Some of it makes sense to me

A lot of it makes sense to me too, Semi. That is why I am not a member of any church. Now I GO to church, don't get me wrong, but I go to a different church each time. I have attended Baptist, Roman Catholic, Lutheran, Episcopal, and several non-denominational churches. But the messages arre a bit different in each. That is why instead of getting my Biblical education from church leaders, I get it from - READING THE BIBLE.

That is also why you won't see me putting down others on this board for their faith. I see all the attacks on Skippy and I know that they are wrong! Skippy is a great guy, and he loves Jesus with all his heart. I won't get into any of that "WHICH Jesus?" stuff that I so often see here, because you know what? I don't think it matters if any particular faith sees Jesus differently than I do. As long as they know that Jesus died on the cross to redeem us, then they are CHRISTIAN!

I happen to know a few Jehovah's Witnesses too. Although I don't agree with their RELIGION, I DO agree with their FAITH, because they too believe that Jesus died for our sins. They too, are Christians in my book.

But yeah, sometimes the things we hear from church-goers has nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity. We are NOT to judge. The Bible tells us that, plain as day. Yet a lot of church-goers let their human nature trump His teachings. HE told us not to judge, but it is human nature to think WE are right and others are wrong. That's something I think a lot of Christians need to work on so that we are good examples of the peace, joy, kindness and love that He brings into our lives.  We need to stop focusing on the differences of people whose WAY of worshipping is different from ours, and start being good examples to those who DON'T believe, so that instead of being put off by Christianity, they see how beautiful having faith can be.

Good video.

A preacher I used to listen to, Charles Swindall put it this way once :

"Religion please man, faith please God".

I have used that phrase every since, because it is so correct.

O no, ask your Jehovah's Witnesses if they believe Jesus is God. 

When they tell you no, ask them to explain John 1:1-10

Whenever I ask them that, they always say "I gotta talk to my preacher" - never to be seen again.

Think Bill would understand this?

That's why you will see me telling Bill that he's a wolf in sheep's clothing. I honestly in my heart believe that. Bill is doing more work for Satan than Jesus. He's a mean, judgmental, nasty ole man! How anyone can consider him a Christian & say he loves God, is beyond me.

Even the Bible says that not all who says Lord, Lord, will enter the gates of Heaven. Somebody that believes themselves to be a Christian is going to be some of those & I believe Bill will be one of them.

I have an aunt that is a Jehovah's Witness. A very, sweet, kind woman but her Jehovah clan believe they are the only one's going to Heaven.

I admire Skippy in the fact that no matter how nasty Bill is to him, he doesn't let Bill provoke him to anger.

Did you receive my email a couple of days ago?

Yes, Semi. I got your email and was waiting to relpy untilI got the news I was waiting for. So far I STILL haven't heard.

Yeah, I think the Jehovah's are wrong to think they are the only ones who will go to Heaven. NO ONE knows who will go to Heaven except our Lord, and because He gave us free will, any one of us has a chance to attend to their OWN salvation.

I am sure there will be a lot of people surprised when their time comes. I know SOME people who are SURE they are "in",  are the ones to whom He will say "I never knew you". Once we let Him into our hearts, the work has just begun. And in order to do our work faithfully, we have to listen to what it is He wants us to do, and then be willing to give up EVERYTHING, if that is what is necessary to get the job done. And we need to listen to Him every day, every minute. And if we TRULY put our lives in His hands, we can neither fail nor can we mislead others with our OWN opinions.

It is true that He said if we believed in Him we are saved. I think what a lot of people misunderstand is what believing entails. It isn't just saying, "Yeah, you're real. I believe in you so now I'm saved." He wants us to believe in EVERYTHING He stands for and to live our lives that way. When He said we should be willing to give up all of our worldly goods, when He said we should even give up our parents and spouses and children if need be, to follow Him, THAT is what He meant by believing. I think not many would be willing to do all of that. But that is, in my opinion, what being a REAL Christian is all about.

Hi all,

That is a great video.  It has been on Facebook for a few days.  And, I agree with everything this man said -- religion is man made dogmas, traditions, and rituals -- Christianity is salvation by the grace of God, through faith in Jesus Christ -- ALONE, plus nothing else.   This is what I have been writing for many years.

O No, you write, "Skippy is a great guy, and he loves Jesus with all his heart."

