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SORRY, BARACK, BUT THERE WERE NO MUSLIMS ON THE MAYFLOWER

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Paul L. Williams, Ph.D.

Thelastcrusade.org

Speaking at the University of Cairo, President Barack Hussein Obama said that Americans are indebted to Islam for the great contributions Muslims have made to the history and development of the United States.

“I know that Islam has always been a part of America’s story,” Mr. Obama told the throng of unenlightened Muslims. “The first nation to recognize my country was Morocco. . . And since our founding, American Muslims have enriched the United States.”

Mr. Obama went on to say: “They [Muslims] have fought in our wars. They have served in our government. They have stood for civil rights. They have started businesses. They have taught at our universities. They’ve excelled in our sports arenas. They’ve won Nobel Prizes, built our tallest building and lit the Olympic torch. And when the first Muslim American was recently elected to Congress, he took the oath to defend our Constitution using the same holy Koran that one of our founding fathers, Thomas Jefferson, kept in his personal library.”

No one at the Egyptian University or the international media took issue with the President’s bizarre interpretation of American history, let alone his confusion of the Nation of Islam (the religion of Muhammad Ali and Malcolm X) that bears scant similarity to orthodox Islam. The Nation of Islam teach that Allah in the flesh was a bona fide nutcase named Wallace Fard and that Eli Muhammad, a conman with a tested IQ of 70 and not the Prophet Muhammad, was the true last prophet of Allah.

Let’s set the record straight once and for all.

Sorry, Barack Hussein, but there were no Muslims among the passengers on the Mayflower or the settlers at Jamestown. Muslims were conspicuously absent from the ranks of George Washington’s Army of the Revolution and played no role in the creation of the American republic - - save for the fact that the new country’s first declaration of war was against the forces of Islam in the form of the Barbary pirates.1

Despite popular folklore, few Muslims numbered among the 12 million black Africans who were shipped to the New World from the 17th to 19th centuries. The Muslims, in fact, were not the slaves but the slave traders. Senegalese educator Amadou-Mahtar M’Bow has written that in 1587 a shipload of Moriscos (Spanish Moors) landed in a coastal area of South Carolina. The Moors, he contends, migrated to the mountains of eastern Tennessee and western North Carolina where they established colonies.2 In reality, this is pure speculation. There is not a scintilla of archival or archaeological evidence to support this claim.

This is not to say that no Muslim slaves were transported to the colonies. Two such slaves - - Ayuiba Suleiman Diallo and Omar ibn Said - - were brought to America is 1731 but both were returned to Africa in 1734.3 In a Herculean effort to materialize at least one Muslim living in America before the Civil War, Muslims in America, an Islamic website, point to the name of Mahomet, the great grandson of Uncas, the founder of the Mohegan tribe, on a gravestone in Norwich, Connecticut.4 The name of this Native America, they argue, resembles that of the prophet, and, therefore, he must have been a convert to Islam.

In a similar example of straining at gnats, the compilers of The Collections and Stories of American Muslims, a non-profit organization, claim that Peter Salem, a former slave who fought at the Battle of Bunker Hill, must have been a Muslim since “Salem” bears an etymological resemblance to “Salaam,” the Arabic word for peace.5

For additional proof, the compilers turn to folklore, such as the story of Old Tom, a slave at a plantation in Georgia, who allegedly uttered, “Allah is God and Mohammed his Prophet” on his death-bed - - and the apocryphal tale of “Old Lizzy,” a slave from Edgefield County, who reportedly said, “Christ built His first church in Mecca.”6

Surprisingly, there is no record of any Islamic American among the enlisted and conscripted forces of World War I, let alone among the blue and grey armies of the Civil War. The great migrations that lasted from 1865 to 1925 brought 35,000,000 people to the New World: 4,500,000 from Ireland, 4,000,000 from Great Britain, 6,000,000 from central Europe, 2,000,000 from the Scandinavian countries, 5,000,000 from Italy, 8,000,000 from Eastern Europe, and 3,000,000 from the Balkans. But the number of Muslims who came here from the Middle East was statistically nil.7

In 1960, aside from the temples of the Nation of Islam, the only mosques in the United States were in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, Dearborn, Michigan, and Washington DC (which opened in 1957) - - and all three professed less than 200 active members. Four other cities contained miniature mosques with less than fifty members.8

Oh, yes, Jefferson did possess a copy of the Koran which Keith Ellison, our first openly Muslim Congressman, used to make his oath of office. But what was Jefferson opinion of Islam? Did he believe the Muslim religion represented a salubrious influence in world affairs? Far from it. In 1786 Thomas Jefferson, then US ambassador to France, and John Adams, then US Ambassador to Britain, met in London with Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja, the Dey’s ambassador to Britain, in an attempt to negotiate a peace treaty with the Barbary Pirates based on Congress’ vote of funding. To the US Congress these two future Presidents later reported the reasons for the Muslims’ hostility towards America, a nation with which they had no previous contacts.

