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Once again, we have but a snippet of the total story. I've notice since the Cops TV program appeared on the airwaves, bravery appears to have taken a backseat to over reaction.

If the man was firing a firearm inside his own house and none of the projectiles were exiting, what was the problem, But I also do not understand why he did not come out immediately once the police arrived and ordered or requested him to outside.

Like I said once again just a teaser of a complete story, too much left out for even an educated guess.  

First let me say all I know about this is what I've seen on the news and read in the newspaper. On the 10 o'clock news on 48 the guy's brother gave a statement that his brother just lost his job and along with it his health insurance and can no longer afford his depression med's. I guess the guy just sorta hit rock bottom. At least no one was hurt and he will get a much needed mental evaluation. Lots of times things like this are mostly just a cry for help. 


Maybe, if nothing else he can now get that help. 

Fat, thanks for your comment,,,First of all, he was told no less than 15 times to get on the ground,which he would not do,, thus the reason to taser him,  also, he had broken the window out of the house and shot at the officers more than12 times at, so yes, there is a lot more to the story... a lot is and  will not be told.... Offficers put their lives on the line every day, and I

hope they are all thanked and respect daily... I know I sure do appreciate them and all they do..

 

 

DONNA C

 

the police greatly overreacted. the police looked like a circus in their action.  yes the guy maybe did not lay down becasue he had 3 cops screaming at him at the same time, he maybe could not understand what they were saying. you can see their in mouths in motion. only one should have been speaking. the guy was cuffed and on his back, but yet they needed to let the snarling dog get within a foot of his head. according to logan he came out without a gun. as i understand no shots were ever fired nor was there ever a gun. don't forget the sniper, this was not a war zone. once the police  found out what caused the standoff it should have been a 2 person arrest without anyone else in sight.  the police seem to always want to take extreme action when it is determined not to be needed. police training now is all about intimidation and complete control of the subject, not about using the right mix of force. police are needed and should be respected, but they blew it this on one.

Come on, let them officers play dress up and army men! They get very bored, especially in Tuscumbia, and in the daytime too. Don't forget, the other kids had their cams a rollin' so they could play pretend too and use the footage for the next dress-up and playtime. Gotta have something to show the other kids how it's done!

Ok how did the police over react? and if you want to control someone, shouldnt you want to totally control them? and i can see where you could maybe misunderstand GET ON THE GROUND, with put your hands up... NOT!! and it dont matter if 19 or 3 is saying it, GET ON THE GROUND, still sounds like get on the ground! and please know your facts before you come on here and show how ()*)(*(Y& you are, there was at least a dozen shots fired, and several of them at officers, and he told the chief that he was not coming out WITHOUT a gun! an since you know all there is to know about tactics, im sure you know what the sniper was used for right! its the same know matter what it is, people that have no idea, always want to put in there 2 cents. and you know that only 2 officers were sent there to begin with, and i do believe that is when shots were fired at them. so i believe they covered that. as far as the snarling dog within a foot of his head, again you have no clue, the dog was about 5 ft. from his head. jus stick to reading the paper, and actually let those that do their job.. do it, and stick to doing yours! and as far as playing dress up... u sound a little jealous there disolve, im sorry that you dont get to play dress up... either that, or your toy aint as big as the rest!

Originally Posted by DOC!:

Ok how did the police over react? and if you want to control someone, shouldnt you want to totally control them? and i can see where you could maybe misunderstand GET ON THE GROUND, with put your hands up... NOT!! and it dont matter if 19 or 3 is saying it, GET ON THE GROUND, still sounds like get on the ground! and please know your facts before you come on here and show how ()*)(*(Y& you are, there was at least a dozen shots fired, and several of them at officers, and he told the chief that he was not coming out WITHOUT a gun! an since you know all there is to know about tactics, im sure you know what the sniper was used for right! its the same know matter what it is, people that have no idea, always want to put in there 2 cents. and you know that only 2 officers were sent there to begin with, and i do believe that is when shots were fired at them. so i believe they covered that. as far as the snarling dog within a foot of his head, again you have no clue, the dog was about 5 ft. from his head. jus stick to reading the paper, and actually let those that do their job.. do it, and stick to doing yours! and as far as playing dress up... u sound a little jealous there disolve, im sorry that you dont get to play dress up... either that, or your toy aint as big as the rest!

Ut oh, that vein (not THAT vein that you like to refer to as 'your toy') the one in your forehead is a poppin' out from all that built up estrogen flowing through your veins! So let me take a few shots in the dark here.....going out on a limb, us silly citizens don't know all the facts to respond to a half-written news article, but yet you can read the same article and come to much greater conclusions? Well guess what, we do all the time. This is a community "message board" and we post about all things, including stuff we read from the TimesDaily. If there is facts missing, maybe you need to voice your concerns to the editor.

 

Going out on this limb even further, "shouldn't you want to 'totally control them'"....no, you egotistical  LEO, you aren't gonna "totally" control anything. No matter how hard you try, you will never "totally" control anyone or anything! So go back to patrolling your projects and baggy pants (with your little man syndrome) and make that pocket change for your family! People like you within the ranks are the ones that give LEO's a bad name.

