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Hi Smokey,

 

Earlier, when you posted about "John of the Cross" I asked you:

 

I cannot seem to find a "Saint John of the Cross" in my Bible.  I find the apostle John and John the Baptist -- but, no John of the Cross.

 

Will you please give me a Scripture reference where I can find him.

 

Thank you and God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,  Bill

 

And, you told me I was being hateful.  Why is asking for Biblical truth being hateful?  The apostle Paul exhorts us in Acts 17:11 to test the teaching and the teacher against Scripture.  That is what I am doing.  I am asking you where you find "Saint John of the Cross" in the Bible.

 

You seem to be implying this is Biblical; so, if it is -- show me.

 

2 Timothy 4:3-4, "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths."

 

If what you post is not Biblical, i.e., not factual -- is it not a myth?  If it is Biblically true, show me the verse.  That is all I am asking.  And, no, I am not being hateful; I am only asking that when we post something as being Biblically true -- that it be Biblically true.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Smokey,

 

Earlier, when you posted about "John of the Cross" I asked you:

 

I cannot seem to find a "Saint John of the Cross" in my Bible.  I find the apostle John and John the Baptist -- but, no John of the Cross.

 

Will you please give me a Scripture reference where I can find him.

 

Thank you and God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,  Bill

 

And, you told me I was being hateful.  Why is asking for Biblical truth being hateful?  The apostle Paul exhorts us in Acts 17:11 to test the teaching and the teacher against Scripture.  That is what I am doing.  I am asking you where you find "Saint John of the Cross" in the Bible.

 

You seem to be implying this is Biblical; so, if it is -- show me.

 

2 Timothy 4:3-4, "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths."

 

If what you post is not Biblical, i.e., not factual -- is it not a myth?  If it is Biblically true, show me the verse.  That is all I am asking.  And, no, I am not being hateful; I am only asking that when we post something as being Biblically true -- that it be Biblically true.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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I never said this came from the Bible nor did I ever imply it was biblical. It's the thoughts of a Saint. The same as if President Obama, Mother Teresa or Sam the Ragman  commented on matters of religion.

Your hatred of the Catholic Church seems to be frustrating you.

 

quote:   Originally Posted by smokey1:
I never said this came from the Bible nor did I ever imply it was biblical.  It's the thoughts of a Saint.  The same as if President Obama, Mother Teresa, or Sam the Ragman commented on matters of religion.  Your hatred of the Catholic Church seems to be frustrating you.

Hi Smokey,

 

Your cries of "You hate the Roman Catholic church" when I refute your false doctrines -- has the same ring as the Liberals' cries of, "You are a racist!" -- whenever anyone refutes their master, Obama.

 

You and I both know that by posting that photo of priests and monks worshiping, you are implying that it is Biblical.   And, by implication that someone named "John of the Cross" is valid, you are creating a false teaching.

 

Not only that, but that photo is most certainly breaking the Second Commandment:

 

Exodus 20:4-5, "You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.  You shall not worship them or serve them; . . ."

 

On the alter in that photo, I see statues of Joseph and Mary (who is holding an infant), I see a photo of Mary, and I see Jesus Christ still dead on the cross.

 

So, what I see is idol worship of Joseph and Mary -- and I see Jesus being crucified on the cross again -- even though we know He resurrected, ascended into heaven, and is sitting at the right hand of God the Father right now -- interceding for all believers.   Our ONLY Mediator between God and man is in heaven right now -- and, yet, you still have Him on the cross.  Why?

 

Smokey, my Friend, it is not hatred to point out Biblical inconsistencies I see in your posts.  And, it is not hatred to point out and refute false teachings and doctrines when they are introduced on this forum.

 

2 Timothy 4:3-5, "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.  But you, be sober in all things, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry."

 

My Friend, by refuting false teachings, I am doing as this Scripture passage tells me, I am fulfilling the ministry of evangelism and apologetics which God has given me.   That is not hatred.  It is being obedient to my Lord and God.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:   Originally Posted by smokey1:
I never said this came from the Bible nor did I ever imply it was biblical.  It's the thoughts of a Saint.  The same as if President Obama, Mother Teresa, or Sam the Ragman commented on matters of religion.  Your hatred of the Catholic Church seems to be frustrating you.