“…that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise.”

Jefferson had it right.

Obama has it wrong.

No Muslims on the Mayflower

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“I know that Islam has always been a part of America’s story,” Mr. Obama told the throng of unenlightened Muslims. “The first nation to recognize my country was Morocco. . . And since our founding, American Muslims have enriched the United States.”

Mr. Obama went on to say: “They [Muslims] have fought in our wars. They have served in our government. They have stood for civil rights. They have started businesses. They have taught at our universities. They’ve excelled in our sports arenas. They’ve won Nobel Prizes, built our tallest building and lit the Olympic torch. And when the first Muslim American was recently elected to Congress, he took the oath to defend our Constitution using the same holy Koran that one of our founding fathers, Thomas Jefferson, kept in his personal library.”


Actually Obama was completely correct.Our nation and nations all across the world have been influenced by ALL the major religions. There were no Baptists, Presbyterians,Catholics, Coptic Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, or Evangelicals among those who crossed on the May Flower either. It is foolish to suggest that those religions or beliefs had no influence on our nation, either at its founding or since.

Muslims invented many things we used in the founding of this nation. Their inventions are an accepted part of our daily lives in many ways. Among them are the following:

Coffee
Pin Hole Camera
Chess
Parachute
Shampoo
Refinement (distillation)
The Crank Shaft
Metal Armor
Surgery
Numerical Numbering
Soup
Pay checks
Gardens
Rockets
Link
Among other things, such as:
Astronomy
Geography
Humanity
Mathematics
Medicine
Tools such as:
Compass
Navigation tools

Once again, we are carrying on the tradition of the Crusades by trying to pit religion against religion. I no more support the vilification of Muslims than I do Jews. We have a little thing in this Nation called "Freedom of Religion". Its in the Constitution - just in case you missed it. That means ALL religions, not just YOURS!
quote:
Originally posted by meanasasnake:
“I know that Islam has always been a part of America’s story,” Mr. Obama told the throng of unenlightened Muslims. “The first nation to recognize my country was Morocco. . . And since our founding, American Muslims have enriched the United States.”

Mr. Obama went on to say: “They [Muslims] have fought in our wars. They have served in our government. They have stood for civil rights. They have started businesses. They have taught at our universities. They’ve excelled in our sports arenas. They’ve won Nobel Prizes, built our tallest building and lit the Olympic torch. And when the first Muslim American was recently elected to Congress, he took the oath to defend our Constitution using the same holy Koran that one of our founding fathers, Thomas Jefferson, kept in his personal library.”


Actually Obama was completely correct.Our nation and nations all across the world have been influenced by ALL the major religions. There were no Baptists, Presbyterians,Catholics, Coptic Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, or Evangelicals among those who crossed on the May Flower either. It is foolish to suggest that those religions or beliefs had no influence on our nation, either at its founding or since.

Muslims invented many things we used in the founding of this nation. Their inventions are an accepted part of our daily lives in many ways. Among them are the following:

Coffee
Pin Hole Camera
Chess
Parachute
Shampoo
Refinement (distillation)
The Crank Shaft
Metal Armor
Surgery
Numerical Numbering
Soup
Pay checks
Gardens
Rockets
Link
Among other things, such as:
Astronomy
Geography
Humanity
Mathematics
Medicine
Tools such as:
Compass
Navigation tools

Once again, we are carrying on the tradition of the Crusades by trying to pit religion against religion. I no more support the vilification of Muslims than I do Jews. We have a little thing in this Nation called "Freedom of Religion". Its in the Constitution - just in case you missed it. That means ALL religions, not just YOURS!


Uh, are you a muslim? You sure seem to take offense at every turn.
quote:
Originally posted by meanasasnake:
“I know that Islam has always been a part of America’s story,” Mr. Obama told the throng of unenlightened Muslims. “The first nation to recognize my country was Morocco. . . And since our founding, American Muslims have enriched the United States.”

