Somebodys gonna get cut

Juan, you just gave me a great idea for You Tube! It involves a remake of the Michael Jackson's "I'm Bad" video with Bronzie Boehner as Jackson and a knife fight with old people on medicare in wheelchairs. Will post it when I am done. THANKS!

I'll assume Juan is Tweedledee.

Needs to be a LOT of somebodys cut. They have a time limit on unemployment, why not a limit on how long someone can be on welfare, in public housing, get food vouchers etc. The theory is people won't find work until unemployment runs out so let's see what happens when you yank that government t*t out of the mouth of the ones that have been on welfare for most of their lives. There are even generations on welfare. How about that experiment?

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I'll assume Juan is Tweedledee.

And rockhead is tweedletodayumdumb.

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Originally posted by Jennifer:
Needs to be a LOT of somebodys cut. They have a time limit on unemployment, why not a limit to how long someone can be on welfare, in public housing, get food vouchers etc. The theory is people won't find work until unemployment runs out so let's see what happens when you yank that government t*t out of the mouth of the ones that have been on welfare for most of their lives. There are even generations on welfare. How about that experiment?

OK gravy bowl, let's create a slasher video. We could put Bronzie Boehner as Michael Jackson with a switchblade and have poor people with little children all around him and Boehner starts cutting off their hands so they can't use food stamps to eat, then proceeds to disembowel them so they won't need anymore public housing since they are dead. Is that the FOXOPHILED solution you would rather see? (Reference my thread entitled A Rethugliteacon Christmas Carol) That would be a little too gory, even for a rethugliteacon parody video. Gravy bowl, you really ARE warped!

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OK gravy bowl, let's create a slasher video. We could put Bronzie Boehner as Michael Jackson with a switchblade and have poor people with little children all around him and Boehner starts cutting off their hands so they can't use food stamps to eat, then proceeds to disembowel them so they won't need anymore public housing since they are dead. Is that the FOXOPHILED solution you would rather see? (Reference my thread entitled A Rethugliteacon Christmas Carol) That would be a little too gory, even for a rethugliteacon parody video. Gravy bowl, you really ARE warped!

Oh no rockhead, let's put the ones that keep breeding those "poor kids" so they can increase their welfare goodies, like you I'd guess. Then let's show the ones that get even bigger government apartments because they have more kids. OR you could do an episode on the generations that have grown up on welfare. You are such an I D I O T.

Yeah, somebody's gonna get cut. We can do it intelligently, or we can go all Soviet Union and just fail.

Those are our choices.


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Rocky, what part of we are broke and can't afford it anymore do you not understand? Sure it would be great if we could all get a paycheck and stay at home. It's not going to happen, someone has to pay for it. Cry all your slashing seniors crap you want. I'm almost a senior myself but I know we can't afford to keep doing what we've been doing.

Ferrellj, believe it or not this flu mess has kept me up all night so I still have this minimized on my screen and saw your reply. (Since we are friends, we can talk like that now! ) You are right, the deficit does need to be cut but like the other poster said intelligently. I was just messing with the gravy bowl on the other stuff.

Sorry you have the flu. Jennifer is telling it like it is if you really think it about it though. I can't think of a single government program that does not need to be cut. The intelligent part means how much do we cut each one. 99% of the pork projects have to go. I don't have a chart showing where the money goes but serious cuts must be made or you will not get to enjoy life in America as well as some of us older ones have. I'm just trying to look out for you, me and Bill O'Rielly.

Jennifer, I'm liking you more everyday!

OH snap!! The rethugs on this forum have a new poster girl and she has the intelligence of a gravy bowl!! She will fit right in with Christine O'Donnell, wait they already have a witch!

OK rockhead, in your own words, if you have words of your own, explain to me why perfectly healthy, not the elderly, not children, but perfectly healthy women and men are allowed to stay on welfare, live in government housing, and in general ride the government gravy train, for their entire lives. This should be interesting.

Welfare is limited to 60 months. States can extend that term but it must be paid for with state funds.

That is part of the Clinton reforms that changed AFDC to TANF. One has to wonder why the Repubs did not even attempt any reforms from 2000-2006

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Originally posted by JuanHunt:
Welfare is limited to 60 months. States can extend that term but it must be paid for with state funds.

That is part of the Clinton reforms that changed AFDC to TANF. One has to wonder why the Repubs did not even attempt any reforms from 2000-2006

There are people that live their entire lives on welfare and you know it. They raise families in government housing and then their grown children marry and move in to the same government housing. "Limited" to 60 months? No, that only means that they have to go around guidelines to stay on welfare and they know exactly how to do that. Some people consider this their "job". And juan, even if the 60 months only was true, that is 5 years. Would you let honest hardworking people that have lost their jobs stay on unemployment 5 years? No you wouldn't, even though what they would draw in unemployment would be a drop in the bucket compared to the welfare give aways.

