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Originally posted by themax:
Bill, you preach so hard to us in Alabama, why don't you do the same in your home state. You live where people seem to love homosexuals. Why do you not speak to those ??

Hi Max,

Why, thank you for that suggestion! I would never have thought of doing that! By the way -- I am proud to tell the world that Alabama IS my home state! Possibly you do not understand what is meant by "home state." That is where one is born and grew up. I am a proud product of Tuscumbia and Sheffield. Where were you born?

Actually, I have been doing a writing ministry, not only in California and Alabama -- but, around the world for over twenty years.

When Jesus told us to Go, Make disciples, Baptize them, Teach them (Matthew 28:19-20) and to be "His witnesses" in our Jerusalem (our family and community), in our Judea (our state) and our Samaria (our nation) -- and to all the world (Matthew 28:19, Acts 1:8, Mark 16:15) -- I am quite sure He did not mean only California. And, I am very positive that when He said "to all the world" -- He was not excluding Alabama.

And, on top of this Scriptural guidance -- the Shoals is my home town -- and I still have lots of family, friends, and classmates there. So, in that sense, the Shoals is also a part of my Jerusalem.

Yet, my question to you is: Why do you write in the Religion Forum? Are you here to defeat God and all who wish to share God? Or, are you here to beat down anyone who does not claim membership in YOUR church? Keep in mind that when Jesus tells us to share the Gospel in our Jerusalem -- you are responsible for your whole Jerusalem -- not just those in your church.

Max, I pray that we have a good understanding now. By the way, where are you from? If you will notice, in my posts you can read that I was: Born in Tuscumbia; Grew up in Sheffield (Go Dawgs!); and live in Southern California.

All you say is that you live on a Mountain. Are you some kind of Tibetan monk living in a cave? Or are you truly a resident of the Shoals area? Given the restrictions you want to place on me -- where should you be preaching?

Just a thought!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Bill is your church part of the California Southern Baptist Convention?



http://www.csbc.com/article5130.htm

California Southern Baptist Convention

VII. Baptism and the Lord's Supper

Christian baptism is the immersion of a believer in water in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. It is an act of obedience symbolizing the believer's faith in a crucified, buried, and risen Saviour, the believer's death to sin, the burial of the old life, and the resurrection to walk in newness of life in Christ Jesus. It is a testimony to his faith in the final resurrection of the dead. Being a church ordinance, it is prerequisite to the privileges of church membership and to the Lord's Supper.

The Lord's Supper is a symbolic act of obedience whereby members of the church, through partaking of the bread and the fruit of the vine, memorialize the death of the Redeemer and anticipate His second coming.
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
When Jesus told us to Go, Teach them (Matthew 28:19-20) and to be "His witnesses"

I still have lots of family, friends, and classmates there.
Bill


Teach? Witness? I'm sorry, Bill, but you are not much of either one.
You kind of push people to run the other way.

Does your family/friends/classmates know what a fool you make of yourself on here?
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Originally posted by b50m:
Bill is your church part of the California Southern Baptist Convention?

http://www.csbc.com/article5130.htm

California Southern Baptist Convention

VII. Baptism and the Lord's Supper

Christian baptism is the immersion of a believer in water in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. It is an act of obedience symbolizing the believer's faith in a crucified, buried, and risen Saviour, the believer's death to sin, the burial of the old life, and the resurrection to walk in newness of life in Christ Jesus. It is a testimony to his faith in the final resurrection of the dead. Being a church ordinance, it is prerequisite to the privileges of church membership and to the Lord's Supper.

The Lord's Supper is a symbolic act of obedience whereby members of the church, through partaking of the bread and the fruit of the vine, memorialize the death of the Redeemer and anticipate His second coming.

Hi B50,

No, my church is affiliated with the Baptist General Conference. Yet, most of our beliefs and teachings are the same as the Southern Baptists. And, even where we differ, it is mostly on minor issues.

