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Some lobbyists get pensions not from their mainstream employment as lobbyists but as a consequence of being placed on certain state boards or commissions. Of course it is their influence as lobbyists that gives them access to those state-related jobs. I believe there was a story in the TD on this a short time back but I could not find it in the SEARCH feature.

 

At least 20 states allow some private lobbying groups to tap into often lucrative and safe state pension systems, according to a review by Associated Press reporters across the nation. Legislatures granted such groups access decades ago on the premise that they serve governments and the public, but several states have started to question whether they should be included since they are private entities.

 

States that allow at least one private lobbying group into the public pension:

— Alabama

— Arizona

— California

— Colorado

— Idaho

— Illinois

— Kansas

— Kentucky

— Maine

— Missouri

— Nevada

— New York

— New Jersey

— North Carolina

— Pennsylvania

— South Carolina

— South Dakota

— Tennessee

— Utah

— Washington

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Source: AP reporting

 

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics...sts-pension-20060720

Oroho-McHose-Space: Time for Democrats to Stop Blocking Bill to Prevent Lobbyists from Collecting State Employee Pensions

 

In response to a media report today that shows lobbyists, who represent associations of counties, cities and school boards, receive public pensions in 20 states, including New Jersey, Sen. Steve Oroho and Assemblywoman Alison Littell McHose and Assemblyman Parker Space said it’s time for the Legislature to end this outrageous practice.

“One of the reasons New Jersey’s public employee pension system was on the verge of collapse is because of ridiculous policies like this that allow government pensions to be paid to private organizations,” said McHose, R-Sussex, Warren and Morris. “While we have made excellent reforms to save the system, more are needed. Steve, Parker and I sponsor legislation to eliminate this ludicrous practice, but Democrats have stalled our efforts to end this special treatment for lobbyists which puts a huge drain on the system. It’s time for our colleagues on the other side of the aisle to stop protecting special interests and instead do what is in the best interests of taxpayers.”

According to the Associated Press article, many lobbyists receive state health care benefits as well. The lobby firms, it noted, are private entities and, as such, are not subject to public oversight; they pay their top executives private-sector salaries, and sometimes lobby for positions that are in conflict with taxpayers.

“Public pensions are for retired public employees who worked hard to serve the taxpayers of New Jersey,” said Space, R-Sussex, Warren and Morris. “It is outrageous to think that already overburdened residents are being asked to foot the retirement bills of private sector lobbyists. Unfortunately, Democrats prefer to play politics at the expense of our taxpayers.”

“Some employees of unions that represent government employees are permitted to stay in the State pension system, even while they are working full-time on union business and not at their State jobs working for taxpayers. That such practices are allowed is unconscionable,” said Oroho, R-Sussex, Warren and Morris. “This issue needs to be addressed now. Taxpayers should not be on the hook paying for the retirement plans of private sector workers.”

The 24th Legislative District lawmakers are the sponsors of S-1622/A-2438, a bill that removes from the pension system and from the State Health Benefits program employees of such groups — the League of Municipalities, School Boards Association, etc., including Joint Insurance Fund employees and those of nonprofit college fundraising entities — with less than 10 years of service, and any future employees of such groups.

“As we enacted bipartisan pension reforms in the past it’s time we now adopt measures to weed out this government waste,” Oroho stated.

Originally Posted by direstraits:

Dems ran the place for over 130 years.

While that is true for the state houses, it is not true for the governor.

I moved here in 1987 under the governorship of Ichabod Crane (R), who was a terrible governor, and to whom I had some very unsatisfactory interaction with. After he was finally kicked out, we had a short time of Little Jim (D), then the embarrassing Fob James (R) , and then Siegelman (D) who seemed to me to be a pretty good governor, the lying Bob Riley(R) who's tax policies are still continuing to raise my property taxes (so far) to nearly 3X what they were even tho he got up campaining  and said "I lowered your taxes".
Now we are suffering thru this inept guy that dosen't seem to know whether he is washing or hanging out.

So, what you said is not entirely true.

 

Without control of the two houses, the governor can only administer what is passed.  His powers are limited, otherwise.  Again, from about 1874 to 1987, the Democrats completely controlled the state.  Afterwards there were a few Republican governors.  In 100 years or so, Dems may be ready to run the place, again. 

Originally Posted by direstraits:

Without control of the two houses, the governor can only administer what is passed.  His powers are limited, otherwise.  Again, from about 1874 to 1987, the Democrats completely controlled the state.  Afterwards there were a few Republican governors.  In 100 years or so, Dems may be ready to run the place, again. 

