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Why We Should Worry About Right-Wing Terror Attacks Like Norway's in the US
Sunday 24 July 2011
by: Frank Schaeffer, AlterNet | News Analysis

The Norwegian police on Saturday charged a 32-year-old man, whom they identified as a Christian fundamentalist with right-wing connections, over the bombing of a government center and a shooting attack on a nearby island that together left at least 91 people dead.

In my new book "Sex, Mom and God" I predicted just such an action. I predicted that right wing Christians will unleash terror here in America too. I predict that they will copy Islamic extremists, and may eventually even make common cause with them.

There is a growing movement in America that equates godliness with hatred of our government in fact hatred of our country as fallen and evil because we allow women choice, ***s to marry, have a social safety net, and allow immigration from other cultures and non-white races.

A History of Violent Action

There is a history to the far right, religious right extremism on the rise today, extremism so extreme that in its congressional manifestation it is risking the good faith and credit of the US in the debt calling fiasco. The Tea Party activists also want purity of doctrine.

My family was part of the far right/violent right's rise in the 1970s and 80s when we helped create the "pro-life" movement come into existence that in the end spawned the killers of abortion providers. These killers were literally doing what we'd called for.

The terror unleashed on Norway - and the terror now unleashed by the Tea Party through Congress as it holds our economy hostage to extremist "economic" theories that want to destroy our ability to function -- is the sort of white, Christian; far right terror America can expect more of.

The "Christian Brotherhood"

Call this the ultimate "Tea Party" type "answer" to secularism, modernity, and above all our hated government. Call this the Christian Brotherhood. From far right congress people, to far right gun-toting terror in Norway and here at home, our own Western version of the Taliban is on the rise.

Foreigners, visitors from another planet and Americans living in a bubble of reasonable or educated people might not know this but the reality is that the debt ceiling confrontation is by, for and the result of America's evangelical Christian control of the Republican Party.

It is the ultimate expression of an alternate reality, one that has the mistrust of the US government as its bedrock "faith," second only to faith in Jesus.

To understand why an irrational self-defeating action like destroying the credit of the USA might seem like the right thing to do you have to understand two things: that the Republican Party is now the party of religious fanatics and that these fanatics -- people like Michele Bachmann -- don't want to work within our system, they want to bring it down along the lines of so-called Christian "Reconstruction." (See my book for a full account of what this is.)

In the scorched-earth era of the "health care reform debates" of 2009 and beyond, Evangelicals seemed to believe that Jesus commanded that all hospitals (and everything else) should be run by corporations for profitjust because corporations weren't the evil government. The right even decided that it was "normal" for the state to hand over its age-old public and patriotic duties to private companies -- even for military operations ("contractors"), prisons, health care, public transport, and all the rest.

Private "Facts"

The Religious Right/Far Right et al. favored private "facts," too.

Read the rest:

http://www.truth-out.org/why-w...orways-us/1311521911

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Hi Prop,

 

You find some wacked out, far Left Liberal who writes on the extreme yellow rag called Huffington Post -- and he does not like Conservative Christians!  Wow!  That has almost as much credibility as Obama's promise of Change in 2008 -- and the subsequent real Change we have all seen.

 

By the way, you tell us that his dad is a "religious right's guru."    Who is he?  I have never heard of a Schaeffer who is an evangelical leader -- in America or otherwise.   I have heard of plenty of wacked out people who call themselves evangelicals -- Robert Schuller, Benny Hinn,  Kenneth Copeland, Harold Camping -- the list could go on and on.  But, I find no Schaeffer there.  So, if this guy is supposed to be a Conservative Christian leader -- why have I never heard of him?   Maybe because I do not bother reading the Huffington Post?

 

Or, is this just an inept attempt to smear Conservative Christians?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Rummama,

He's too busy watching the unions bash people's heads and destroy property  for having right to work laws while talking about how violent the Tea Party is.

 

But it is politically correct to not call Islamic Jihadists terrorists but a congressman elected to a position that believes in small government and less intrusion IS a terrorist.

 

Right prop?

You guys may have not noticed the change after Obama was elected, but I definitely do. You just have to be a bit more observant to see the change he has made for this great nation we live in. Just the other day I saw the change he spoke of. It worked out to be about 8 cents worth of it after I paid all my bills and taxes. Now that's change we all can believe in. And you have the gall to accuse him of not following through on campaign promises. You all should be ashamed.

Originally Posted by Loki:

        You guys may have not noticed the change after Obama was elected, but I definitely do. You just have to be a bit more observant to see the change he has made for this great nation we live in. Just the other day I saw the change he spoke of. It worked out to be about 8 cents worth of it after I paid all my bills and taxes. Now that's change we all can believe in. And you have the gall to accuse him of not following through on campaign promises. You all should be ashamed.


