Stephen Hawking on Heaven

Winston, it's easier to believe a god popped out from no where? That's why you believe?

OK. I'll even keep it simple.

Stand with your back to the sun one afternoon.

Look at the dark you-shaped thing on the ground.

Much darker there on the non-sun side of you, no?

Now imagine the you-shaped thing is 7,926 miles wide.

Gonna be 'night' onna other side of you. CAUSE YER IN THE #$&*IN' WAY OF THE SUN, SMACKY!

(smacking head)  oohh confusion...confusion uh does that mean

. in six months its gonna be dark on the back side of the sun? Must roll another. Brain dying. Hpel me. If I step on my shadow will it get light again? Wheres my lighter? HERE SPOT..HERE BOY. wHAT THA. You are my sunshine.

Dang, ticker.

Ya gonna make it?

Here. Just do this, man....Just go: "OOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHMMMMMMMMMMMMM"

uummpppfft...cough..cough ooooogggg.naw that ain't it...oooorrrrrggggg..dammit...mmmmhhhhooo. Would you repeat the question please?

repeatin stuff is hard man

Jenn, no one is insisting you believe in God but he was there before with the rithmetic of what was to come.

So pup the sun has everything to do with the sky being dark at night.

I haven’t heard that one before. I’m sure Olber and Ed Poe would be amused.

"dark night sky paradox." The paradox states that at any angle from the Earth the sight line will end at the surface of a star, so the night sky should be completely white. This contradicts the darkness of the night sky and leads many to wonder why we do not see only light from stars in the night sky" [Wikipedia]

"Were the succession of stars endless, then the background of the sky would present us a uniform luminosity, like that displayed by the Galaxy – since there could be absolutely no point, in all that background, at which would not exist a star. The only mode, therefore, in which, under such a state of affairs, we could comprehend the voids which our telescopes find in innumerable directions, would be by supposing the distance of the invisible background so immense that no ray from it has yet been able to reach us at all."  From Poe's Eureka

Yeah and I bet you could f#$& up a county fair, too.

You drive by starlight? Or are ya too wasted by dark?

You didn't say 'completely' dark. You just said 'dark at night.' The night sky isn't completely dark for the reason you stated.

And I'll tell ya something else. I KNOW as an irrefutable FACT why your head rolls downhill every time you drop it.

Dumb azz yankee; don't even know why the sky is dark at night.

Stephen Hawking is a very intelligent and capable physicist/scientist.  It is remarkable that he has reached 67 years of age given his medical condition.  Specifically I believe he is referred to as a cosmologists as far as specifics is concerned but his statement should not really surprise anyone for study of the origin of the Universe has pervaded most of his latter life's work from my understanding .  

Most non-Christian Scientist, which accounts for the majority, like Science itself, does not provide a possibility or potential for a Spiritual realm or Spiritual dimension which is the domain of any deity or God.  There is no problem, in Science, with acceptance or consideration of a Parallel Universe through some black hole, both term unproven and unknown in their own rights.  Acceptance of the possibility of a realm that does not conform to any known or accepted physical properties however is ceremonially dismissed.  Since it is the Spiritual realm that is the realm and domain of God and since Science has determined that a Spiritual realm doesn't exist (in their mind and reasoning) neither can God or any Deity exist.  

It is then rational and expected that Hawking's statement would be such that it is for Heaven as well as for God or Creation.  It is curious, however, how many Scientist who subscribe to the Big Bang theory now have reservations about their initial acceptance that the Big Bang was the origin.  

There was a show on "The Science Channel (Xfinity/Comcast Ch 110) on Tuesday, March 15th titled "What Happened Before the Big Bang?".  The show was considering what many Scientist are now beginning to think and consider.  "What predated the big bag".  The show considers quantum cosmology, multiverses, and singularities but the emphasis is put on how many Scientist are having reservations that the Big Bang was the Origin of all and are now questioning what predated the Big Bang and where it came from.  Hawking was a contributor but I cannot remember his specific remarks about anything predating the Big Bang.

Most non-Christian Scientist, which accounts for the majority, like Science itself, does not provide a possibility or potential for a Spiritual realm or Spiritual dimension which is the domain of any deity or God.

 

I presume you mean "Christian scientists".  Science does not claim that the supernatural is nonexistent, it simply is a method for seeking natural explanations for reality.  With the success science has had in demonstrating the natural explanations for existence so far, it has every reason to continue seeking more and better explanations.