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All political history in the South before Nixon's "Southern Strategy" is irrelevant.

The R's are always whining about how bad government is, and whenever they get power, the first thing they do is prove that point.

The R's are not fit to govern as is being shown in the state houses across the nation, and in DC . If you think 40, (yes that's fourty) House votes to abolish Obamacare , a waste of time since that will never happen with an Obama presidency and a Democratic control of the agenda in the Senate and 23 (I belive) votes for Congress to control each and every woman's uterus in the nation "GOVERNING" ,  you are more than a little confused.  At about a million dollars each, seems to me they can whine all they want, but the R's are spending money like a drunken sailor.

Other R controlled state housed all across the nation is going about a systematic disfranchisement of the voting rights of American citizens, and forcing women to endure rape by a doctor and pay for it so they can also control the uterus's of all the women in their state . Is that what you call "governing" ? 

 

Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by direstraits:

Without control of the two houses, the governor can only administer what is passed.  His powers are limited, otherwise.  Again, from about 1874 to 1987, the Democrats completely controlled the state.  Afterwards there were a few Republican governors.  In 100 years or so, Dems may be ready to run the place, again. 

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All political history in the South before Nixon's "Southern Strategy" is irrelevant.

The R's are always whining about how bad government is, and whenever they get power, the first thing they do is prove that point.

The R's are not fit to govern as is being shown in the state houses across the nation, and in DC . If you think 40, (yes that's fourty) House votes to abolish Obamacare , a waste of time since that will never happen with an Obama presidency and a Democratic control of the agenda in the Senate and 23 (I belive) votes for Congress to control each and every woman's uterus in the nation "GOVERNING" ,  you are more than a little confused.  At about a million dollars each, seems to me they can whine all they want, but the R's are spending money like a drunken sailor.

Other R controlled state housed all across the nation is going about a systematic disfranchisement of the voting rights of American citizens, and forcing women to endure rape by a doctor and pay for it so they can also control the uterus's of all the women in their state . Is that what you call "governing" ? 

 

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The word should be "forty" actually. What rape by what doctor? I've never heard about that. No one I know wants to control any woman's uterus, I sure don't want to have to think about it. I'd like for them to control it so there's no need for her to go running to have a baby killed. Oh but they can't resist that oh so handsome hot stud, and so what there's no bc handy, it'll all work out. Why isn't it the stud's place to provide bc if miss hotstuff doesn't have it? Or they're just too freaking lazy, drunk, doped to even bother with bc that they can get for freaking free. Doesn't matter anyway, she can have it killed. War on women my ****. Sheesh.

Originally Posted by seeweed:
Originally Posted by direstraits:

Without control of the two houses, the governor can only administer what is passed.  His powers are limited, otherwise.  Again, from about 1874 to 1987, the Democrats completely controlled the state.  Afterwards there were a few Republican governors.  In 100 years or so, Dems may be ready to run the place, again. 

=============

All political history in the South before Nixon's "Southern Strategy" is irrelevant.

The R's are always whining about how bad government is, and whenever they get power, the first thing they do is prove that point.

The R's are not fit to govern as is being shown in the state houses across the nation, and in DC . If you think 40, (yes that's fourty) House votes to abolish Obamacare , a waste of time since that will never happen with an Obama presidency and a Democratic control of the agenda in the Senate and 23 (I belive) votes for Congress to control each and every woman's uterus in the nation "GOVERNING" ,  you are more than a little confused.  At about a million dollars each, seems to me they can whine all they want, but the R's are spending money like a drunken sailor.

Other R controlled state housed all across the nation is going about a systematic disfranchisement of the voting rights of American citizens, and forcing women to endure rape by a doctor and pay for it so they can also control the uterus's of all the women in their state . Is that what you call "governing" ? 

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Nice try at deflection, but no cigar.  Well after Nixon, the same players remained in the Democrat party, with little change.  The thread is about STATE governments, not the federal.  Start another thread, don't try to deflect the thread. 

 

Now, as to what you call disenfranchisement, is actually a break up of the old Democrat state machines to ensure  an honest vote, which Dems can't stand.  Dems still cry like its 1955.and Bull Connor stand ready to turn the dogs and fire hoses loose in Birmingham.  The Voting Rights Act relied on data from 1971 to 1974, imagine using data at least 39 years old to arrive at any honest conclusion. 

 

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