Hi Smokey,

 

Your cries of "You hate the Roman Catholic church" when I refute your false doctrines -- has the same ring as the Liberals' cries of, "You are a racist!" -- whenever anyone refutes their master, Obama.

 

You and I both know that by posting that photo of priests and monks worshiping, you are implying that it is Biblical.   And, by implication that someone named "John of the Cross" is valid, you are creating a false teaching.

 

Not only that, but that photo is most certainly breaking the Second Commandment:

 

Exodus 20:4-5, "You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.  You shall not worship them or serve them; . . ."

 

On the alter in that photo, I see statues of Joseph and Mary (who is holding an infant), I see a photo of Mary, and I see Jesus Christ still dead on the cross.

 

So, what I see is idol worship of Joseph and Mary -- and I see Jesus being crucified on the cross again -- even though we know He resurrected, ascended into heaven, and is sitting at the right hand of God the Father right now -- interceding for all believers.   Our ONLY Mediator between God and man is in heaven right now -- and, yet, you still have Him on the cross.  Why?

 

Smokey, my Friend, it is not hatred to point out Biblical inconsistencies I see in your posts.  And, it is not hatred to point out and refute false teachings and doctrines when they are introduced on this forum.

 

2 Timothy 4:3-5, "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.  But you, be sober in all things, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry."

 

My Friend, by refuting false teachings, I am doing as this Scripture passage tells me, I am fulfilling the ministry of evangelism and apologetics which God has given me.   That is not hatred.  It is being obedient to my Lord and God.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

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I see a group of dedicated people praying to God. Your distaste of all things Catholic have clouded your vision. You are truly an ignorant man.

quote:  Originally Posted by smokey1:
I see a group of dedicated people praying to God.  Your distaste of all things (Roman) Catholic have clouded your vision.  You are truly an ignorant man.

Hi Smokey,

 

It is true that we see different things in looking at that photo.  You see what you have been trained (brain washed) to see by the Vatican.   I see what the Bible tells me.   As I wrote in my earlier post:

 

Your cries of "You hate the Roman Catholic church" when I refute your false doctrines -- has the same ring as the Liberals' cries of, "You are a racist!" -- whenever anyone refutes their master, Obama.

 

You and I both know that by posting that photo of priests and monks worshiping, you are implying that it is Biblical.   And, by implication that someone named "John of the Cross" is valid, you are creating a false teaching.

 

Not only that, but that photo is most certainly breaking the Second Commandment:

 

My distaste is not for the Roman Catholic church; but, for the erroneous doctrines it teaches.   I have very dear Friends and Family who are Roman Catholic -- and there is no way that I hate or have distaste for them.  But, when these erroneous doctrines are mentioned, I have to tell them the truth.

 

Matter of fact, on Facebook and in my Friends Ministry eNewsletter mail list, I have a strongly devout Roman Catholic Friend (we became Friends in 2004 when the Passion of the Christ movie came out).  When I posted "Is The Lord's Supper Found In John 6?" on Facebook Notes, she wrote to me, "Hi Bill! I've got to give you credit: you give a lot of thought to these notes!  I'm reserving my comments until after I get home from work tomorrow.  Until then, have a blessed evening!"  

 

I am sure I will get a good response from her.  That is the kind of intelligent, civil response I would cherish seeing on the Religion Forum.   From some, i.e., David, and most often Nathan, I do get such responses.   From others, what can I say?

 

I have a female relative, who is very close and very dear to me, and who has been Roman Catholic all her life.  She is a Facebook Friend and also receives my eNewsletter e-mails.  She told me, "I love your writings.  I learn more from them than I do attending mass."  What can I say?  She is very intelligent, an RN, and she and her husband are strong Roman Catholics -- yet, she recognizes the truth, and love, in my writings.

 

So, Smokey, my Friend, no hate, no distaste for my Roman Catholic Friends and Family -- only distaste for erroneous, nonBiblical teachings.