Most likely Skippy is a very nice person.  However, the Jesus he loves -- is NOT the Jesus Christ of the Bible.  Skippy's Jesus is a created being, brother of Lucifer/Satan, and is an exalted man.  Matter of fact, the god, actually gods, that the Mormons worship -- is NOT the God of the Bible.  Their gods are all exalted men.   Therefore, no matter how nice a person Skippy is -- his church is not a Christian church.  They follow a false Jesus.  It is a cult church.

Several people mentioned the Jehovah's Witnesses.  JWs also do not recognize Jesus Christ as the Son of God, they deny His deity.  JWs deny the Trinity.  And, they have rewritten John 1:1, changing it to say, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a God."   In other words, Jesus Christ is not God, but is a god, i.e., rather like the Mormons teach that God is an exalted man.

JWs also changed John 8:58, where Jesus tells the non-believing Jews, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am."   JWs changed that verse to read, "Before Abraham came into being, I have been."  

What's the difference?  JWs cannot allow Jesus to use the phrase, "I am" -- for this reflects back to God speaking to Moses:

Exodus 3:13-14 NASB - 13 Then Moses said to God, "Behold, I am going to the sons of Israel, and I will say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you.'  Now they may say to me, 'What is His name?'  What shall I say to them?"  14 God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM"; and He said, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.'"

So, the JWs relate Jesus saying, "I am" to His saying, "I am God" -- and they deny that.  Therefore the JWs are definitely a cult church.

There is a great book on this subject which I recommend.  It is "Jehovah's Witnesses, Jesus Christ, & The Gospel Of John."  It was written by Robert M.Bowman, Jr. -- with a foreword by Dr. Walter Martin, and published by Baker Book House.  If you want to study the JWs, this is a good place to begin.

Chick, if you truly believe all this man says in this video -- then, you should be willing, and eager, to become a Christian believer.   It is no problem that you do not accept what I write; but, if you believe this man in the video -- please accept his Christianity.  You will be eternally happy if you will do that.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

As I said Bill, I will not judge anyone who claims that Jesus died for our sins. It's not my place. When one starts disecting someone else's religion, they are falling into the trap the young man in the video was talking about. All the things you wrote about the Mormons and the JW's are arguments about RELIGION. What I am sure of is that Skippy and my JW friends have FAITH in Jesus. How they view him according to their RELIGION doesn't matter as much as what is in their hearts.

You tell me, "What I am sure of is that Skippy and my JW friends have FAITH in Jesus."

If you saw them worshiping a tree, or the homeless guy on the street -- would you call that faith in Jesus Christ?  No.  There is only one Jesus Christ -- and He is not a tree, nor a homeless man, nor an exalted Mormon man/god, nor a JWs cult god.

If a person were to come into your hometown and begin telling folks he is Jesus -- would you worship him?  No.  Because you know the real Jesus Christ.  That is exactly what the Mormons and JWs are doing -- worshiping someone who is NOT Jesus Christ.  So, no matter how much they declare they are worshiping this false Jesus -- that does not make them close to God, nor does it validate their worship as something we should accept or acknowledge.  They are worshiping a false, cult Jesus -- NOT Jesus Christ, the preexisting deity of the Bible.

No matter how good a friend this person may be -- by your validating their false Jesus, you are defaming the true Jesus Christ.  And, you are not doing them a favor by not telling them the truth. 

Don't you think it is more important to point them toward the only Jesus Christ who can save them eternally -- than, to placate them in this mortal life?  If you really want to help Skippy and your JW friends -- tell them the truth.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

"Truth" sure is a relative term, ain't it?

If you saw them worshiping a tree, or the homeless guy on the street -- would you call that faith in Jesus Christ? No. There is only one Jesus Christ -- and He is not a tree, nor a homeless man, nor an exalted Mormon man/god, nor a JWs cult god.

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Is "he" bill gray? That seems to be what you worship in your little cult.

What a great video  and full of truth.

   Bill hush up picking on skippy. skip says he believes all the mormon stuff but to me it is crazy as ****

   Bill hush up picking on skippy. skip says he believes all the morman stuff but to me it is crazy as ****

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Unfortunately lexum you wouldn't know truth if it fell out of the sky and hit you in the head.

Bill, they worship the Jesus Christ who died for our sins. There is only one.

