Dear Marionette,
To whom do you refer? Tom Osborne, Bunky Jones, Claudia Polo or others under whom I studied or was it my mention of Marx, Vico and von Ranke? This was really quite cryptic, I must confess, although your reference to my "nutbag" was quite flattering -- usually it is the eyes on which I get compliments and every now and then my chest.
Meow back at you, baby! Who claimed to be the Spanish scholar and then left in a huff when she was proven wrong, up to the minute she slunk off into her artistic fundamentalist warren when called on a matter of fact on Spanish gender-adjective agreement?
If I make an error of fact, I admit it and go on my way, not dig my pit of despair deeper.
p.s. I lied. I find your technical skill at visual art at most "apprentice" and mechanical.
But art is a matter of taste, like liver and pureed turnips, they simply are not for me.
quote:Originally posted by DeepFat:
LMM,
You haven't read The God Delusion, have you?
How about Letter to a Christian Nation, by Sam Harris?
DF
No DF, I have not. AND just to be clear, I did not create the list, I simply found it looking for "Stupid Atheists" on Google.
Fish asked for info, and he received.
Bush 1 apparently did not worry about being PC in 1989. Until you mentioned this, I had not heard of it. I guess the MSM ignored it or covered it up at the time.
I posted the list because it was just so shocking to see many of the same arguments used on here.
Is there an atheist handbook that you guys go by?
quote:Too many churches and politicians prey on fear and guilt and unfortunately, it seems to be working. But then again, that's been the way of it since religion became organized, hasn't it, because the only way for those type predators to succeed is by the dumbing down of society. (Fox news is a prime example - check out their sources some time.)
I agree with your post except for the Fox News part. Let's not Forget Dan Rather or the pseudo- journalist K Olberman. I always double check any thing I read from several sources. Any one should always approach all topics with skepticism, most will lean left or right.
quote:Thank God I had teachers like Tom Osborne,
Scarecrow/UContract...your buddy Tom and I are
debaters from way back...the '80's I believe it was.
Scarecrow/Under, are we bringing in the multiple personalities. Do you need backup?
I am assuming that Rev. Dr. Thomas Osborne won? It would be meet and right so to do.
quote:Originally posted by Neal Hughes:
I am assuming that Rev. Dr. Thomas Osborne won? It would be meet and right so to do.
Afraid not
you know what they say about "assuming"
Isn't he the one writing a book, called
"1001 Bottles of Vodka on the Wall" or something like that....Rev, yeah right! LOL
I'm sure his flock doesn't mind following his
example, however.
"1001 Bottles of Vodka on the Wall" or something like that....Rev, yeah right! LOL
I'm sure his flock doesn't mind following his
example, however.
quote:Is there an atheist handbook that you guys go by? Wink
I've been debating this stuff since the BBS days of the late 80's and, yes, the same old arguments are shuffled and re-dealt with great predictability.
No, we don't use a handbook but I believe I could make a case that the answers we use share such commonality because the are the most logical, correct answers.
Once you distill the lies of the fundies, our common answers are all that's left. Hah.
You silly woman! I love Tom Osborne like a father and he is an ordained deacon of the Episcopal Church. He is also a real live bona fide PhD from UConn who did his research in France.
You need to apologize for what you say about him. He is one of the most gentle, intelligent, well-educated men in this city -- a city that does not deserve the likes of him, in my opinion.
Shove them taters, Mr. Hentz! Shove them taters!
You need to apologize for what you say about him. He is one of the most gentle, intelligent, well-educated men in this city -- a city that does not deserve the likes of him, in my opinion.
Shove them taters, Mr. Hentz! Shove them taters!
Have nothing against the man. However, in the '80's he defended pornography and sided with the ACLU. You might check the Times Daily archives for editorials in the mid to late'80s.
Said obscenity is protected by the Constitution, etc. Nice guy, but misinformed on that subject.
Said obscenity is protected by the Constitution, etc. Nice guy, but misinformed on that subject.
If I was misinformed about the book, I apologize. However, the person who told me
that, I trust their credibility.
that, I trust their credibility.
That is because I believe he is a member of the ACLU and NAACP, both.
"Pornography" is in the eye of the beholder, some say it is "realistic art," and certainly protected, as the USSC has determined by First Amendment rights. Don't tell me you are a censor?
The ALA will come with Birkenstocks on and cardigans holding awls for book repairs if you are!
"Pornography" is in the eye of the beholder, some say it is "realistic art," and certainly protected, as the USSC has determined by First Amendment rights. Don't tell me you are a censor?
The ALA will come with Birkenstocks on and cardigans holding awls for book repairs if you are!