Mr. Obama went on to say: “They [Muslims] have fought in our wars. They have served in our government. They have stood for civil rights. They have started businesses. They have taught at our universities. They’ve excelled in our sports arenas. They’ve won Nobel Prizes, built our tallest building and lit the Olympic torch. And when the first Muslim American was recently elected to Congress, he took the oath to defend our Constitution using the same holy Koran that one of our founding fathers, Thomas Jefferson, kept in his personal library.”


Actually Obama was completely correct.Our nation and nations all across the world have been influenced by ALL the major religions. There were no Baptists, Presbyterians,Catholics, Coptic Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, or Evangelicals among those who crossed on the May Flower either. It is foolish to suggest that those religions or beliefs had no influence on our nation, either at its founding or since.

Muslims invented many things we used in the founding of this nation. Their inventions are an accepted part of our daily lives in many ways. Among them are the following:

Coffee
Pin Hole Camera
Chess
Parachute
Shampoo
Refinement (distillation)
The Crank Shaft
Metal Armor
Surgery
Numerical Numbering
Soup
Pay checks
Gardens
Rockets
Link
Among other things, such as:
Astronomy
Geography
Humanity
Mathematics
Medicine
Tools such as:
Compass
Navigation tools

Once again, we are carrying on the tradition of the Crusades by trying to pit religion against religion. I no more support the vilification of Muslims than I do Jews. We have a little thing in this Nation called "Freedom of Religion". Its in the Constitution - just in case you missed it. That means ALL religions, not just YOURS!


So, did the muslims fight for the North or the
South? I'm just trying to get this history lesson straight.
quote:
Originally posted by meanasasnake:
“I know that Islam has always been a part of America’s story,” Mr. Obama told the throng of unenlightened Muslims. “The first nation to recognize my country was Morocco. . . And since our founding, American Muslims have enriched the United States.”

Mr. Obama went on to say: “They [Muslims] have fought in our wars. They have served in our government. They have stood for civil rights. They have started businesses. They have taught at our universities. They’ve excelled in our sports arenas. They’ve won Nobel Prizes, built our tallest building and lit the Olympic torch. And when the first Muslim American was recently elected to Congress, he took the oath to defend our Constitution using the same holy Koran that one of our founding fathers, Thomas Jefferson, kept in his personal library.”


Actually Obama was completely correct.Our nation and nations all across the world have been influenced by ALL the major religions. There were no Baptists, Presbyterians,Catholics, Coptic Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, or Evangelicals among those who crossed on the May Flower either. It is foolish to suggest that those religions or beliefs had no influence on our nation, either at its founding or since.

Muslims invented many things we used in the founding of this nation. Their inventions are an accepted part of our daily lives in many ways. Among them are the following:

Coffee
Pin Hole Camera
Chess
Parachute
Shampoo
Refinement (distillation)
The Crank Shaft
Metal Armor
Surgery
Numerical Numbering
Soup
Pay checks
Gardens
Rockets
Link
Among other things, such as:
Astronomy
Geography
Humanity
Mathematics
Medicine
Tools such as:
Compass
Navigation tools

Once again, we are carrying on the tradition of the Crusades by trying to pit religion against religion. I no more support the vilification of Muslims than I do Jews. We have a little thing in this Nation called "Freedom of Religion". Its in the Constitution - just in case you missed it. That means ALL religions, not just YOURS!


Great little list there. Unfortunately, I could care less about pitting one religion against another. Or what inventions the Muslims brought to light.

I do care about Obuma either being a outright liar, or a buffoon who can't get his teleprompter on the right page.

I personally think he's a puppet, and we just haven't found out who's pulling the strings yet.
Queen snake,

Sorry, NO!
I know the parachute was not invented by muslims.

"Credit for the invention of the first practical parachute frequently goes to Sebastien Lenormand who demonstrated the parachute principle in 1783. However, parachutes had been imagined and sketched by Leonardo Da Vinci (1452-1519) centuries earlier.

Faust Vrancic - Homo Volans
Other early inventors designed parachutes, including Croatian Faust Vrancic who constructed a device based on Da Vinci's drawing. Faust Vrancic jumped from a Venice tower in 1617 wearing a rigid-framed parachute. Faust Vrancic published Machinae Novae, in which he describes in text and picture fifty-six advanced technical constructions, including Vrancic's parachute called the Homo Volans."

