Somethin' can't come from nuthin!

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Another millionth and one time blue nose miner banged this story....

 

HELL LIST:

 

1)....Unobtanium

2)....Jemboy

 

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Wellnow THERE'S a typical GZ response!

 

LMAO! Vic, if I understand the book correctly-You don't have that authority....

 

Since he'll only exists in the minds of the religious wacko, no problem. He'll is the most ridiculous thing that the religious have made up. A close second is the truly stupid idea of Jesus dying for our sins. Christians have very little imagination.

 

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Atheist are mad because they didn't think of it first.

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Something can't come from nothing? Well the "believers" think a man came from nothing and then made two people, one from dirt and the other from a rib that had come from dirt, to populate the entire world. Confused? I bet you are.

Think of what first invic?

The Jesus story!!

Don't say you didn't wish you thought of it first.

I know it's a better story than the big bang crap, but thats

show biz.

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LOL!!! I can honestly say I am so glad I didn't think of it first. Well maybe as a kind of Harry Potter deal but never to try and push it as the truth. Wow, what if some day farrrrrrrrrr into the future they find the Harry Potter books and start worshipping him???

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LMAO! I can see that happening....If they'll buy that fairy tale, they'll buy anything!
"But wait!! DON'T ORDER YET!!! 'Cuz we can't do this all day... For a limited time only, you also get two free tickets to the cloud of your choice!!!"

Ya followin' me, camera guy?

What takes more belief in fairy tales, or science fiction?

 

God did it, or it just sprang out of nothing?

The Christians didn't think of the Jesus story first. They stole it from other religions when they made it up. How sad it must be when you finally realize that you have wasted your life believing in a fantasy. God doesn't exist. Jesus is a fictional character. The Bible was written by a committee
of men who had a political agenda. Get over it!

I have no argument with this article unoi.

We have read the account in the Bible many times.

Everything was without form and void. That means there was NOTHING.

The Bible contained this info all along.

 

I'll bet even jimbo can figger that out.

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If those were the ONLY two choices I'd have to say "it sprang out of nothing" makes more sense than a man was always here.

 

 

Bet there aint no man EVER around your old mean butt long. LOL

Sounds like that's the problem you're having "rum mama" wink wink.

Exactly what do athiest believe in? Nothing I suppose. You athiest don't trust anything or anybody. You have faith in nothing. Is that what you're all about? NOTHING!   Such a sad life to live.

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I believe in a lot of things, and I have "faith" or trust in a lot of things and people too, just not a mystical make believe god like you do.  The last sad or bad thing was the tornado, we lost a friend in that.  I have a loving family, wonderful friends, a comfortable home, activities we enjoy both with family and friends.  I'd be hard pressed to find anything I'd change about my life. Care to tell us how you came to the conclusion that we don't have those things?

I'm an atheist and I know and have faith in a lotta things because they've proven to me that they're worthy of it. Anything I don't yet know but have seen evidence of that makes any sense-I can"believe" in.

 

Believing in something without ANY evidence of it's existence is called "blind faith" and to me that doesn't make any sense.

 

What I think is really sad is wasting an entire life suppressing and worrying oneself for the purpose of attaining a perceived reward in an 'afterlife' that somebody else was told about by a book written by a bunch of people over a long timeframe that made it all up to further their political agendas.

 

All that self-flagellation for a fable.

 

This is more'n likely all ya get. I suggest ya live NOW.

 

"So, how much money have you given YOUR church in your lifetime?  I bet your preacher's doin' all right."

What if you're wrong? And don't say you're not wrong. Just what if you're wrong.

Who are you asking, and wrong about what?

All athiest and what if you're wrong about your beliefs that God doesn't exist and the Bible is just a book of stories?

@ the Fireman - Its a invalid argument. It assumes two options -God or no God- when there are at least hundreds of options. Christians and Atheist could all end up going to a Muslim Hell instead. No intelligent person can ever be convinced to believe that God exists from a Pascal type wager. You can't forcibly believe in anything based on a bet of mystic rewards or punishment after death. It's a non starter

 

Did you even bother to read the article, Winston?  As a self-proclaimed geologist, the material is not likely as "out of reach" of your intellectual reach as it is for Vic and others.  Would you care to comment on the science or do you geologists simply dismiss anything that doesn't coincide with your preconceptions?

The Muslim faith has far more believers than the Christian faith.  The Quoran makes it very clear that those who worship false prophets shall not only be killed but shall burn in hell. You are guilty of believing in Jesus so that's death to you, sir.

You are a Christian only because you were born in this country.  If you were born in Iran, you'd be a Muslim.  So, the question is, what if YOU are wrong? 

And exactly how do you know you are right? 

We atheists are equal opportunity blasphemers.  We don't believe in ANY of the 12,000 or so gods that currently are said to exist. 