Well, NH, we could start a whole other thread on that subject. Obscenity has never been protected by the Constitution as free expression any more than crying "fire" in a crowded theater is free speech. Whether it applies to pruient interest, whether it passes the 'community standards' criteria, etc. It's not just a matter of if you like it and I don't.
Hard core obscenity is illegal, no matter how or where it is displayed. Child porn is illegal.
Of course, there are some judges who like to forget about the Constitution and apply their own standards to judging some things.
Hard core obscenity is illegal, no matter how or where it is displayed. Child porn is illegal.
Of course, there are some judges who like to forget about the Constitution and apply their own standards to judging some things.
quote:Originally posted by GoFish:quote:So I'm going to start praying and begging God to stay the heck out of my life because it goes along much smoother that way.
Hah. Yeah, that's kind of stupid.
You may have made the mistake of believing that you actually have free will in this life. You don't. It's a long, complicated philosophy but take a look here for a start. Quite interesting. Whatever the case, I'd be intereted int eh details of your epiphany.
A little remediation might do you good, too. Take a look at Julia Sweeney's very entertaining performance (and book) entitled "Letting Go of God." It truly is a beautiful, sad, funny and honest look at the journey many of us had to experience - but from a woman's perspective.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtIyx687ytk
You have been missed, by the way. Welcome back.
OK, I'm really just ranting. I'm still agnostic, I just want someone to blame. That's probably the best thing about having a strong belief in a God being. Even if you don't blame them, at least you can believe that there's some cosmic reason that "stuff" (for lack of being able to use a swear word) happens. I could use a bit of self-conviction right now that there is some eternal reason that's going to make me a stronger person for things that I know I just have to chalk up to "stuff" that happens.
I wouldn't want a deacon or pastor of my church who defends pornography. But, I guess, that is the difference between Episcopals and us Bible-thumping snake handlers!
quote:OK, I'm really just ranting. I'm still agnostic, I just want someone to blame. That's probably the best thing about having a strong belief in a God being. Even if you don't blame them, at least you can believe that there's some cosmic reason that "stuff" (for lack of being able to use a swear word) happens. I could use a bit of self-conviction right now that there is some eternal reason that's going to make me a stronger person for things that I know I just have to chalk up to "stuff" that happens.
The thing I have learned about "stuff" is it's gonna happen if you are Christian, atheist, agnostic, or whatever. It's called life. You accept it, deal with it, and most of the time, no one is to blame.(well, maybe they are in some cases) It's usually the humans that are to blame. Accidents happen..etc. Deal with it and let it go. God wants the best for us, but sometimes we do our own stupid stuff to cause our own pain and misery. It's just crazy to do wrong things and never to expect to pay the consequences. We all do it, sometimes with good intentions.
quote:Originally posted by Monette:
The thing I have learned about "stuff" is it's gonna happen if you are Christian, atheist, agnostic, or whatever. It's called life. You accept it, deal with it, and most of the time, no one is to blame.(well, maybe they are in some cases) It's usually the humans that are to blame. Accidents happen..etc. Deal with it and let it go. God wants the best for us, but sometimes we do our own stupid stuff to cause our own pain and misery. It's just crazy to do wrong things and never to expect to pay the consequences. We all do it, sometimes with good intentions.
Trust me, I know that "stuff" happens to everyone--good stuff and bad stuff. But the thing that always gets me about Christians is how they are always so quick to give God the credit for all the good stuff, "Praise Jesus, isn't he wonderful," but chalk all the bad stuff up to "it's just life, God doesn't intervene in natural things." It's ALL just life! OR, in the other vein, it's ALL God. If he gets the credit, he gets the blame, or else, everything--good and bad, is chalked up to "it's just life. It's just the way we evolved."
I'm not one of those people who can't move on. I always have and I always will. Good stuff and bad stuff has, and will, continue to happen to me. My favorite saying is, "We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses."
I just try to be grateful for the roses but I can still swear about those thorns (that evolved for just that reason--to keep me away) and get it out of my system.
Rhiannon,
I agree with you. Its either all God or none is God. Free will may or may not have a part. (I have not read your link yet Fish. I will get to it later.) I am happy for the good things but know to expect the bad things. If all we ever have is a good, easy, trouble-free, smooth path in life, what's the point? Without any bad, we cannot appreciate the good.
I agree with you. Its either all God or none is God. Free will may or may not have a part. (I have not read your link yet Fish. I will get to it later.) I am happy for the good things but know to expect the bad things. If all we ever have is a good, easy, trouble-free, smooth path in life, what's the point? Without any bad, we cannot appreciate the good.
quote:Originally posted by Monette:
Isn't he the one writing a book, called
"1001 Bottles of Vodka on the Wall" or something like that....Rev, yeah right! LOL
I'm sure his flock doesn't mind following his
example, however.