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I thought you & my friend, O No, had come to some sort of an agreement about Christianity? But yet, you tell her that she is defaming the true Jesus Christ because she gave her opinion?

Pitiful!

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Well, heck! Billy has been writing for years what this guy in the video said. Here we are with a real live Know It All Christian on this forum & we're listening to others besides him? Somebody grab a switch!

Billy always has a "however" in his sermons. Why any of you Christians need a Bible is beyond me when you have Billy to lead you to Heaven.

How many of you ran to the book store to get Billy's recommendation?

If I believe the man in the video, I should accept his Christianity? His Christianity? What happened to believing the Bible & the words of Jesus?

I think you just slipped, Billy. That wolf underneath that sheep's clothing let his true self be seen.

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That's a bummer! Thinking of you & hoping it's soon. Love you, my friend!

You tell me, "they worship the Jesus Christ who died for our sins."

NO, THEY DO NOT!

In the Olivet Discourse, Jesus teaches His disciples, and us, in Mark 13:5-6, "And Jesus began to say to them, 'See to it that no one misleads you.  Many will come in My name, saying, "I am He!" and will mislead many.' "

And, in Mark 13:21-23, He continues, "And then if anyone says to you, 'Behold, here is the Christ'; or, 'Behold, He is there;' do not believe him; for false Christs and false prophets will arise, and will show signs and wonders, in order to lead astray, if possible, the elect.  But take heed; behold, I have told you everything in advance."

O No, my Friend, the teachings of the Mormon church and the Jehovah's Witnesses are prime examples of the false Christs that Jesus was warning us about then.  Please do not accept the teachings of these false Christs, and their followers, over the actual words of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

He is the preexisting deity of John 1:1.  He is not an exalted man who is the brother of Satan as the Mormons teach -- and, He is not the archangel Michael which the Jehovah's Witnesses teach. 

He is Jesus Christ, Son of God, preexisting deity from eternity to eternity.  All others are false gods.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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O No, you really peed in Billy's Cheerio’s, he even yelled at you. Pay no attention to him, he's a nasty ole wolf.

See, Bill doesn't get it.  He worships his Bible above all else.

I am convinced that you would not recognize the Bible -- if it fell off a shelf and hit you on the head!  But, one day, when six strong guys take you into a church for the first time since you were a kid -- someone will read the Bible over you.  Of course, you will not understand it any better then, than you do now.

But, my Friend, take my word for it.  The Bible does indeed contain the secret (well, it's not really a secret -- God is very open about it) -- of eternal life with God.   And, if by some strange chance you happen to ever have someone read the Bible to you; even you have a chance to accept His free gift of eternal life.  Then, praise God, you and I can continue to dialogue for eternity in heaven.  Now, that would be a real blessing.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

I am convinced that you would not recognize the Bible -- if it fell off a shelf and hit you on the head! But, one day, when six strong guys take you into a church for the first time since you were a kid -- someone will read the Bible over you. Of course, you will not understand it any better then, than you do now

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What makes you think his funeral will be in a church? Very few are anymore. You've posted that silly s%&* to me before. You need some new material.

George Bernard Shaw

Bill, there are some people who believe George Washington cut down his father's cherry tree, and that he had wooden teeth. There are some who believe those stories are just myths. But both factions agree that he was the father of our country. There is no second George Washington, no imposter. They are both talking about the same guy.

In the same way, the Mormons and JW's have never pointed at a second man, an imposter, and claimed that he was the savior of us sinners. They worship the one and only Jesus Christ. They view Him differently, but in my opinion that doesn't make Him a DIFFERENT Jesus, any more than wooden teeth made George Washingtion a "different" father of our country.

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I get it Bill, you are clueless.  I've read the Bible, Bill.  I've even had formal studies in it.  Your comprehension is lacking, and when you talk about spiritual maturity, that is a concept in words only to you.  The troubling part is that you think you can fool God.  I'm pretty sure self-righteousness isn't considered a virtue. 

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A real life example of the flaw of your argument is that the God of Bible is the same god as that of the Koran. 

While the "Jesus" that Bill believes in may be the same Jesus that others believe in, the philosophical and spiritual understanding that Bill attributes to "Jesus" is nothing like that of the real Jesus. 

