" force into Iraq, or Afghanistan. It was not available.
Clinton had the right strategy for Iraq, and Gore would have continued it, with the full support of the world until May of 2003 at least.
It was called Seige in the wars of the Kingdoms of old Europe. It was the same strategy as the Cold War with the USSR. With the added tactic of selective violence in the no fly zones. It was so successful that when Bush blundered in with an insufficient force, we had ONE ally on the ground, the Kurds.
Support the troops. Declare victory, and leave. Just like we did in Granada and Panama.
We did not send a "follow on" force into Iraq, or Afghanistan. It was not available.
Clinton had the right strategy for Iraq, and Gore would have continued it, with the full support of the world until May of 2003 at least.
It was called Seige in the wars of the Kingdoms of old Europe. It was the same strategy as the Cold War with the USSR. With the added tactic of selective violence in the no fly zones. It was so successful that when Bush blundered in with an insufficient force, we had ONE ally on the ground, the Kurds.
Support the troops. Declare victory, and leave. Just like we did in Granada and Panama.
quote:Originally posted by Phoenix Rising:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=24853_Lef...ting_the_Troops&only
If you hit the link for Indymedia and read the posts you will see that the person who took the photo's, Rachel, says that these are not her friends and do not represent the group. The majority of the people are peaceful and for peace. We do not blame the soldiers because we see how they are lied too.
By the poster of the A inside the circle looks to me like they are anarchist's. Some of the anarchists are very extreme. The US war machine is killing thousands of Iraqi's and causing untold suffering. These guys are really speaking to the pro warrior type who just support war for the thrill of it, like that site "Little Green Footballs" which looks to be very pro war and big on lies and disinformation.
It's like being in Nazi Germany and watching soldiers kill but knowing they are lied too, what are you supposed to do? You try to tell them the truth. Some don't care and just love the thrill of killing and war while others believe they are doing the right thing. Many soldiers are seeing for themselves that they are killing innocent people and want to stop. We also know the war is for oil because of the latest bill in Iraq that privatizes the oil and gives the oil contracts to oil corporations. The whole war is a lie. Iraq never attacked us and never could. Neither can Iran.
The left is for peace and education. We realize there are extremists on both sides but they are the minority. They manipulate the people through lies and fear.
Another important point is we learned through the Vietnam War that the FBI had a program called COINTELL where they infiltrated anti war groups, the civil rights movement and the Black Panthers and did such things. They were the first to promote violence and crime and took everything to the extreme. The local police forces would do the same. They would supply the idea, the plan's, the guns and bombs and all. We found this out through the Freedom of Information Act and some court cases. .
I heard anti war and civil rights leaders talk about it later and they would say some group of people would always show up and start trouble, turned out to be the cops. I am not saying that theses the case here but keep it in mind. We are seeing the same with these terror cases where a police informant sets up some lonely guy or people
We defeated Germany and Japan because the cause was real. They were a real danger to the world and were marching across Europe and the Pacific. The American people knew the threat to be real.
The American people would have the will to win the war against Iraq if the cause was real, but it's not. We were sold a pack of lies by Bush and the media never questioned him. They have never held him accountable either but have continually acted as cheerleaders every time he changes the reason for the war. The American people are beginning to see through the lies.
There are over a hundred attacks a day against US forces, the media is not telling even half the story on how bad it is and there is very little success for the media to highlight. Billions have been wasted and stolen while millions of Iraqis continue to have only partial services and necessity. Prices have soared as well as unemployment and there is no security.
You can blame liberals and the media for the loss but it's because we don't have the support of the Iraqi people.
The war is to control the oil and the Iraqi people know it and those of us who have open eyes and minds see it for what it is.
The American people would have the will to win the war against Iraq if the cause was real, but it's not. We were sold a pack of lies by Bush and the media never questioned him. They have never held him accountable either but have continually acted as cheerleaders every time he changes the reason for the war. The American people are beginning to see through the lies.
There are over a hundred attacks a day against US forces, the media is not telling even half the story on how bad it is and there is very little success for the media to highlight. Billions have been wasted and stolen while millions of Iraqis continue to have only partial services and necessity. Prices have soared as well as unemployment and there is no security.