That was very uncalled for. Tom Osborne is a respectable, educated man. And he is a reverend. He's ordained in the Episcopal church. You should check your facts before spouting off.
It never ceases to amaze me how the uneducated will stoop to namecalling and get emotional rather that debate rationally.
Monette needs to publicly apologize to Tom, Jacqui, Matt and his grand daughter, as well as everyone who attends services in the parish of Trinity as well as neighboring churches. And to the faculty and staff and students and alumni of UNA.
This is precisely why people are scared of you funnydamentalists, with an accent on the "mental." You will stoop to nothing to show how righteous you are. Now go take a chill pill, darling, and see what your own life is like before you spout out nonsense more noxious than you have in the past.
You need to go to church and not to hoop and holler but to get on your knees -- I certainly do, and don't make such disgusting thoughts public as you do.
Have you no shame at all? They make pills for your kkkind now, I hear.
This is precisely why people are scared of you funnydamentalists, with an accent on the "mental." You will stoop to nothing to show how righteous you are. Now go take a chill pill, darling, and see what your own life is like before you spout out nonsense more noxious than you have in the past.
You need to go to church and not to hoop and holler but to get on your knees -- I certainly do, and don't make such disgusting thoughts public as you do.
Have you no shame at all? They make pills for your kkkind now, I hear.
Did the man write a book or not? If he did, I would like to know the title. Maybe I was misinformed...I said that before.
NH, I only told you what happened many years ago when
I was fighting pornography...he started a letter to the editor writing campaign against me...you can ask him. I am sure he will remember. What is there to apologize for?
Just a difference of opinion....
NH, I only told you what happened many years ago when
I was fighting pornography...he started a letter to the editor writing campaign against me...you can ask him. I am sure he will remember. What is there to apologize for?
Just a difference of opinion....
I was reading today in my spiritual reading by Ernest Holmes, "Therefore, we detach all confusion from the mind by identifying ourselves with the Spirit. God is not poor, not weak, not unhappy; God is not frustrated; God is not in lack; and what is true about God is true about us; therefore, there is no unhappiness to the Real Self. There is no insecurity in the Spiritual Ego. There is no frustration in the Mind of God within us."
"When we are willing to seek first that connection with the all-good or the conscious connection with the Divine (God), sure enough, all else will follow, and we'll be more content in the process." by Kathianne Lewis
"When we are willing to seek first that connection with the all-good or the conscious connection with the Divine (God), sure enough, all else will follow, and we'll be more content in the process." by Kathianne Lewis
so right, Erotie,
You are truly a pitiful spiteful woman, aren't you? How dare you say anything about Tom Osborne at all, except "Forgive me for what I said about you, your ministry and your person."
When was that foot shaking supposed to have occurred? Maybe you forgot. Perhaps the arduous task of finding out about Spanish gender in nouns and adjectives agreement sent you over the edge. Who knows? You were mighty quiet for a day or so, until I guess the fix of hooping for Jesus got worked out of your system.
p.s. Do you do nude portraits from life, by chance?
I was quiet a couple of days because I have a life outside this forum. I am in the midst of remodeling my house. Can't stay on line 24/7 like some people.
P.S. If Monette doesn't, I know someone we all love who does, that is make nude pictures of oneself. Wanna see!!!
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_a5pK...E/s1600-h/cho_sm.jpg
Y'all remember that the Notorious C.H.O. loves all the big girls and gay boys who have no one else to love them!
May the C.H.O. be with you all and remain amongst you now and forever!
Y'all remember that the Notorious C.H.O. loves all the big girls and gay boys who have no one else to love them!
May the C.H.O. be with you all and remain amongst you now and forever!
then I guess you are including yourself, Nuthugger
Monette, you are so funny!!!!! My big laugh for the night.
Got a new song that I wrote today: She ain't nothin but a hodog, crying all the time, She ain't nothin but a hodog, crying all the time. She ain't got no money and She ain't no friend of mine.
Got a new song that I wrote today: She ain't nothin but a hodog, crying all the time, She ain't nothin but a hodog, crying all the time. She ain't got no money and She ain't no friend of mine.
Nuthugger? What in the world is that? An insult? Is it along the line of "fart knocker," perhaps or something equally frightening?
Frankly, it sounds vaguely sexual and rather frightening, given what the Fundamentalists are known to specialize in the bedroom. Remember that preacher in McNairy County making his wife wear the ho' shoes and wig? Why, that isn't even vaguely erotic except in a campy sense! It took a jury of dolts to go easy on her for that one -- now she could have made it a lot more sordid and gotten off with time served! Ho shoes and a wig! Why, that is half of LA County on a Friday night!