In your example, Bill would consider George Washington to be a Tory hating, blood-lust filled psycho-revolutionary, bootlegger, determined to be King of the World, and would consider himself to be George's indis pu table apostle.  I'm not exactly sure which historical document would give Bill his authority, though.

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Ono such wisdom you command when assailed by these maladroit critics of yours

Why do you say you are tired of those who condemn and are judgemental and in the same post condemn and judge Bill and Christians like him? Then you say that you don't think that's the way Jesus meant for it to be? Are you now saying you believe in Jesus? Or are you speaking for Jesus only when it suits you.

i'll have to agree ole skip is a good example for us all.  he's tough as a gator hide

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Since you've asked me those questions before & I've answered, I won't do it again. You should keep up better.

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Something I actually agree with you on.

Ono needs to be made aware that Brigham Young, the "Prophet" who followed Joseph Smith as head of the Mormon cult, said that no man would get to the "celestial kingdom" without the consent of Joseph Smith:

 "...no man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith.... Every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, junior, as a passport to their entrance... I cannot go there without his consent.… He reigns there as supreme a being in his sphere, capacity, and calling, as God does in heaven." (vol. 7, p. 289)

The entirety of this heretical diatribe can be read in Volume 7, part 289 of the Mormon Journal of Discourses, which is at  http://www.journalofdiscourses.org/volume-7/    Scroll down to "JD 7:289, Brigham Young, October  9, 1859" (in blue italic type).  It is on page 362 of the PDF and it is easy to navigate to this section. Read about the alleged God-like power attributed to the imposter and false prophet Joseph Smith, Jr.

Take note of this blasphemous claim, all you hyperecumenical dupes who claim to believe that Mormonism is just another edition of Christianity!

Ol' Joe Smith is dead, so that requirement is moot.

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it's-a-miracle. may i quote you during a mean spell you might have

Bill posted--

Hi all,

That is a great video.  It has been on Facebook for a few days.  And, I agree with everything this man said -- religion is man made dogmas, traditions, and rituals -- Christianity is salvation by the grace of God, through faith in Jesus Christ -- ALONE, plus nothing else.   This is what I have been writing for many years.

O No, you write, "Skippy is a great guy, and he loves Jesus with all his heart."

Most likely Skippy is a very nice person.  However, the Jesus he loves -- is NOT the Jesus Christ of the Bible.  Skippy's Jesus is a created being, brother of Lucifer/Satan, and is an exalted man.  Matter of fact, the god, actually gods, that the Mormons worship -- is NOT the God of the Bible.  Their gods are all exalted men.   Therefore, no matter how nice a person Skippy is -- his church is not a Christian church.  They follow a false Jesus.  It is a cult church.

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Gee Wiz Mr. Gray, after I was just thinking how nice of guy you were.

You Go and say something so mean as this.

I am sorry you couldn’t be any more wrong.

I know that my(our) Redeemer Lives.

I know that he died for me(us).

I know that he Loves Everyone and not just believers or the so called chosen.

By Golly, he even loves Jimi and maybe Beternun. Well maybe. He's on a whole different level of hate. I could see him swinging a sword back in the Crusades in medieval times.

P.S. Thanks for the kind words Girls. I think you two are pretty awsome yourselves.

Skippy

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Not moot at all, according to the authoritative source. Crusty, Ol' Joe Smith died in 1844.  He had BEEN dead for 15 years when Brigham Young, the alleged Mormon "Prophet" who succeeded him, made the claim that " "...no man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith.... Every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, junior, as a passport to their entrance... I cannot go there without his consent.…"

Who speaks for the Mormon cult--you or Brigham Young?

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And the Catholics believe you won't go to Heaven if you've committed a mortal sin. And the CoC believes you won't get to Heaven if you don't attend their church. And each church believes they are the one true church. And they are all wrong. NOBODY knows who will go to Heaven except Jesus. And nobdy, I mean NOBODY has the right, the knowledge, the sanctity, to judge who will or will not go to Heaven.

I choose to do what God wants this HUMAN to do, and I will leave the decisions and judgements to Him.

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Apparently Bill Gray, since he knows it all.

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I guess that means all Mormons are headed for hell.  Joe Smith is dead.  We agree on that, don't we?

I speak for no one except myself.

John 14:6, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me." 

John 3:12,  "If I told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things?"    Jesus Christ