Most SBC churches practice a communion which is only for members of that particular local church. In the BGC, we believe that anyone who is a Christian believer can receive communion with us. Our pastor explains the communion elements and that only believers are to receive communion. He also explains that we do not look down upon those who are not believers and do not participate with us -- and that we pray that one day that person will be a believer and will join us in communion.

As the article above from the SBC Articles of Faith tells us, "The Lord's Supper is a symbolic act of obedience. . ." It is one of two ordinances we do in remembrance of Him until He returns: Baptism and Communion. Both are acts of obedience done in remembrance of Him and the work He finished on the cross.

Southern Baptist are generally more formal in their membership requirements. Typically, they require a letter of membership be in the church office and, when moving to another local, one is to take that membership letter to their next Southern Baptist church.

Personally, I will not sign a letter or contract with any church. The only contract I have is with my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ -- and, that is written on my heart.

The only thing I have against the Southern Baptist Convention is that it has become seriously infected with the Calvinism bug. Some years ago, a Jewish Messianic Christian was on my Friends Ministry mail list. He and I were talking one day and he mentioned that his pastor was very Calvinistic. Surprised, I told him, "I thought you are in a Baptist church." And, he told me, "Yes, a Southern Baptist church."

One of my two best friends in high school has been a Ph.D. in Divinity and a pastor/evangelist for over fifty years. Since he is a staunch Southern Baptist -- I sent him an e-mail asking about this. And, he confirmed that, in the past 20 to 30 years, the SBC has been growing more and more Calvinist -- and that about half their Seminaries are now Calvinistic in their teachings.

In the past ten years, I have spent time in two Southern Baptist churches -- both start-ups or church plants. The first most definitely was not Calvinistic. When the second church plant began several years ago, some of the group invited a pastor friend who was interested in church planting. When we first met and I was told that he is with the SBC, I asked if he is Calvinist. He did not answer the question -- and two years later, he has not answered the question. Yet, in the year that I was in that church, I only heard one sermon which could be Calvinistic.

This is something I have found to be common with many people, especially pastors, who are Calvinist -- they will either ignore the question or will tell you, "I'm not Calvinist -- but I do believe in the Doctrines of Grace." Well, my Friend, if one Googles "Doctrines of Grace" what you will find is the Five Points of Calvinism -- with a blanket called Doctrines of Grace covering them.

So, B50, no I am not a Southern Baptist. I will attend Southern Baptist churches -- but, before I become an active member in that local church, or any local church -- I will first confirm that it does not teach Calvinism.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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The only contract I have is with my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ -- and, that is written on my heart.

You are a very lucky man; I have to sign contracts with just about everything I use day to day. ex: satellite service is for 2 yrs... my home owners contract is for 15 yrs. If I don't fulfill my contract then I will be sued!
Your really a lucky individual; No court in this country would prosecute a person for not fulfilling their contract with Jesus.
You are truly a lucky and good human.. I have always heard and actually believe that the Lord will provide; from now on.. I am going to let Jesus sign my contracts for insurance and etc.
From the Baptist General Conference:

http://www.convergeworldwide.org/content/view/194/69/

1. The Word of God
We believe that the Bible is the Word of God, fully inspired and without error in the original manuscripts, written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, and that it has supreme authority in all matters of faith and conduct.

9. The Ordinances
We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ has committed two ordinances to the local church: baptism and the Lord's Supper. We believe that Christian baptism is the immersion of a believer in water into the name of the triune God. We believe that the Lord's Supper was instituted by Christ for commemoration of His death. We believe that these two ordinances should be observed and administered until the return of the Lord Jesus Christ.



Seems that your conference will only state 'inerrant' in the original manuscripts and that baptism involves water. Which is how many of those on here feel. Do you disagree with this conference as well?
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ll you say is that you live on a Mountain. Are you some kind of Tibetan monk living in a cave? Or are you truly a resident of the Shoals area? Given the restrictions you want to place on me -- where should you be preaching?


Bill, I could give you some kind of cute answer,the type you always seem to give.But I'm going to give you a straight one.