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There are many ways to answer that one. First of all let me repeat that being an atheist doesn't mean that a person lacks morals, doesn't do good for people, and doesn't live lives that would put a lot of christians to shame. Now that "said", if that isn't enough to satisfy your god then what would? If there was a god, and he wanted to condemn a good person simply because they COULD NOT believe in him (using the mind you say he gave us), what kind of a god would he be? Wouldn't you think that he would say, "well, you didn't believe in me but you have done such good for so many I just have to give you a pass"? Or would he say, "well I know most of the people standing here are not worth the powder it would take to blow them up, but they believed in me so they get to heaven".  Doesn't matter how mean, small minded, hypocritical and all the other things you can call them, they get a pass for "believing" and declaring how they love their lord.

 

There has been so much evil done in this world by people that believe in a god, and think that's what he wants(again, using the mind you say he gave them). You did see what I posted about how the pilgrims treated the quakers, all in the name of their god, and they aren't the only ones. So if they aren't blamed for being "mistaken" why would an atheist be blamed? Now again, that said, I will repeat I do not believe in a god or gods. So don't come back with the "oh I see, deep down you do believe, that's why you think living right will save you" argument. If a belief in a god did inspire people to live and do right this would be a wonderful world. Unfortunately it seems it works in the opposite way and it is the major factor for all the hate and injustice in the world.

well said Jennifer.

 

What if Hitler had accepted Jesus before death? he'd be in heaven right? Even with his mass murders? because in God's eyes no sin is greater than another right?

 

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Hitler may well have been one of those I spoke of that thought they were doing god's work. Others thought he was and consider this:

 

"God says in Jeremiah 16 - 'Behold I will bring them the Jewish people again unto their land that I gave unto their fathers' - that would be Abraham, Isaac and Jacob - 'Behold I will send for many fishers and after will I send for many hunters. And they the hunters shall hunt them' - that will be the Jews - 'from every mountain and from every hill and from out of the holes of the rocks.' If that doesn't describe what Hitler did in the Holocaust... you can't see that? So think about this - I will send fishers and I will send hunters." - Pastor John Hagee in a sermon

"Then God sent a hunter. A hunter is someone with a gun and he forces you. Hitler was a hunter. And the Bible says -- Jeremiah writing -- 'They shall hunt them from every mountain and from every hill and from the holes of the rocks,' meaning there's no place to hide. And that might be offensive to some people but don't let your heart be offended. I didn't write it, Jeremiah wrote it. It was the truth and it is the truth. How did it happen? Because God allowed it to happen. Why did it happen? Because God said my top priority for the Jewish people is to get them to come back to the land of Israel." - Pastor John Hagee in a sermon
 

Hitler and the n a z i s were sent by God, to chase Jews back to the land of Israel. Because that's where God intends them to be. So, the Holocaust was a gruesomely inefficient system of divine "persuasion", and Hitler and the n a z i s were doing "God's work". But Hagee also depicts this divine ethnic cleansing imperative as a future project: it will happen.

In Hagee's 2006 "Jerusalem Countdown", Hagee says anti-Semitism, and the Holocaust, were and are the fault of Jews - a divine curse for worshiping idols.

 

John Hagee

What if you are wrong?

And the Christians don't believe in all of them except one, so they are all atheists, too.

You are also an atheist. What if you are wrong? What if one of the thousands of gods that you don't believe in is the "real" one? The chances that you picked the right one are pretty slim.

Yeah, all it said was that the cosmologists and physicists hit a wall at the Big Bang, and have faith that they will figger it all out some day. 

 

Trouble is, we have been gnawing on these questions for thousands of years, and every question we answer asks three more. How can we claim to understand much of anything? 

I'm delighted to concur with Winston, for once.  How can we know anything?

 

We know what we know.  The rest are questions, but we embrace them on the foundation of solid knowledge.  At least as far as science goes.

 

The interesting part is what we don't know.  We don't know a lot.  Scientists are honest about this and say "we don't know".  Some other people, less honest and courageous say "God did it".

 

But just think of how much more we know than the primitive people who wrote the Holy Books that the world embraces.  I'll spare you the details, you know them.

 

For the last 500 years or so, since the advent of printing and widespread literacy, the extra-somatic intelligence of the world has grown exponentially.  This is significant.  We know... KNOW.... thousands of times more than our hidebound, superstitious ancestors of 1000 years ago because the Enlightenment freed our minds to follow evidence.

 

How can we know anything?  We can test it.  We can observe it, now.  We can subject data to known laws of existence.  Everything else is speculation, including, and especially, god.

 

DF

Vic has dammmed y'all to Hayull!  LMAO!

 

Vic, read your book.  And keep a seat for us around the fire, willya?

 

DF