Why Some Remain in the System

While some are willing to accept public assistance then walk away when the help is no longer needed, there are others who prefer to stay within the system their entire lives. Some reasons people stay on welfare include:

•Not all public housing is bad: The assumption with public housing is that everyone must live in the projects, but some Housing Authority (Section programs offer vouchers that allow recipients to live in nice homes at a significantly-reduced price.
•Tons of freebies are available: Whether they’re getting food stamps, cash aid, child care assistance, health care or even a free cell phone and car with free insurance, inspection, excise tax, title, registration, repairs and AAA membership, there are tons of freebies available. Of course, these freebies are meant to assist the unemployed with food and shelter, as well as put them in a better position to find a job. However, some find remaining unemployed is a better option.
•A fixed income to rely on: Unlike workers who may have to stress about whether they will lose their jobs and income, people on welfare have a plan laid out that guarantees the benefits they get are the ones they will keep. These options offer a stress-reduced way to live.
In addition to the above reasons, there are those who just don’t know anything else. Some children were born and raised in the welfare system and have never had access to any other lifestyle. Therefore, unless they’re outwardly encouraged to strive for more, many remain a part of the system and unintentionally encourage their children to do the same.

Is Breaking Away from the System an Option?
Just like many of the rags to riches stories we’ve seen over the past centuries, anyone is able to break free of the welfare services cycle.

Unfortunately, many realize that if they were to get a job, the money they would make based on their education–and after taxes–would be equal to or less than what they’re already receiving from public assistance, without added benefits. In other words, not everyone will jump from rags to riches and this can be discouraging.

The good news is many former welfare recipients have transitioned slowly out of the system into an independent lifestyle. By taking advantage of free resources offered by government centers, charity groups and some private companies, some have been able to start and finish school, find a job, acquire low-cost child care, buy health insurance and even save money to rent or buy a home.

It’s not an easy goal, but one that can achieved with confidence, diligence and a lot of support. So if it’s something that you or someone you know truly wants, inquire with your local government office today to find out what steps are necessary to make a safe transition from welfare to a life of independence.

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Originally posted by Jennifer:
There are people that live their entire lives on welfare and you know it. They raise families in government housing and then their grown children marry and move in to the same government housing. "Limited" to 60 months? No, that only means that they have to go around guidelines to stay on welfare and they know exactly how to do that. Some people consider this their "job".

I doubt it happens in AlObama, and I am certainly not aware of it as I dont think I know anyone that has ever been on welfare. And if it did, then it is paid for with state funds, not by the fedgov and not affected by Congress.

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Originally posted by JuanHunt:

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Originally posted by Jennifer:
There are people that live their entire lives on welfare and you know it. They raise families in government housing and then their grown children marry and move in to the same government housing. "Limited" to 60 months? No, that only means that they have to go around guidelines to stay on welfare and they know exactly how to do that. Some people consider this their "job".

I doubt it happens in AlObama, and I am certainly not aware of it as I dont think I know anyone that has ever been on welfare. And if it did, then it is paid for with state funds, not by the fedgov and not affected by Congress.

If you are "unaware" of it you need to open your eyes and see where your tax dollars are going.

Juan, What freaking rathole have you been hiding in? If you ever rode by the Commodity give away and saw the Buicks and Caddys lined up it would make you rather ill. Not all were unworthy, but some were and still are. Make no mistake about it, there are feebies by the ton if you know how to play the system. You and Rocky drink from the same Kool-aid jug it appears. WAKE UP and put your efforts toward something worthwhile.

If the the system is rife with with fraud, then fix it. Merely cutting the amount expended will not have any impact on the percentage of benefits that are paid fraudulently.

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Originally posted by JuanHunt:
If the the system is rife with with fraud, then fix it. Merely cutting the amount expended will not have any impact on the percentage of benefits that are paid fraudulently.

Wait! Was that an earthquake? No... just me shuddering... I agree with Juan... I think I need a shower...

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Originally posted by JuanHunt:
If the the system is rife with with fraud, then fix it. Merely cutting the amount expended will not have any impact on the percentage of benefits that are paid fraudulently.

YOU try to deny there is anything wrong with it. What is a significant amount to bother with? Every argument you have is "cutting that won't make any difference." Well crap, why won't it make a difference? This is just ONE area out of thousands that needs to be cut and some need to be done away with entirely.

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Originally posted by JuanHunt:

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Originally posted by Jennifer:
There are people that live their entire lives on welfare and you know it. They raise families in government housing and then their grown children marry and move in to the same government housing. "Limited" to 60 months? No, that only means that they have to go around guidelines to stay on welfare and they know exactly how to do that. Some people consider this their "job".

I doubt it happens in AlObama, and I am certainly not aware of it as I dont think I know anyone that has ever been on welfare. And if it did, then it is paid for with state funds, not by the fedgov and not affected by Congress.

You need to get out a little more often juan. There are many people in Alabama living on welfare. Jennifer is exactly right in her assessment by the way.

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Originally posted by JuanHunt:
If the the system is rife with with fraud, then fix it. Merely cutting the amount expended will not have any impact on the percentage of benefits that are paid fraudulently.

YOU try to deny there is anything wrong with it. What is a significant amount to bother with? Every argument you have is "cutting that won't make any difference." Well crap, why won't it make a difference? This is just ONE area out of thousands that needs to be cut and some need to be done away with entirely.

If you ever decide to run for office count me in as a campaign helper.