You can blame liberals and the media for the loss but it's because we don't have the support of the Iraqi people.
The war is to control the oil and the Iraqi people know it and those of us who have open eyes and minds see it for what it is.
quote:Originally posted by Phoenix Rising:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=24853_Lef...ting_the_Troops&only
That is the most despicable thing I have seen in some time. What a bunch of psychos. That's not a group trying to garner support. That's a group spewing hate and dissention. They are not representative of any group on this forum or anyone I have ever met.
These pictures should be given to the authorities & all of them charged. Unless what I looked at is misinformation, Wyoming and Alaska are the only remaining states without a law against desecrating the American flag. I personally believe effigy of American soldier should be added to that law.
quote:Originally posted by Phoenix Rising:quote:I think that most Americans are now seeing the light, that there is no way to win in Iraq
Unfortunately people like you have convinced a majority of Americans this is the case. We win every engagement except at home.
Might I remind you that America won its independence from Britain while loosing many more engagements than it won. Might I also remind you that America won many more engagements than it lost in Vietnam. However, in both cases the force that believed in its cause the most won. America does not believe in this war and we will loose. The Iraqi people will, unfortantely, also loose this war. In fact, the whole world will suffer from this war.
quote:Originally posted by Jumunji the JoJo:quote:Originally posted by Phoenix Rising:quote:I think that most Americans are now seeing the light, that there is no way to win in Iraq
Unfortunately people like you have convinced a majority of Americans this is the case. We win every engagement except at home.
Might I remind you that America won its independence from Britain while loosing many more engagements than it won. Might I also remind you that America won many more engagements than it lost in Vietnam. However, in both cases the force that believed in its cause the most won. America does not believe in this war and we will loose. The Iraqi people will, unfortantely, also loose this war. In fact, the whole world will suffer from this war.
You need to update your statement this way "Might I also remind you that America won many more engagements than it lost in Vietnam. However, in both cases the people that believed in its cause the most won. America has a small minority of very shrill people who are convincing everybody else to does not believe in this war and we will loose. There is no way that we could lose this war militarily. The only way we can lose is for the Media and the liberals to continue their attack on the President to the point that everybody in the country just gives up. If you people gave a **** about this country you would support your President and your country until we see this war to the end.
quote:Originally posted by Southern Patriot:quote:Originally posted by Jumunji the JoJo:quote:Originally posted by Phoenix Rising:quote:I think that most Americans are now seeing the light, that there is no way to win in Iraq
Unfortunately people like you have convinced a majority of Americans this is the case. We win every engagement except at home.
Might I remind you that America won its independence from Britain while loosing many more engagements than it won. Might I also remind you that America won many more engagements than it lost in Vietnam. However, in both cases the force that believed in its cause the most won. America does not believe in this war and we will loose. The Iraqi people will, unfortantely, also loose this war. In fact, the whole world will suffer from this war.
You need to update your statement this way "Might I also remind you that America won many more engagements than it lost in Vietnam. However, in both cases the people that believed in its cause the most won. America has a small minority of very shrill people who are convincing everybody else to does not believe in this war and we will loose. There is no way that we could lose this war militarily. The only way we can lose is for the Media and the liberals to continue their attack on the President to the point that everybody in the country just gives up. If you people gave a **** about this country you would support your President and your country until we see this war to the end.
This isn't a war anymore. We won the war in about 3 weeks. No country in the world can face our military and win in a traditional fight. This is anywhere close to traditional warfare and combat. This is an occupation of a country birthed from an illegal invasion. You don't see these problems in Kuwait do you? That's because we liberated them, we didn't invaded them and occupy their country for 4 years.
And as far as winning this war...I guess you think we are going to win this one just like we won Vietnam, eh?
We didn't lose Vietnam. We had enough bleeding heart, liberal protestors to cause the weak kneed politicians to cave in. Also, how can you say invading Iraq was illegal. Besides the fact the GWB had resolution in hand from Congress, Iraq had violated the terms of thier surrender from DS1. We had every right to go in. Beside, that is over and done now with nothing you or I or anybody else can do about it. Move on.