I was born and reared in Lauderdale Co. I now live In Franklin Co. 'on the mountain' as I like to refer to it.
I haven't noticed and Tibetan monks around lately. But have seen quite a few rattlesnakes.

The reason I write in the religion section, not the only section I post in, by the way, is because I see, what I believe to be, false doctrine being presented here.
Also, I enjoy reading other peoples ideas and the reason they believe like they do.
It is not my job to 'preach' but to rather read and when it seems right to respond.

As in the case where someone asked you about who you served. I felt,at the time, it was a silly question.
As time passed and you would never just give a simple answer,like I do not serve Satan.
I started picking on you for not giving such a simple answer, thus ending this foolishness that has gone on to long.
Which,by the way, you still haven't done. All though you have everything but.
That leads me to believe what I think was B-50's statement that your worst sin is one of pride.
All that being said, my fingers are tired from all this typing since I rarely type but the bare number of words I can get by with.

As for the cute little political remark, I haven't decided if I'm going to run for the mayor of Cherokee yet.
I'm going to leave that up to semi, maybe we can form an committee against COBRA.

Before I forget, I've been on the T.D forums before it was redone in 06. I think Joy, Nashbama and Beternu were all around back then.
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Originally posted by themax:
Bill,
I now live In Franklin Co. 'on the mountain' as I like to refer to it.
I haven't noticed and Tibetan monks around lately. But have seen quite a few rattlesnakes.
I haven't noticed and Tibetan monks around lately. But have seen quite a few rattlesnakes.

Also, I enjoy reading other peoples ideas and the reason they believe like they do.

All that being said, my fingers are tired from all this typing since I rarely type but the bare number of words I can get by with.

As for the cute little political remark, I haven't decided if I'm going to run for the mayor of Cherokee yet.
I'm going to leave that up to semi, maybe we can form an committee against COBRA.


I have family on that same mountain. They tell me they've saw those Rattlesnakes too.
(makes me shudder!!) I'll be sure to asked if they're seen any of those monks, but it's doubtful they have.

I also enjoy reading the different ideas & the reasons behind them.

Your fingers may be tired but I enjoyed your post.

As for political office, I wouldn't make a good political anything.
You run for mayor & I'll give thought to being your campaign manager. Big Grin
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Originally posted by b50m:
From the Baptist General Conference:

http://www.convergeworldwide.org/content/view/194/69/

1. The Word of God
We believe that the Bible is the Word of God, fully inspired and without error in the original manuscripts, written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, and that it has supreme authority in all matters of faith and conduct.

9. The Ordinances
We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ has committed two ordinances to the local church: baptism and the Lord's Supper. We believe that Christian baptism is the immersion of a believer in water into the name of the triune God. We believe that the Lord's Supper was instituted by Christ for commemoration of His death. We believe that these two ordinances should be observed and administered until the return of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Seems that your conference will only state 'inerrant' in the original manuscripts and that baptism involves water. Which is how many of those on here feel. Do you disagree with this conference as well?

Hi B,

I am not really sure what point you are trying to make. I agree with this excerpt from the BGC Statement of Beliefs completely. Not a problem.

So, what is your question or point?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Seems that your conference will only state 'inerrant' in the original manuscripts and that baptism involves water. Which is how many of those on here feel. Do you disagree with this conference as well?


Right there Bill. Did you read the question?
The Bible is inerrant only in the original manuscripts and baptism is by water and necessary.
Do you agree?
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Originally posted by daddy-duck:
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The only contract I have is with my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ -- and, that is written on my heart.

You are a very lucky man; I have to sign contracts with just about everything I use day to day. ex: satellite service is for 2 yrs... my home owners contract is for 15 yrs. If I don't fulfill my contract then I will be sued!
Your really a lucky individual; No court in this country would prosecute a person for not fulfilling their contract with Jesus.
You are truly a lucky and good human.. I have always heard and actually believe that the Lord will provide; from now on.. I am going to let Jesus sign my contracts for insurance and etc.

Hi Duck,

If you relate your spiritual life to your material life -- then, you have a bigger problem than not agreeing with Bill Gray.