 

2 Timothy 4:3-4, "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths."

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:  Originally Posted by smokey1:
I see a group of dedicated people praying to God.  Your distaste of all things (Roman) Catholic have clouded your vision.  You are truly an ignorant man.

Hi Smokey,

 

It is true that we see different things in looking at that photo.  You see what you have been trained (brain washed) to see by the Vatican.   I see what the Bible tells me.   As I wrote in my earlier post:

 

Your cries of "You hate the Roman Catholic church" when I refute your false doctrines -- has the same ring as the Liberals' cries of, "You are a racist!" -- whenever anyone refutes their master, Obama.

 

You and I both know that by posting that photo of priests and monks worshiping, you are implying that it is Biblical.   And, by implication that someone named "John of the Cross" is valid, you are creating a false teaching.

 

Not only that, but that photo is most certainly breaking the Second Commandment:

 

My distaste is not for the Roman Catholic church; but, for the erroneous doctrines it teaches.   I have very dear Friends and Family who are Roman Catholic -- and there is no way that I hate or have distaste for them.  But, when these erroneous doctrines are mentioned, I have to tell them the truth.

 

Matter of fact, on Facebook and in my Friends Ministry eNewsletter mail list, I have a strongly devout Roman Catholic Friend (we became Friends in 2004 when the Passion of the Christ movie came out).  When I posted "Is The Lord's Supper Found In John 6?" on Facebook Notes, she wrote to me, "Hi Bill! I've got to give you credit: you give a lot of thought to these notes!  I'm reserving my comments until after I get home from work tomorrow.  Until then, have a blessed evening!"  

 

I am sure I will get a good response from her.  That is the kind of intelligent, civil response I would cherish seeing on the Religion Forum.   From some, i.e., David, and most often Nathan, I do get such responses.   From others, what can I say?

 

Ihave a female relative, who is very close and very dear to me, and who has been Roman Catholic all her life.  She is a Facebook Friend and also receives my eNewsletter e-mails.  She told me, "I love your writings.  I learn more from them than I do attending mass."  What can I say?  She is very intelligent, an RN, and she and her husband are strong Roman Catholics -- yet, she recognizes the truth, and love, in my writings.

 

So, Smokey, my Friend, no hate, no distaste for my Roman Catholic Friends and Family -- only distaste for erroneous, nonBiblical teachings.

 

2 Timothy 4:3-4, "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths."

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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I strongly doubt this woman told you she learns more from you than from attending mass or anywhere else. Gray, you are an ignorant man. You really know nothing of the Catholic Curch. You claim to have spent 20? years attending mass etc... but yet what you say the Catholic Church teaches is wrong.

So.....you have no credability with me. 

 

quote:  Originally Posted by smokey1:
I strongly doubt this woman told you she learns more from you than from attending mass or anywhere else.   Gray, you are an ignorant man.   You really know nothing of the Catholic Curch. You claim to have spent 20? years attending mass etc... but yet what you say the Catholic Church teaches is wrong.   So.....you have no credability with me.

Hi  Smokey,

 

Are you saying my Roman Catholic relative (this woman) lied to me?  Or, that I lied when I told you her comment about my writings?  Sounds like, in your mind, one of us is a liar.

 

Seems that, with the exclusion of David and, most of the time, Nathan -- all my Roman Catholics Friends on the Religion Forum have only one way to refute what others write:  Call them liarsOr call them ignorant, stupid, etc

 

That leads me to believe there must be two levels of Catechism in the Roman Catholic churches --  One that teaches the erroneous doctrines.    And another which teaches you to revert to name calling, denigration, and cursing when folks refute you or question your doctrines.

 

Personally, my favorite way to refute a person's false statements, comments, or questions about my Christian faith -- is to take us directly into Scripture to see what God's Word has to say on the issue.

 

And, nowhere in all the 66 books do I find that I am supposed to get angry with those who disagree with me, or who disagree with my Christian faith --  and call them fool, ignorant, stupid -- or cast insults and aspersions on their families as some Roman Catholic Friends on the Religion Forum have done.

