Speaking of unanswered questions-

Jennifer, my Friend,

Simple answer, using a secular world maxim:   "When in Rome, do as the Romans do!"

So, since America was founded as a Christian nation, the Christian faith should be found in our schools and public life.   Works for me.

You claim to not believe in God.  Okay, and all the religions you have touted are New Age religions.  Does that mean that your faith is no longer atheism, but instead you have become a New Ager -- possibly following the New Age goddesses Shirley and Oprah?

Good luck with that!

GOD bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Crusty, my Friend,

Not to be nasty, but, my Friend -- I HAVE NEVER seen your do anything successfully.  Except maybe to make such false huffing and puffing atheist statements, such as this one.

Bless your little deceitful heart!

Bill

Bill, this has benn explained numerous times to you. The United States of America was not founded as a Christian nation. It was founded to be a nation where all religions were welcome. Most of the founding fathers were Deists not Christian.

Looks like bill is trying to take over and make it about what he wants to talk about.  Let me repeat--would you want your god and religion taught in schools if it was taught like all the old mythical gods and religions? In other words, making no mistake that your god and religion is a myth only? If you say no, that you want it taught as either real or a possibility, shouldn't we change the way all the other ancient gods are viewed, and teach that they are ALL either real or a possibility? 

Maybe I should change it to read-your god, your beliefs-your interpretations-your denomination. Are you willing to have your beliefs taught the same as ALL OTHER gods and ancient religions are taught, and that is as myths.

as i've said before.. lets put religion back in schools.. lets teach it in a class.. and in under a year. .the same fundys will be leading the charge to remove it. it'll be fun to watch!

I LOVE TO SEE THE ATHEISTS SQUIRM

WHEN I REMIND THEM THAT AMERICA

WAS INDEED FOUNDED AS A

CHRISTIAN NATION!

Your all missing her point,

     Even if you choose Christianity. Which form or version do you dictate to others? 

Skippy

i'm not missing any point.. you have to teach them all, equally. bill doesn't believe that.. his religion founded america. from god's mouth to bill's ear. the bible will be the text book.. bill will write the study guide.

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I'm surprised Bill hasn't chewed you out yet for your mistake yet. It's.....From Bill's mouth to God's ear.

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He's done the same thing to my topic's. I don't read his post but I see that he does post & it's always been the same old, same old with him so I can't imagine anything has changed.

He see's this forum as his, wants it to be all about him & hopes he can run everyone off that doesn't read his garbage. He loves those couple of people that love to argue with him, they help him keep his ravings on here.

I'm thinking of leaving & moving on to greener pastures. This one is not interesting anymore.

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Well, Bill is the Jim Jones of the forums.  The only difference is that no one here will drink his Kool Ade.

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Hey skippy. Yes, that and the question, do they want it taught as a possibility, truth, or a myth? If they choose truth or possibility, are they willing to accept all ancient gods/religions being taught as being possible or the truth. I doubt any of them will answer. As for bill, I'm not really interested in his answers.

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Just block him.

Best, you are too all-inclusive when you imply that all  "believers" fit the category you describe, i.e. those who would want their god and their religion taught in the public schools, and when you opine that none of these believers are willing to state just which god and which religion should be taught.

Best, I believe you are too all-inclusive when you imply that all "believers" fit the category you describe, i.e. those who would want their god and their religion taught in the public schools, and when you opine that none of these believers are willing to state just which god and which religion should be taught.

The record will show that in numerous instances on this forum, I have strongly argued that the public school system--an arm of government--is should not have the authority to teach any religion, where such teaching is for the purpose of endorsing such religion(s), gaining adherents to any religion or providing a venue for sectarian religious expression.  I have not objected to teaching about religion in the public schools and I have repeatedly pointed out the numerous legal and constitutionally-permissible opportunities for voluntary, student-initiated, student-directed religious expression within the public school setting, as described in detail in materials jointly produced by the ACLU and a large group of religions bodies (and largely ignored by theocrats such as our resident Christian Nationalist, Bill Gray and others).

You ask:  [W]ould you want your god and religion taught in schools if it was taught like all the old mythical gods and religions? In other words, making no mistake that your god and religion is a myth only? If you say no, that you want it taught as either real or a possibility, shouldn't we change the way all the other ancient gods are viewed, and teach that they are ALL either real or a possibility?”

To which I would reply:  Let the public schools offer courses in religion and let them describe such beliefs and practices as those you have cited, without endorsement or demurrer. I do not know anything about your children, but I have confidence that mine, when they were in the public school system, would not have become proselytized to the polytheistic notions of Greek mythology, irrespective of the depth of detail to which the curriculum might have exposed them to such asininity.  Same goes for New Age stuff, which my kids, having minds of their own, would have just laughed that silliness off at school as they laughed it off at home. 