Are you ready to embrace your inner C.H.O.? She loves all those no one else does! Especially the big girls and gay boys! You know what is great about la Maggie? She just flat out doesn't judge people. Oh, she mocks them, but in a good natured way to show how odd it is to take oneself too seriously.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_a5pK...E/s1600-h/cho_sm.jpg
Frankly, it sounds vaguely sexual and rather frightening, given what the Fundamentalists are known to specialize in the bedroom. Remember that preacher in McNairy County making his wife wear the ho' shoes and wig? Why, that isn't even vaguely erotic except in a campy sense! It took a jury of dolts to go easy on her for that one -- now she could have made it a lot more sordid and gotten off with time served! Ho shoes and a wig! Why, that is half of LA County on a Friday night!
Are you ready to embrace your inner C.H.O.? She loves all those no one else does! Especially the big girls and gay boys! You know what is great about la Maggie? She just flat out doesn't judge people. Oh, she mocks them, but in a good natured way to show how odd it is to take oneself too seriously.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_a5pK...E/s1600-h/cho_sm.jpg
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Monette, that lady or whatever favors someone we all know and love.
Getting off for tonight. I have a busy day tomorrow signing final papers.
You guys and girls or whatever, have fun.
Getting off for tonight. I have a busy day tomorrow signing final papers.
You guys and girls or whatever, have fun.
Neal, it's interseting that you expect an apology if someone says anything against your Rev...but you bash every preacher or religious person there is, short of the Pope and Billy Graham, and I am sure you detest them as well...If anyone needs to apologize, it should be you. That pic looks remarkably like tu brujita....LOL
Me too, Ero, got to get ready for that trip !
Not true at all, I only call out the charlatans and fakes. I can't stand this current Bishop of Rome, but loved the two prior even with their refusing to renounce the papacy's high handed single handed pronouncement of papal infallibility when the Bishop of Rome spoke ex cathedra and the rather odd dogma of the Imm. Conception of the BVM to dogma. John XXVIII did more for the universal church than probably anyone in the XX century.
I adore Bishop Spong and the Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams! I admire all the Franciscans and the Melanesian Brotherhood doing the good work in the jungles of the Solomons and P-NG with little outside European assistance at all -- they don't need it! Add in the people of Catholic Charities and St. Vincent de Sales, OxFam, the Church Army, etc. and there are a lot of people I admire deeply who are clergy or religious order members. Oh, Desmond Tutu, too too!
It is the ranters who hoot and holler and call down brimstone and claim to stave off hurricanes or steer them in order to get their diamonds polished and private jets replaced and to fleece gullible that I detest with a passion. Take those pink wigs and capped teeth and plastic hair and throw them onto the bonfire of the vanities!
Embrace your inner C.H.O. sister, she loves you!
I adore Bishop Spong and the Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams! I admire all the Franciscans and the Melanesian Brotherhood doing the good work in the jungles of the Solomons and P-NG with little outside European assistance at all -- they don't need it! Add in the people of Catholic Charities and St. Vincent de Sales, OxFam, the Church Army, etc. and there are a lot of people I admire deeply who are clergy or religious order members. Oh, Desmond Tutu, too too!
It is the ranters who hoot and holler and call down brimstone and claim to stave off hurricanes or steer them in order to get their diamonds polished and private jets replaced and to fleece gullible that I detest with a passion. Take those pink wigs and capped teeth and plastic hair and throw them onto the bonfire of the vanities!
Embrace your inner C.H.O. sister, she loves you!
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NH, I read your posts and after about 10 minutes I start feeling like I fell down the rabbit hole? One minute you're interesting and then you flip into a rant with no beginning and no end.
This topic should have been called Stupid Fundies but perhaps the title was meant as satire. A few of us on here understand that kind of humor.
Magicalis, I merely follow the example of Our Unutterable Digrammaton, Bet Lamed of California and our own local master of Braying.
If you really want to go meet the Mad Hatter, just go to one of the chapels some of our neighbors enjoy, or "Hooting in the Holler". You will get loud amplified music, passionate "preaching" and if lucky, someone will get the Spirit and speak in "unknown tongues" or do a dance or have a convulsion. There might be a healing. And instant salvation will be wrought for many!
If you really want to go meet the Mad Hatter, just go to one of the chapels some of our neighbors enjoy, or "Hooting in the Holler". You will get loud amplified music, passionate "preaching" and if lucky, someone will get the Spirit and speak in "unknown tongues" or do a dance or have a convulsion. There might be a healing. And instant salvation will be wrought for many!
Wow, UNA history department drama! I am a big Tom Osborne fan. He and the Rieffs were incredibly kind to me when my mother died during my last semester at UNA.