 

So, what does the Bible, God's Written Word, have to say about calling others fool?  To make sure that you and I agree -- I will refer to the Revised Standard Version - Catholic Edition translation:

 

Matthew 5:22, "But I say to you that every one who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother shall be liable to the council, and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be liable to the hell of fire."

 

So, Smokey, based upon that Scripture verse, found in your chosen translation -- what do you think your Roman Catholic hierarchy would think of you, Vic, et al, doing this to those of us who challenge your Roman Catholic doctrines?   Food for thought!

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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billie said:

So, Smokey, based upon that Scripture verse, found in your chosen translation -- what do you think your Roman Catholic hierarchy would think of you, Vic, et al, doing this to those of us who challenge your Roman Catholic doctrines?  

 

Challenge is one thing and lying is another. YOU LIE, There's a difference.

You would do well to remember John.

 

John 8: 44

You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you will do.

He was a murderer from the beginning, and he stood not in the truth;

because truth is not in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own:

for he is a liar, and the father thereof. 

 

Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
John 8: 44

You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and he stood not in the truth; because truth is not in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof. 

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Ole Billy Bob is a lover of Satan for sure. Have you ever seen him dispute it? And you won't either because every word/thought he has is a lie. If he admitted it, that would ruin the job Satan gave him to do.

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Smokey,

 

Earlier, when you posted about "John of the Cross" I asked you:

 

I cannot seem to find a "Saint John of the Cross" in my Bible.  I find the apostle John and John the Baptist -- but, no John of the Cross.

 

Will you please give me a Scripture reference where I can find him.

 

Thank you and God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,  Bill

 

And, you told me I was being hateful.  Why is asking for Biblical truth being hateful?  The apostle Paul exhorts us in Acts 17:11 to test the teaching and the teacher against Scripture.  That is what I am doing.  I am asking you where you find "Saint John of the Cross" in the Bible.

 

You seem to be implying this is Biblical; so, if it is -- show me.

 

2 Timothy 4:3-4, "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths."

 

If what you post is not Biblical, i.e., not factual -- is it not a myth?  If it is Biblically true, show me the verse.  That is all I am asking.  And, no, I am not being hateful; I am only asking that when we post something as being Biblically true -- that it be Biblically true.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Here is the obscure critter--a monk and a poet of modest talent.  He must have been sexually frustrated in his monkitude, since this poem, perhaps his best known, is laced with lusty references to man-woman stuff! It is supposed to be "spiritual," but decide for yourself.

 

http://www.poemhunter.com/st-j...the-cross/biography/

http://www.poemhunter.com/poem...-spiritual-canticle/

Hi Vic,

 

So, you Roman Catholics worship a "man"  born in 1542 -- and ignore the Bible?  Okay, I guess that makes sense -- if one is a Roman Catholic.

 

However, if one is a Christian -- we love, honor and respect John the Baptist and the apostle John, because Jesus Christ loved, honored, and respected them.  But, I still cannot find a Saint John of the Cross in the Bible.

 

Matter of fact, I find "saints" all through the New Testament -- but, I cannot, no matter how hard I search, find a "Saint" in Scripture.  

 

I will really appreciate it if you will show me the Scripture references to Saint John of the Cross and other "Saints."

 

Appreciate your help.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by Contendah:

Here is the obscure critter--a monk and a poet of modest talent.  He must have been sexually frustrated in his monkitude, since this poem, perhaps his best known, is laced with lusty references to man-woman stuff! It is supposed to be "spiritual," but decide for yourself.

 

http://www.poemhunter.com/st-j...the-cross/biography/

http://www.poemhunter.com/poem...-spiritual-canticle/

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a bit disappointed in you, Contendah... I thought you showed more class...

 

A SPIRITUAL CANTICLE OF THE SOUL AND THE BRIDEGROOM CHRIST

BY

ST. JOHN OF THE CROSS

 

THE present volume of the works of St. John of the Cross contains the explanation of the "Spiritual Canticle of the Soul and the Bridegroom Christ."