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Originally posted by Jennifer:

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Originally posted by JuanHunt:
If the the system is rife with with fraud, then fix it. Merely cutting the amount expended will not have any impact on the percentage of benefits that are paid fraudulently.

YOU try to deny there is anything wrong with it. What is a significant amount to bother with? Every argument you have is "cutting that won't make any difference." Well crap, why won't it make a difference? This is just ONE area out of thousands that needs to be cut and some need to be done away with entirely.

I'm not denying, nor advocating, anything. Does it need to be cut because it is a bad system or because it is rife with fraud? If 50% of the benefits paid right now are for fraudulent claims, then after the budget is cut, more than 50% will be for fraudulent claims as one of the first things cut will be the people that do the investigation of fraud.

None of the cuts proposed by the incoming Repubs will have any difference on the budget or the deficit. A cut of $100billion, which is 20% of discretionary spending and 2% of the fedgov budget, does not touch the $400billion in interest to be paid on the National Debt, just to stay even. We have never, ever paid one penny of the National Debt back. In fact, there is not even a mechanism in fedgov accounting to pay the debt back. The USA, will one day just go bankrupt, and the debt will be gone. That is the master plan.

Well the hard truth is, Something somewhere has to be cut.
Be it welfare, police, local / state government all the way to the feds.
Guess what, 2011 is here and starting on the 1st 10,000 Baby Boomers a day will be retiring for the next 19 years expecting the promises of retirement And such programs like SS is not there. It's broke.
Congressmen makes around 175K a year
many enter government worth example "1.5m" and in just 2 years will have a worth of 4.5m, Gaining while serving and people is ok with this?
Sorry to say but people may have to grow balls of their fore fathers and learn to protect your self and deal with less police. /gasp!!
How bet crime that so many fear would drop, This is proven by the way.
The Fed Chairman, Investment advisors, Bankers,
Former chief credit officer at Fannie Mae, and many many others have stated
"said that the economic crisis could be worse than the Great Depression:" Many of them have also stated it is not a mater of if, But when will it happen.
So yeah there will be cuts coming, wanted or not. IMO

I am guessing at roughly 140 million income taxpayers in the US. So for every $140 million Government cut (or not spent) averages a dollar for each Income TAXPAYER. When can we get started? Just remember Income TAXPAYERS, everytime you hear of a 140 million dollar project of some sorts, that is on average, one dollar from you, EVERY time.

Don't bother with the argument of taxes come from so many other sources, it is still coming largely from the same 140 million people over and over.

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Originally posted by JuanHunt:
If the the system is rife with with fraud, then fix it. Merely cutting the amount expended will not have any impact on the percentage of benefits that are paid fraudulently.

Wow, what a revelation. That is a good idea. Verbosity will NOT fix it. Constructive critisism may help, but picthing in and doing something will help. So hop to it, I am trying to do my part. Do you take part in town meetings and civic functions, or do you stand by and wave signs? Don't *****, get in and pitch. You seem to be all hat and no cowboy.

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Originally posted by JuanHunt:
If the the system is rife with with fraud, then fix it. Merely cutting the amount expended will not have any impact on the percentage of benefits that are paid fraudulently.

Wow, what a revelation. That is a good idea. Verbosity will NOT fix it. Constructive critisism may help, but picthing in and doing something will help. So hop to it, I am trying to do my part. Do you take part in town meetings and civic functions, or do you stand by and wave signs? Don't *****, get in and pitch. You seem to be all hat and no cowboy.

20 years ago, I was heavily involved with state and national politics. I found that every candidate and incumbent had a price, and that the system was intended to benefit them, and not the people. Since then, nothing has changed, and seems to have gotten worse.
I dont get involved at all anymore.

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20 years ago, I was heavily involved with state and national politics. I found that every candidate and incumbent had a price, and that the system was intended to benefit them, and not the people. Since then, nothing has changed, and seems to have gotten worse.
I dont get involved at all anymore.

Then why get upset when people that still care and want change try to get involved? I get so tired of people saying Republicans hate the poor and cater only to the rich. You do know that Republicans give more to charities than the democrats don't you? And you do know that democrats are richer than Republicans? We can't take care of our own people properly because we are being ask, bullied, blackmailed, etc into taking care of the world. That has to stop.

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Originally posted by Jennifer:
Then why get upset when people that still care and want change try to get involved? I get so tired of people saying Republicans hate the poor and cater only to the rich. You do know that Republicans give more to charities than the democrats don't you? And you do know that democrats are richer than Republicans? We can't take care of our own people properly because we are being ask, bullied, blackmailed, etc into taking care of the world. That has to stop.

How true this is, Something even funnier is the amount of people that back democrats not even educated enough to know, The democrats have been running this country the last 15 years.
They think all that power comes from one man the president? lol

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Originally posted by Vorkun
The democrats have been running this country the last 15 years.

What country are you referring to?

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Originally posted by Vorkun
The democrats have been running this country the last 15 years.

What country are you referring to?

Ok to better help me answer your question juanhunt, I have to ask you this.
Are you an Obama supporter?

How about we just cut across the board say 5%? That includes military spending. I bet we could find things that we could live without.