 

BTW, as far as my above comment was concerned, it was directed towards the mindset of people who don't take these situations serious, more as cops playing war games and being over aggressive instead of the actual seriousness of the situation. I have great respect for LEO's, but you my friend, your lacking, in more ways than just your toy.

Ut oh, that vein (not THAT vein that you like to refer to as 'your toy') the one in your forehead is a poppin' out from all that built up estrogen flowing through your veins! So let me take a few shots in the dark here.....going out on a limb, us silly citizens don't know all the facts to respond to a half-written news article, but yet you can read the same article and come to much greater conclusions? Well guess what, we do all the time. This is a community "message board" and we post about all things, including stuff we read from the TimesDaily. If there is facts missing, maybe you need to voice your concerns to the editor.  
 
Going out on this limb even further, "shouldn't you want to 'totally control them'"....no, you egotistical  LEO, you aren't gonna "totally" control anything. No matter how hard you try, you will never "totally" control anyone or anything! So go back to patrolling your projects and baggy pants (with your little man syndrome) and make that pocket change for your family! People like you within the ranks are the ones that give LEO's a bad name.  
 
BTW, as far as my above comment was concerned, it was directed towards the mindset of people who don't take these situations serious, more as cops playing war games and being over aggressive instead of the actual seriousness of the situation. I have great respect for LEO's, but you my friend, your lacking, in more ways than just your toy.

 

So tell us how you would've handled the situation!  

Originally Posted by imya_huckleberry:
So tell us how you would've handled the situation!  

Considering I'm not a LEO and not trained to be a LEO, I personally couldn't tell ya the best way to have handled the situation. However, in my opinion, I feel the police handled it exceptionally well and did a fine job. That's what they are trained to do.

Seems it turned out very well, We don't have to look back far to see some examples that weren't nearly as successful. Try the corner of Cherry St and Tuscaloosa St  some years ago in Florence, AL.

If you didn't like the TD photos I'm just guessing this one isn't on your refrigerator ...In some places in the world Police Brutality is two words never used together !!!

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Going out on this limb even further, "shouldn't you want to 'totally control them'"....no, you egotistical  LEO, you aren't gonna "totally" control anything. No matter how hard you try, you will never "totally" control anyone or anything! So go back to patrolling your projects and baggy pants (with your little man syndrome) and make that pocket change for your family! People like you within the ranks are the ones that give LEO's a bad name.

 

BTW, as far as my above comment was concerned, it was directed towards the mindset of people who don't take these situations serious, more as cops playing war games and being over aggressive instead of the actual seriousness of the situation. I have great respect for LEO's, but you my friend, your lacking, in more ways than just your toy.  

 

 

Number 1 My comment was directly pointed at the comment above your's.. but since you comminced to calling names. which shows who has the ego problem or as you put it (your little man syndrome) and in my comment, towards you, was doing the same thing you did. You dont know me, so dont try to know me, and as far as my pocket change, you only wished you had half of my pocket change. and did i say that you could totally control someone? no i said if your are going to try and control someone, dont you want to try and totally control someone, and you even quoted it, and still messed it up..  and yes there is a way to totally control someone, that might be alittle over your head.. so i wont go into all that! so keep trying to figure out the game of life, and one day i hope you figure it out. and do you have a problem with someone living in the projects? and btw we aint friends... and my family loves my pocket change. so you egotistical wanna be... go back to trolling the timesdaily, and posting comments like anyone really cares, and thanks alot for the laughs i really needed it, as did everyone that read it.

Police do need to get control of the situation, so they can determine who's in the right and who's not. Over reaction is not a new phenom, nor is it limited to region.

 

When Eisenhower sent troops and police to Oxford, they rounded up a number of people, including innocent bystanders.  They were made to sit with their backs against the wall with their knees bent. One person didn't bend both knees and the feds beat him. Later, it was determined he was a Korean War vet with a fused knee joint. Couldn't bent it without breaking his leg.

 

In England, the bobbies pulled over a man for speeding and DWI. Told him to get out of the van and get on the ground.  He turned the car off and opened the door, but told them he couldn't get out of the van.  The cops dragged him from the vana and beat on him, while cuffing him.  Their sergeant arrived surveyed the scene and told them to stop and get his wheelchair out of the back of the van.

 

You need to see both sides of the situation.

Originally Posted by disolve:

"Come on, let them officers play dress up and army men! They get very bored, especially in Tuscumbia, and in the daytime too. Don't forget, the other kids had their cams a rollin' so they could play pretend too and use the footage for the next dress-up and playtime. Gotta have something to show the other kids how it's done!"

 

"Considering I'm not a LEO and not trained to be a LEO, I personally couldn't tell ya the best way to have handled the situation. However, in my opinion, I feel the police handled it exceptionally well and did a fine job. That's what they are trained to do."

Obviously, considering you're not a LEO and not trained to be a LEO, you shouldn't be making fun of the men and women in uniform that have been trained.  Regardless of what their dressed in.  Patrol officers are very well trained, but when you have a barricaded suspect that has already shot at responding officers, SWAT will be called.  I won't go into detail about why SWAT teams dress the way they do, but let's just say there are tactical reasons.  You post one thing in a condescending tone and then post something else, that I hope is a genuine statement.

 

I will comment on the "total control" in your other post.  The LEO may not be able to totally control the actions of a person, but they can take "total control" of the scene and thereby limit the actions/ movement of a person.   


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