 

The two earlier works, the "Ascent of Mount Carmel" and the "Dark Night of the Soul," dealt with the cleansing of the soul, the unremittant war against even the smallest imperfections standing in the way of union with God; imperfections which must be removed, partly by strict self-discipline, partly by the direct intervention of God, Who, searching "the reins and hearts" by means of heavy interior and exterior trials, purges away whatever is displeasing to Him.

 

Although some stanzas refer to this preliminary state, the chief object of the "Spiritual Canticle" is to picture under the Biblical simile of Espousals and Matrimony the blessedness of a soul that has arrived at union with God.

 

The Canticle was composed during the long imprisonment St. John underwent at Toledo from the beginning of December 1577 till the middle of August of the following year. Being one of the principal supporters of the Reform of St. Teresa, he was also one of the victims of the war waged against her work by the Superiors of the old branch of the Order.

 

St. John's prison was a narrow, stifling cell, with no window, but only a small loophole through which a ray of light entered for a short time of the day, just long enough to enable him to say his office, but affording little facility for reading or writing.

 

However, St. John stood in no need of books. Having for many years meditated on every word of Holy Scripture, the Word of God was deeply written in his heart, supplying abundant food for conversation with God during the whole period of his imprisonment. From time to time he poured forth his soul in poetry; afterwards he communicated his verses to friends.

 

One of these poetical works, the fruit of his imprisonment, was the "Spiritual Canticle," which, as the reader will notice, is an abridged paraphrase of the Canticle of Canticles, the Song of Solomon, wherein under the image of passionate love are described the mystical sufferings and longings of a soul enamored with God.

 

From the earliest times the Fathers and Doctors of the Church had recognized the mystical character of the Canticle, and the Church had largely utilized it in her liturgy. But as there is nothing so holy but that it may be abused, the Canticle almost more than any other portion of Holy Scripture, had been misinterpreted by a false Mysticism, such as was rampant in the middle of the sixteenth century.

 

It had come to pass, said the learned and saintly Augustinian, Fray Luis de Leon, that that which was given as a medicine was turned into poison,[1] so that the Ecclesiastical authority, by the Index of 1559, forbade the circulation of the Bible or parts of the Bible in any but the original languages, Hebrew, Greek, and Latin; and no one knew better than Luis de Leon himself how rigorously these rules were enforced, for he had to expiate by nearly five years' imprisonment the audacity of having translated into Castilian the Canticle of Canticles.[2]

 

Again, one of the confessors of St. Teresa, commonly thought to have been the Dominican, Fray Diego de Yanguas, on learning that the Saint had written a book on the Canticle, ordered her to throw it into the fire, so that we now only possess a few fragments of her work, which, unknown to St. Teresa, had been copied by a nun.

 

It will now be understood that St. John's poetical paraphrase of the Canticle must have been welcome to many contemplative souls who desired to kindle their devotion with the words of Solomon, but were unable to read them in Latin. Yet the text alone, without explanation, would have helped them little; and as no one was better qualified than the author to throw light on the mysteries hidden under oriental imagery, the Venerable Ann of Jesus, Prioress of the Carmelite convent at Granada, requested St. John to write a commentary on his verses.[3]

 

He at first excused himself, saying that he was no longer in that state of spiritual exuberance in which he had been when composing the Canticle, and that there only remained to him a confused recollection of the wonderful operations of Divine grace during the period of his imprisonment.

 

Ann of Jesus was not satisfied with this answer; she not only knew that St. John had lost nothing of his fervor, though he might no longer experience the same feelings, but she remembered what had happened to St. Teresa under similar circumstances, and believed the same thing might happen to St. John.

 

When St. Teresa was obliged to write on some mystical phenomena, the nature of which she did not fully understand, or whose effect she had forgotten, God granted her unexpectedly a repetition of her former experiences so as to enable her to fully study the matter and report on it.[4] Venerable Ann of Jesus felt sure that if St. John undertook to write an explanation of the Canticle he would soon find himself in the same mental attitude as when he composed it.

 

St. John at last consented, and wrote the work now before us. The following letter, which has lately come to light, gives some valuable information of its composition. The writer, Magdalen of the Holy Spirit, nun of Veas, where she was professed on August 6, 1577, was intimately acquainted with the Saint.