We Won Vietnam. Then we tried to keep it. GO READ THE HISTORY OF THE WAR, AND ITS JUSTIFICATION.quote:Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
We didn't lose Vietnam. We had enough bleeding heart, liberal protestors to cause the weak kneed politicians to cave in. Also, how can you say invading Iraq was illegal. Besides the fact the GWB had resolution in hand from Congress, Iraq had violated the terms of thier surrender from DS1. We had every right to go in. Beside, that is over and done now with nothing you or I or anybody else can do about it. Move on.
Eisenhower set the Objective. Preventing the Spread of Communism. WE PREVENTED THE SPREAD OF COMMUNISM TO: Cambodia, Laos, and the rest of Southeast Asia and beyond. We did not prevent the unification of Vietnam. The raw materials, notably Tin, and latex, are still available to the USA and other Non Communist countries Despite the takeover by the North Vietnamese. If you insist on commenting on Foreign Affairs, at least LEARN THE ISSUES.
quote:Originally posted by EdEKit:We Won Vietnam. Then we tried to keep it. GO READ THE HISTORY OF THE WAR, AND ITS JUSTIFICATION.quote:Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
We didn't lose Vietnam. We had enough bleeding heart, liberal protestors to cause the weak kneed politicians to cave in. Also, how can you say invading Iraq was illegal. Besides the fact the GWB had resolution in hand from Congress, Iraq had violated the terms of thier surrender from DS1. We had every right to go in. Beside, that is over and done now with nothing you or I or anybody else can do about it. Move on.
Eisenhower set the Objective. Preventing the Spread of Communism. WE PREVENTED THE SPREAD OF COMMUNISM TO: Cambodia, Laos, and the rest of Southeast Asia and beyond. We did not prevent the unification of Vietnam. The raw materials, notably Tin, and latex, are still available to the USA and other Non Communist countries Despite the takeover by the North Vietnamese. If you insist on commenting on Foreign Affairs, at least LEARN THE ISSUES.
You call the way we pulled out of Vietnam "winning"? Surely you jest? I guess you can tell the millions that died after we pulled out how it feels to be winners?
I call trying to take the whole cake and loosing virtually none of it winning. WE PULLED OUT BECAUSE WE HAD NO INTENTION OF CONQUERING THE COUNTRY. We accomplished the objective. WE DID NOT CONQUER THE COUNTRY. WE INTENDED TO PULL OUT FROM THE VERY FIST DAY...IN 1958.quote:Originally posted by Southern Patriot:quote:Originally posted by EdEKit:We Won Vietnam. Then we tried to keep it. GO READ THE HISTORY OF THE WAR, AND ITS JUSTIFICATION.quote:Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
We didn't lose Vietnam. We had enough bleeding heart, liberal protestors to cause the weak kneed politicians to cave in. Also, how can you say invading Iraq was illegal. Besides the fact the GWB had resolution in hand from Congress, Iraq had violated the terms of thier surrender from DS1. We had every right to go in. Beside, that is over and done now with nothing you or I or anybody else can do about it. Move on.
Eisenhower set the Objective. Preventing the Spread of Communism. WE PREVENTED THE SPREAD OF COMMUNISM TO: Cambodia, Laos, and the rest of Southeast Asia and beyond. We did not prevent the unification of Vietnam. The raw materials, notably Tin, and latex, are still available to the USA and other Non Communist countries Despite the takeover by the North Vietnamese. If you insist on commenting on Foreign Affairs, at least LEARN THE ISSUES.
You call the way we pulled out of Vietnam "winning"? Surely you jest? I guess you can tell the millions that died after we pulled out how it feels to be winners?
Southern Patriot, we have a fundamental controversy here, and it applies to Iraq as well as Vietnam. You are expansionist, and seek domination. I am not expansionist, and wish to find common ground. The heat of the battles between you and me is based on that single difference. WE ARE THE GREATEST NATION ON EARTH. We don't have any reason to be the ONLY nation on earth.