Yes, I am a very blessed man -- for I know that Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior -- and that I have His personal promise that I will spend eternity in the presence of God. You can also have His promise if you will believe what He tells us in John 6:47.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Seems that your conference will only state 'inerrant' in the original manuscripts and that baptism involves water. Which is how many of those on here feel. Do you disagree with this conference as well?


Right there Bill. Did you read the question?
The Bible is inerrant only in the original manuscripts and baptism is by water and necessary.
Do you agree? Yes or no?
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Originally posted by themax:
As for the cute little political remark, I haven't decided if I'm going to run for the mayor of Cherokee yet.

Hi Max,

Just as a reminder -- our dialogue began with you original post:

Bill, you preach so hard to us in Alabama, why don't you do the same in your home state. You live where people seem to love homosexuals. Why do you not speak to those??

My Friend, I am just as much an Alabamian as you. And, I still have strong roots in Alabama. So, why do you declare that I should not be posting on an Alabama Forum? Not sure how you define a home state -- but, I was born and raised right in the Tri-Cities -- attended Sheffield High and played varsity basketball for SHS. I would say I am a home town boy.

Do you see where I felt that you were getting a bit too nasty?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

I used to post this all the time on my posts. It still fits.

Bred in Alabama,
Fed in California,
Blessed by God to be a Christian American!

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Originally posted by b50m:
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Seems that your conference will only state 'inerrant' in the original manuscripts and that baptism involves water. Which is how many of those on here feel. Do you disagree with this conference as well?

Right there Bill. Did you read the question?
The Bible is inerrant only in the original manuscripts and baptism is by water and necessary. Do you agree? Yes or no?

Hi B,

Yes, I agree with the inerrancy statement and I agree that baptism is by full immersion. However, show me where it says that baptism is necessary for salvation.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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So you agree the Bible is only inerrant in the original manuscripts, not copies we have today?

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We believe that these two ordinances should be observed and administered until the return of the Lord Jesus Christ.



So you don't think an ordinance from Jesus should be followed? Why have it if it not necessary for salvation?
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Originally posted by b50m:
So you agree the Bible is only inerrant in the original manuscripts, not copies we have today?
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From the Baptist General Conference web site:
We believe that these two ordinances should be observed and administered until the return of the Lord Jesus Christ.

So you don't think an ordinance from Jesus should be followed? Why have it if it not necessary for salvation?

Hi B,

Possibly you do not understand the meaning of an ordinance, So, let's take a look at what a Baptist web site tells us about Ordinances, i.e., the Two Ordinances Jesus Christ left for all believers:

BAPTIST DISTINCTIVES: Two Ordinances: Baptism and Communion http://www.freesundayschoolles...aptist-distinctives/

Definition: An ordinance is an authoritative rule, law, decree, or command. In Christianity it is a symbolic act or ceremony, commanded (thus ordained) by Christ. It is to be distinguished from a sacrament, which is a visible sign that imparts grace or symbolizes the impartation of grace. The difference is very significant. We practice the immersion of the believer in water and observe the Lord’s Supper because we have been commanded to do so by Christ. Such ceremonies do not confer or secure additional grace. The ordinances do not aid in one’s salvation.

Baptists recognize and practice two local church ordinances: baptism and the Lord’s Supper.

Baptism: Why do we baptize?

Christ clearly commands believers to be baptized and to baptize others. The NT pattern is belief followed by baptism. All believers should be baptized.

Matthew 28:19-20, "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you."

The Lord’s Supper: What is the purpose of the Lord’s Supper?

Texts: Luke 22:14-20; 1 Cor 11:23-31

The Lord’s Supper (or Communion) is a ceremony or ritual designed to remind believers of the death of the Lord Jesus. The believer should also take time during this ceremony to evaluate his own spiritual condition, confessing and repenting of sin if necessary. The Lord’s Supper should be a serious time of reflection and worship, producing joy and thanksgiving in the believer’s life.

B50, I pray this sheds more light on the ordinances and why we practice them.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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