 

The rest of the history

 

http://www.catholicfirst.com/t...ticle/canticle1.html

 

 

 

Originally Posted by Dove of Peace:
Originally Posted by Contendah:

Here is the obscure critter--a monk and a poet of modest talent.  He must have been sexually frustrated in his monkitude, since this poem, perhaps his best known, is laced with lusty references to man-woman stuff! It is supposed to be "spiritual," but decide for yourself.

 

http://www.poemhunter.com/st-j...the-cross/biography/

http://www.poemhunter.com/poem...-spiritual-canticle/

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a bit disappointed in you, Contendah... I thought you showed more class...

 

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I just call 'em as I see 'em, based on the evidence.  Call me a taxonomist.

Originally Posted by INVICTUS:

You can't be disappointed in billie-jez, contendah or qdog, they just hate

what's not them.

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You can't be flawed for disregarding the unrelenting stream of cut-and-paste Catholic propaganda from INVICTUS.  He was taught by his papist puppet-masters to simply accept without question all they taught him.

 

There are saints in heaven and there are saints on earth and all of them are saints because they were saved by the blood of Christ, and none of them are special-order "Saints" by virtue of any declaration by any Pope, council, or other self-assertive, unscriptural source of doctrinal fiction.

Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by INVICTUS:

You can't be disappointed in billie-jez, contendah or qdog, they just hate

what's not them.

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You can't be flawed for disregarding the unrelenting stream of cut-and-paste Catholic propaganda from INVICTUS.  He was taught by his papist puppet-masters to simply accept without question all they taught him.

 

There are saints in heaven and there are saints on earth and all of them are saints because they were saved by the blood of Christ, and none of them are special-order "Saints" by virtue of any declaration by any Pope, council, or other self-assertive, unscriptural source of doctrinal fiction.

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The Amish Heater Guy and Gray are drinking from the same Kool-Aid pitcher

Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by INVICTUS:

You can't be disappointed in billie-jez, contendah or qdog, they just hate

what's not them.

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You can't be flawed for disregarding the unrelenting stream of cut-and-paste Catholic propaganda from INVICTUS.  He was taught by his papist puppet-masters to simply accept without question all they taught him.

 

There are saints in heaven and there are saints on earth and all of them are saints because they were saved by the blood of Christ, and none of them are special-order "Saints" by virtue of any declaration by any Pope, council, or other self-assertive, unscriptural source of doctrinal fiction.

Well continduh, you're as stupid as your running pal billie.

Originally Posted by Contendah:
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You can't be flawed for disregarding the unrelenting stream of cut-and-paste Catholic propaganda from INVICTUS.  He was taught by his papist puppet-masters to simply accept without question all they taught him.

 

There are saints in heaven and there are saints on earth and all of them are saints because they were saved by the blood of Christ, and none of them are special-order "Saints" by virtue of any declaration by any Pope, council, or other self-assertive, unscriptural source of doctrinal fiction.

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Contendah, if you're so dead set against my Church, you could set me straight

with the Biblical proof that the Church you call Catholic is Not, the same Church

Jesus created as stated in your Bible. Thanks.

 

 

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Exodus 20:4-5, "You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth

 

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So, Bill, do you have any photos in your house? Are there any crosses hanging in your church?  Stain glass depictions, maybe?
Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Originally Posted by Contendah:
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You can't be flawed for disregarding the unrelenting stream of cut-and-paste Catholic propaganda from INVICTUS.  He was taught by his papist puppet-masters to simply accept without question all they taught him.

 

There are saints in heaven and there are saints on earth and all of them are saints because they were saved by the blood of Christ, and none of them are special-order "Saints" by virtue of any declaration by any Pope, council, or other self-assertive, unscriptural source of doctrinal fiction.

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Yes contenduh, it is Biblical

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Contendah, if you're so dead set against my Church, you could set me straight

with the Biblical proof that the Church you call Catholic is Not, the same Church

Jesus created as stated in your Bible. Thanks.

 

 

 

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