Link

Chess was as we know it, was devised by the Persians when they were zoroasterians. BTW, chess is now forbidden as haram in Iran.

I'll get back to you on the rest. For the last 500 years, islam has not added to the life of the mind.
quote:
Originally posted by meanasasnake:
“I know that Islam has always been a part of America’s story,” Mr. Obama told the throng of unenlightened Muslims. “The first nation to recognize my country was Morocco. . . And since our founding, American Muslims have enriched the United States.”

Mr. Obama went on to say: “They [Muslims] have fought in our wars. They have served in our government. They have stood for civil rights. They have started businesses. They have taught at our universities. They’ve excelled in our sports arenas. They’ve won Nobel Prizes, built our tallest building and lit the Olympic torch. And when the first Muslim American was recently elected to Congress, he took the oath to defend our Constitution using the same holy Koran that one of our founding fathers, Thomas Jefferson, kept in his personal library.”


Actually Obama was completely correct.Our nation and nations all across the world have been influenced by ALL the major religions. There were no Baptists, Presbyterians,Catholics, Coptic Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, or Evangelicals among those who crossed on the May Flower either. It is foolish to suggest that those religions or beliefs had no influence on our nation, either at its founding or since.

Muslims invented many things we used in the founding of this nation. Their inventions are an accepted part of our daily lives in many ways. Among them are the following:

Coffee
Pin Hole Camera
Chess
Parachute
Shampoo
Refinement (distillation)
The Crank Shaft
Metal Armor
Surgery
Numerical Numbering
Soup
Pay checks
Gardens
Rockets
Link
Among other things, such as:
Astronomy
Geography
Humanity
Mathematics
Medicine
Tools such as:
Compass
Navigation tools

Once again, we are carrying on the tradition of the Crusades by trying to pit religion against religion. I no more support the vilification of Muslims than I do Jews. We have a little thing in this Nation called "Freedom of Religion". Its in the Constitution - just in case you missed it. That means ALL religions, not just YOURS!


You care to provide any evidence of your claims?

Rockets are believed to be first used in China according to this.

Link
Here ya go:

Link

19) Rocket and Torpedo
Though the Chinese invented saltpetre gunpowder, and used it in their fireworks, it was the Arabs who worked out that it could be purified using potassium nitrate for military use. Muslim incendiary devices terrified the Crusaders. By the 15th century they had invented both a rocket, which they called a "self-moving and combustive egg", and a torpedo - a self-propelled pear-shaped bomb with a spear at the front which impaled itself in enemy ships and then blew up.

Link
Queen snake,

Rockets, sorry NO!

There are records of rockets back to the 4th century AD.

"The date reporting the first use of true rockets was in 1232. At this time, the Chinese and the Mongols were at war with each other. During the battle of Kai-Keng, the Chinese repelled the Mongol invaders by a barrage of "arrows of flying fire." These fire-arrows were a simple form of a solid-propellant rocket. A tube, capped at one end, contained gunpowder. The other end was left open and the tube was attached to a long stick. When the powder was ignited, the rapid burning of the powder produced fire, smoke, and gas that escaped out the open end and produced a thrust. The stick acted as a simple guidance system that kept the rocket headed in one general direction as it flew through the air. It is not clear how effective these arrows of flying fire were as weapons of destruction, but their psychological effects on the Mongols must have been formidable."

Link

The mongol use is well known among historians.
quote:
Originally posted by interventor1:
Queen snake,

Sorry, NO!
I know the parachute was not invented by muslims.

"Credit for the invention of the first practical parachute frequently goes to Sebastien Lenormand who demonstrated the parachute principle in 1783. However, parachutes had been imagined and sketched by Leonardo Da Vinci (1452-1519) centuries earlier.

Faust Vrancic - Homo Volans
Other early inventors designed parachutes, including Croatian Faust Vrancic who constructed a device based on Da Vinci's drawing. Faust Vrancic jumped from a Venice tower in 1617 wearing a rigid-framed parachute. Faust Vrancic published Machinae Novae, in which he describes in text and picture fifty-six advanced technical constructions, including Vrancic's parachute called the Homo Volans."

Link

Chess was as we know it, was devised by the Persians when they were zoroasterians. BTW, chess is now forbidden as haram in Iran.

I'll get back to you on the rest. For the last 500 years, islam has not added to the life of the mind.