 

The track record of religion for explaining existence is poor.  God is no longer responsible for diseases, earthquakes, hurricanes, floods, war, good harvests, eclipses, or baby ducks.  We now understand how and why such things occur, and god is not necessary.  God is the putty society uses to fill in the gaps of our knowledge, and year after year, we need less putty.  Eventually, we'll need none at all.  Eventually is now.

 

Now is the time to admit that god is a fiction.  A metaphor for the grand universe from which all existence comes.  It is an anti-metaphor to suggest that we are made in his image.  Quite the contrary, however, is certainly true.  The gods are made in our images, with our values, our limitations, and our prejudices.  Humans make gods.

 

To let go of god means necessarily that one must admit to certain unknowns.  To embrace god is to have all the answers to every question.  Any system of belief that answers all questions answers none of them.

 

DF

I personally could no more deny God than I could deny that I am alive.  God's Holy Spirit provides me testimony that my faith is rewarded and founded in not only something factual but eternal.

Again playing on a quote that is repeated many time but I'll change a bit.

To Christians they will know what I mean by what I just said.  For unbelievers I could never say enough.

It's more of a case of knowing something doesn't exist than it is denying it. You don't deny Santa exists, you know he doesn't. Rationalize to any non-believer why a "god" would create a universe, care enough to destroy it and start over, kill his own son, and then just turn his back and leave with the promise that he'll be back to get you. Makes no sense on any level. If he was interested in man he'd live on earth with man. WHY would he even come back and destroy his creation? Where is he going to take you? Why the need to take you anywhere? Didn't "he say" the earth was for you to enjoy, live on and be happy? If someone puts you in a so called wonderful place, why the need to ever come back to you and take you out of that place? Bizarre.

Jennifer,   I don't know God's reasoning for creating what He's created, I don't know the purpose for it or what God's mind conceives and that doesn't bother me for as a created being I don't expect that I'm superior to the person/thing/entity that was responsible for creation.  What I DO KNOW without any reservation what so ever is GOD EXIST!.  I have no question of that whatsoever although that was not always the case.  I became aware with sufficient evidence and proof at the time I accepted Christ and became personally knowledgable of God's Holy Spirit.  

I also have no problem with someone saying God doesn't exist and doing so with the same certainty that I have that God Exist.   The reason I have no problem with this is that a person that does not know God, has never met or experienced God's presence or God's Holy Spirit has absolutely no personal evidence that God exist so therefore to them God doesn't exist and that is a valid statement, at least for them.  You say God doesn't exist and i don't question your sanity or claim you are under a delusion as I fully believe that God doesn't exist to you.  I hope and pray that one day God will exist to you and that you will find out, for yourself, that God exist but until then you have no reason to believe, at all, that God exist.  

As for God's method of dealing with man/woman/humans and why things must happen the way they do then I admit that I cannot answer those questions but I do have full faith and confidence that God is in control and has it all in control.  If Stephen Hawking knows God doesn't exist then I also believe he is as confident as you seem to be that God doesn't exist.  I have no doubt that Stephen Hawking has no evidence whatsoever that God exist.

No one, in this forum, is forcing Christianity, God, or any other belief upon atheist or non-believers in here however there seems quite a bit of effort to attempt to convince believers that they are under some delusion or that it's all in their head.  God provides His Holy Spirit within the Christian's body for a reason, for a guarantee and evidence that what they have put their faith in is real.  It is for that reason I will not deny to know God exist for I cannot deny that which I have been made so plainly aware of by God's Holy Spirit's presence within my own physical body dwelling along with my inner Spirit and ministering to me in a very intimate and personal way.   

Hi Jennifer,

If you will take a look at the new discussion titled "Did God Create A Universe And Then Destroy It?" -- you will find answers to your questions raised here.  See, I do answer questions!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

No thanks bill. I didn't ask you a question and I don't care to read one of your sermons. My post was mostly observation.

Hi Jennifer,

Really?  I noticed five questions and several comments which certainly warranted answers.  But, no problem if you cannot read the answers.  I only thought you would scan it to find areas where you can appear to disagree; so, no big deal.  However, I do want to thank you for your questions and comments; for many sincere people who are believers or possibly have become seekers -- may have these questions or thoughts in their minds, but have not asked.  So, you gave me a good platform from which to give answers -- for you and for them.  Thank you!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

You don't need me to give you a platform bill. You start your silly preachy threads all on your own, I don't read them. As I said, my posts are mostly observations now because I've found you have no intention of ever answering a question, so what's the point in anyone asking you one?  All it does is give you a chance to twist the question, evade and answer a question with another question. It let's you brush up on your cult tactics so to speak.