I got a little change in my pocket going jingle lingle ling...Emphasis being on "little".  LOL  I hear ya.

I agree Prop. Right wing religious nuts are growing in number and are starting to act in ways that to me are no different than the Islamic extremist. Christians want to deny it. They will say "they were never REAL Christians....whatever they want to call themselves they are driven by their belief in the God of the bible and they feel the need to kill and control by means of violence in his name.

 

Those who don't see what is happening in our country are just not paying attention. With Rick Perry, Michelle Bachmann, Huckabee, etc...we see the extreme religious right trying to move into powerful positions and they would like nothing more than to make this country a Theocracy. The hate they spew and the language they use is riling up the more radical Christian groups and we will see more attacks by these nuts before its all said and done.

 

Look into the financial backing that Rick Perry got for his Prayer-a-pah-looza. Those guys are scary as hell.

 
 
Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Prop,

 

You find some wacked out, far Left Liberal who writes on the extreme yellow rag called Huffington Post -- and he does not like Conservative Christians!  Wow!  That has almost as much credibility as Obama's promise of Change in 2008 -- and the subsequent real Change we have all seen.

 

By the way, you tell us that his dad is a "religious right's guru."    Who is he?  I have never heard of a Schaeffer who is an evangelical leader -- in America or otherwise.   I have heard of plenty of wacked out people who call themselves evangelicals -- Robert Schuller, Benny Hinn,  Kenneth Copeland, Harold Camping -- the list could go on and on.  But, I find no Schaeffer there.  So, if this guy is supposed to be a Conservative Christian leader -- why have I never heard of him?   Maybe because I do not bother reading the Huffington Post?

 

Or, is this just an inept attempt to smear Conservative Christians?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

 

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A quick search turned up this...

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F...of_Church_Leadership

 

Why do you feel as if he can't be of importance if YOU have never heard of him....sounds like he was very well known figure in the Christian community. Maybe you are not as "in the know" as you think you are Bill.

Originally Posted by DarkAngel:

I agree Prop. Right wing religious nuts are growing in number and are starting to act in ways that to me are no different than the Islamic extremist. Christians want to deny it. They will say "they were never REAL Christians....whatever they want to call themselves they are driven by their belief in the God of the bible and they feel the need to kill and control by means of violence in his name.

 

Those who don't see what is happening in our country are just not paying attention. With Rick Perry, Michelle Bachmann, Huckabee, etc...we see the extreme religious right trying to move into powerful positions and they would like nothing more than to make this country a Theocracy. The hate they spew and the language they use is riling up the more radical Christian groups and we will see more attacks by these nuts before its all said and done.

 

Look into the financial backing that Rick Perry got for his Prayer-a-pah-looza. Those guys are scary as hell.

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I agree with part of this post, DA. But I don't think the "Religious Right" actually has a religious agenda. Rather, I think they are using religion as a way to sway some gullible people into voting they way they want them to.

 

I don't know what percentage of Americans are so easily manipulated, but I believe it is a LARGE percentage, and that it is equally divided between all sides - Republican, Democrat, independant. Christian, atheist, or any other religion.

 

I think the far right will do whatever it can to stir people up. It isn't because they care at all about religious matters. But if they keep crowing about "family values", anti-abortion, and anti- g a y marriage, they might get elected. And if they get elected, they can keep the tax breaks and incentives that their buddies in big business are getting, among other things.

 

 

 

Originally Posted by O No!:
But I don't think the "Religious Right" actually has a
religious agenda. Rather, I think they are using religion
as a way to sway some gullible people into voting
they way they want them to.

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I agree. With this being the Bible belt,

religious people hear a candidate

say he's a Christian or believes in

God, then he/she has their vote.

Nothing else matters.

Best, take a look at these numbers.

 

http://www.gallup.com/poll/118...ative-religious.aspx

 

Religiosity

A similar pattern is found when the three partisan groups are broken down into segments based on race, ethnicity, and religious intensity (among whites, as measured by church attendance).

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About half of Republicans are non-Hispanic whites who are strongly religious, defined as those who attend church about once a week or more frequently. Forty percent of Republicans are whites who attend less frequently.

Democrats, on the other hand, comprise only 20% highly religious whites, with more than twice as many whites who attend church less frequently. The pattern of church attendance among independents is similar to that among Democrats, but independents have higher percentages of whites in both the religious and the nonreligious categories.