Actually there seems to be several online references to early parachutes :

According to historian Robert Temple, Chinese texts described a form of parachute 21 centuries ago.[1] In 9th century Al-Andalus, Abbas Ibn Firnas (Armen Firnas) developed a parachute, and Ali Ben Isa also created one of the earliest versions of a parachute [2][3][4][5] which John H. Lienhard described in The Engines of Our Ingenuity as "a huge winglike cloak to break his fall" when he "decided to fly off a tower in Cordova".[6]

A conical parachute appears for the first time in the 1470s in an Italian manuscript, slightly preceding Leonardo da Vinci's conical parachute designs.[7] It was intended as an escape device to allow people to jump from burning buildings, but there is no evidence that it was actually ever used. Leonardo da Vinci sketched a parachute while he was living in Milan around 1480-1483: a pyramid-shaped canopy held open by a square wooden frame.

Link
"Uh, are you a muslim? You sure seem to take offense at every turn."

Of course not. I am a Christian. I simply don't adhere to the belief that Muslims are all the "enemy". Even if that were true, we will NEVER eradicate Islam from the planet. Islam has been around for over a thousand years now. It is the second largest of the worlds religions and the fastest growing. We deal with them every day in one way or the other.
quote:
Originally posted by Kane Kounty Ken:
quote:
Originally posted by Blackacre.:
quote:
"...a self-propelled pear-shaped bomb with a spear at the front which impaled itself in enemy ships and then blew up."


Something makes me believe this one might be accurate...



Something makes me believe everyone is googling like H E double hockey Big Grin sticks...


Yeah....I know I had to Google something a few minutes ago...and the Goog was smoking...
quote:
Originally posted by meanasasnake:
Once again, we are carrying on the tradition of the Crusades by trying to pit religion against religion. I no more support the vilification of Muslims than I do Jews. We have a little thing in this Nation called "Freedom of Religion". Its in the Constitution - just in case you missed it. That means ALL religions, not just YOURS!

I continue to be amazed at the constant references to the Crusades...check your history. The Crusades were defensive, in response to muslim aggression and occupation of the Holy Land.
In the Star Trek episode, Bread and Circuses," a Rome like society progressed to 20th century technology. References are made to a secret cult dedicated to the sun godm which is persecuted by the Romans. At the end, Uhuru realized she mistranslated -- the sect worships the son of god. Kirk and the rest seem to accept the nature of this.

BTW, Warf is jewish!
Queen snake,

Sorry, but NO, again!

Metal Armor – ancient Greeks and Persians used metal armor. Romans used metal breastplates, helmets and greaves of steel.

Surgery – Greeks were the first. Roman military hospitals rivaled those of the late 19th century, complete with sterilization of surgical instruments, although they didn’t know germ theory. Roman surgical instrument resemble those of the early 20th century.

Numerical Numbering – so called Arabic numbers are actually Phoenician. Dating from the time of Troy.

Gardens -- Hanging Gardens of Babylon strike a note?

Astronomy – Zoroastrian Persians, as in the Magi.

Mathematics – algebra, yes. Geometry, square roots, etc go back at least to the Greeks. Sumerian tablets contain square root schedules.

Medicine – ancient Egyptians, although their best doctor was a Greek (Aescapulus). The staff of Aescapulus with the snake around it is the symbol of medicine.

Refinement (distillation) – “The first evidence of distillation comes from Babylonia and dates from the 2nd millennium B.C.” Link

Pin Hole Camera or camera obscura – “The first mention of the principles behind the pinhole camera, a precursor to the camera obscura, belongs to Mozi (470 BC to 390 BC), a Chinese philosopher and the founder of Mohism.The Mohist tradition is unusual in Chinese thought because it is concerned with developing principles of logic. The Greek philosopher Aristotle (384 to 322 BC) understood the optical principle of the pinhole camera. He viewed the crescent shape of a partially eclipsed sun projected on the ground through the holes in a sieve, and the gaps between leaves of a plane tree.”
Link

The muslims used the same trick as the Soviets, claiming to invent everything first.

I will give them credit for coffee, which, they did well.
Queen snake lives in the present of lawyers. Six, I believe. Lawyers, while intelligent, tend to be cloistered in their learning -- much about the law and not much else. Which, I guess is better than being a journalist, whom are thinly educated, period.

I'm surprised she didn't recognize many of the claims were patently false, just from history learned in high school.

But, then I am a product of the old public school system -- which did teach and insist that students learn.

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