Folks who want their children instructed in religion and taught how to perform religious devotions need to do that at home and in whatever church, synagogue, mosque, coven, or other setting they choose.  Strangely, many of the same conservatives/evangelicals who covet the return of school-system (government)--endorsed prayer and religious exercises are those same folks who demand that the government stay out of their private and personal business, yet are willing to let government get right into the middle of that most personal and private business of inculcating religion into their impressionable school-age children.

There are posters here that post they want religion taught in schools. There is one specifically I had in mind, but there are others. I'm not interested in bill's opinions for obvious reasons. Your argument is the same as mine, and something I've stated over and over-there are plenty of places kids can be taught anything about religion their parents want, even private schools. There is no reason on earth that it should be taught in public schools. But some persist. So, since some insist it should be taught, I say it should be taught as all other ancient religions, as a myth. I want to know if they'd be OK with that, and which denomination or "flavor" of that religion should be addressed, or admit that to be fair, all beliefs would have to be covered. That wouldn't leave much time for the three "R's". You would be sending kids to state sponsored religious learning centers. That is not what schools are supposed to be. 

Best, you are too all-inclusive when you imply that all  "believers" fit the category you describe, i.e. those who would want their god and their religion taught in the public schools, and when you opine that none of these believers are willing to state just which god and which religion should be taught.

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No where did I imply that all believers fit what I described. What I posted was this:

 When the believers/pretend believers, on the forum state that god/beliefs should be taught in schools

Pretty simple, if you don't make those statements you aren't included in that post.

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Point taken.  I hereby modify my statement to say that you have alleged that  "the believers/pretend believers, on the forum state that god/beliefs should be taught in schools. " You did not use the word "all", but the implication clearly was that all those on the forum in those categories are included in your statement. I and a few others on this forum are believers but do not share the notion that religion ought to be taught in the schools in any such way as to endorse or promote any particular belief system.

You could have made yourself perfectly clear if you had used the word "some" before "believers" in the first line of your original post.

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I've had Bill blocked for months. That's why I said I don't read his post.

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Compared to Bill Gray, Jim Jones was sane.

Chick, my Friend,

Thank you!  You have put me in very good company when you tell folks, "I've had Bill BLOCKED for months!"

You have had God, Jesus Christ, and the Bible BLOCKED for years.   So, thank you for including me in that glorious company. 

But, I can get my chuckles and just grin -- FOR I KNOW YOU WILL NOT SEE THIS!   After all, you never peek through the banisters!   Smile, God loves you!

Bless your BLOCKED little heart!

Bill

Hey Best, back at ya.

     I do not think anyone should dictate their beliefs, whether they think they're the all-mighty or not. Especially in our schools. 

    It reminds me of how the Socialist/ Communist Professors in our so manny liberal university/ colleges. And even our primary/ high schools are brain washing our youth. I should say poisoning. 

Religion would do the same thing. Soooo many beliefs.

Skippy

Hey skippy, hang around for a while, we missed you.

Ya, you got that right, Skippy...

Even the christian bible refers to other gods:

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/gods.html

Never mind the 3500 or so deities humans have dreamed up over time.

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 Yes, the Bible does refer to other gods, and here is something the Bible says about them, in Psalm 115:

115 Not unto us, O Lord, not unto us, but unto thy name give glory, for thy mercy, and for thy truth's sake.

2 Wherefore should the heathen say, Where is now their God?

3 But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.

4 Their idols are silver and gold, the work of men's hands.

5 They have mouths, but they speak not: eyes have they, but they see not:

6 They have ears, but they hear not: noses have they, but they smell not:

7 They have hands, but they handle not: feet have they, but they walk not: neither speak they through their throat.

8 They that make them are like unto them; so is every one that trusteth in them.

Not much by way of endorsement of those other gods of pagan idolatrous origin and certainly not any kind of recognition of them as having any kind of life.

Puppy--That lengthy list of scriptures is an attempt, I suppose, to argue show the Bible actually recognizes other "gods" and having any life, power, or authority, but it  accomplishes nothing of the kind.  Worship of various "gods" was prominent among many ancient peoples.  The acknowledgement of the existence of these false gods is by no means a recognition that any of them had life, power, or authority.

 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Can be interpreted to mean that, yes, there are other gods, but this one wants to be the big kahuna.

Horse crap.  If yer gonna believe in skydaddies-believe in ALL of them or none of them.  Best nailed it.

Just because the guys who wrote *your god's* book say he's the one true god, that makes it fact?  That alone invalidates the other 3400 gods?
No offense intended, but I actually thought you were smarter than that.

One day *we* will be those "ancient peoples."