Implications

A great deal of attention has been paid to the plight of Republicans who at this juncture in history find themselves not controlling the presidency, the House, or the Senate. Plus, numerous surveys conducted by Gallup and other firms have shown that the GOP appears to be suffering on a number of perceptual dimensions compared to the Democrats (as measured by Gallup and by other recent surveys).

The data reviewed here highlight an essential dilemma the Republicans face as they ponder their future. The Republican Party's constituency is overwhelmingly white -- and the significant majority of those whites are ideologically conservative, while a majority are highly religious, as defined by church attendance. The Democratic Party, on the other hand, has more than three times the percentage of nonwhites among its identifiers as does the GOP. And white Democrats are much more likely to be moderate or liberal than conservative, and are much more likely to be infrequent church attenders rather than frequent church attenders.

Does the Republican Party in essence "stick to the knitting" and cling to its core conservative principles? Or should the Republicans make an effort to expand their base -- among whites who are moderate or less religious, and/or the various nonwhite groups who to this point are largely ignoring the Republican Party in favor of the Democrats? The decision the party makes in response to this question could be pivotal in helping determine its future.

 

Maybe I am not understanding what you are trying to say. The Republican party is overwhelmingly Christian conservative. The Democratic party is not. Those are the facts, right? So how are Dems, doing it "just as much" as Republicans?

 

I am not saying there are NO religious people on the Dem side, just that their is a way less amount of politicking from the pulpit and legislating Christian ideals. Actually, as I said before I don't know of any legislation based on religion that has been passed or tried to be passed by the Dems.

 

This all started with why I have a hard time understanding atheist that support the Republican party. My reasons for that have stayed the same. They push a religious agenda. I can't support a party that would create a theocracy based on any religion. Christianity just happens to be the Republicans delusion of choice.

 

Who do you support for the next election? I'm just curious how you choose from the field of candidates. I would like to see Obama in the WH for another 4 years myself. I am not happy with everything he has done or not gotten done, but I see him as the lessor of the evils at this point.

I am saying, as on the other thread, that both parties use religion to push their agendas. Both. The democrats might not have as much a religious agenda but their plans for this country are no less dangerous or destructive to me than the religious right's. The religious nuts on the right at least believe what they push, the nuts on the left have just found it to be a useful tool that they can use without being attacked for it. Politics is an amazing thing. Both parties do the same things they attack each other for doing. The difference I see is, once again, the dems get a pass.

 

 I am in no way a newt gingrich supporter, never have been, yet they drag it up time and time again that he divorced his wife while she was in the hospital dying from cancer. Now nevermind the fact that same wife AND his daughter have said that is not true, the left  keeps repeating it. Along comes edwards who was having an affair and had a child with his mistress while his wife was dying from cancer, but all the while still campaigning for him, and not a peep from the left. They would have elected him and then would have done their best to re-elect him. Sara Palin is not my candidate either, but look on the politics forum and see how she is attacked daily. They love to question her intelligence and yet they elected obama/biden? I mean really? 

Last edited by Bestworking

I dunno, Best.  Repubs have successfully aligned themselves with Yahweh.  They have  very successfully claimed that if you are not a Republican you are not a Christian.

I also agree with you that Dems claim God just as much but their numbers are much smaller.  I recall a rather sickening speech from a regional Democrat politician about how godly he was before he got into the issue he was speaking about.  I won't mention names but the initials are Roger Bedford.

Best, there is such a thing as a conservative Democrat.  I'd vote for one in a heartbeat.  As much as Willie Clinton is derided, he was one of the most fiscally conservative presidents we've had in a while.  I'd have him or Reagan over any of the current contenders for the republican party . . . . Though I've got my eye on Romney. 

That may have to do with that party being forced into the party of religion.  When a dem is caught in a scandal, it's no big deal, expected. MSM doesn't even bother to print it.

 

But if a rep is caught, the condemnation starts about how could they be a republican and do such evil things, republicans have been put on a pedestal by the democrats.

 

Personally, I would prefer a party that is expected to have higher moral values over one that is accepted as sleazy.

Originally Posted by Unobtanium:

I dunno, Best.  Repubs have successfully aligned themselves with Yahweh.  They have  very successfully claimed that if you are not a Republican you are not a Christian.

I also agree with you that Dems claim God just as much but their numbers are much smaller.  I recall a rather sickening speech from a regional Democrat politician about how godly he was before he got into the issue he was speaking about.  I won't mention names but the initials are Roger Bedford.

Best, there is such a thing as a conservative Democrat.  I'd vote for one in a heartbeat.  As much as Willie Clinton is derided, he was one of the most fiscally conservative presidents we've had in a while.  I'd have him or Reagan over any of the current contenders for the republican party . . . . Though I've got my eye on Romney. 

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Clinton pushed for the world health care thing.

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