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It may be true that Jim Jones was in fact an atheist. I don't think that matters so much in this discussion. His followers were religious. He used religion and religious practices to snare his victims. He was a megalomaniac. The way he was able to get these people to kill themselves and their children is what is so scary about religion. It can be used against the gullible in horrific ways.

 

Could an atheist use religion to do bad things? Yes. I think it happens all the time. I would bet that most religious leaders don't really believe what they preach. However they have figured out how to get what they want by using the brainwashing techneques of religion and the power of using superstition and delusion to convince people to follow them.

 

So could this happen to a Humanist group? No. You have to have followers that are able to be manipulated by religious belief. Humanist and atheist would not fall for such things. We are skeptical and demand proof. We are free thinkers and would not be suceptible to the kind of mass delusion that religious people are.

 

So yes Jim Jones could have been an atheist. His followers however believed he was the son of God and that they were going on to their reward. They believed he could heal them with powers given to him by God.

 

There are bad atheist and bad theist. There are good atheist and good theist. Sometimes bad atheist can use their knowledge of just how gullible humans can be when it comes to the supernatural and superstitious beliefs against them.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Ono, you are only angry at me because I don't like you and I don't have a problem telling you that. I honestly think something is wrong with you because of the way you go off the rails at me because I  won't suck up to you. You've been "talked to" a lot worse than I ever talked to you, but you don't take them on and we both know why. I don't start with you, you start with me. IF you want to keep reading my posts and putting yourself in that agitated state have at it. You don't bother me at all. I think you're a lonely person with no family or friends in "real" life, and this forum is all you have. That's made you mad at the world.  Add to that you're missing all your attack buddies, you know, the ones that got banned, and now you're having to do your own dirty work. I wish you could know how little you mean to me, and now I'm almost beginning to pity you. It's almost sad to watch.

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Actually Jennifer, I'm GLAD you don't like me. I would be certain there was something majorly wrong with me if someone like you liked me.

 

So, who is it who talked to me worse than you? And you say I don't take them on and we both know why? Let me in on who it is and what your reason is because I have no idea. The only other person I had a strong dislike for was Unob, and that was for the same reason I can't stomach you - because I despise liars, both Unob and you.

 

It's funny that you think I don't have any friends or family. I post on this forum while I am at work. Then I go home to real life. I've noticed that YOU post here at all hours of the day and night. Must be because you care so much about your husband and kids, huh? You figure the more time you spend away from them and on the computer, the longer they might like you? I bet they ENCOURAGE you to go play on the computer so they can enjoy their time without you.

 

Originally Posted by O No!:

I've noticed that YOU post here at all hours of the day and night. Must be because you care so much about your husband and kids, huh? You figure the more time you spend away from them and on the computer, the longer they might like you? I bet they ENCOURAGE you to go play on the computer so they can enjoy their time without you.

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Oops, I stay on the computer a lot too.

1. because I enjoy it. 2. because it's where my business is. 3. because I have family/friends out of state & we chat by way of computer.

If my Grandbabies come in, I get off. If my husband gets off his computer & wants to go somewhere/do something, I get off too. We each believe we shouldn't have to keep the other entertained.

 

Ono you don't see me on here past a normal "bedtime" unless I'm getting caught up on work. We were closed for 4 and 1/2 days for thanksgiving so I got a little behind on orders. Yes, I'm here late sometimes if it is any of your business.  We do run a business after all, and I do have a website to maintain, and at times I have to do that at night. Now the "all hours of the night" is one of your lies. The latest may be around 12 IF I am working on our website, and that would be on the weekend.  As far as days, I work at the computer all day. By the way, I am up every morning at 5:30 a.m. every day of the week.

 My husband is sitting about 10 feet from me, my kids, gasp, have a life and are old enough that they don't sit up under their parents. Now then ono, tell me why it's been YOU that has constantly begged me to "call a truce" when it's been YOU that runs around making sure you post on every thread I make trying to start an argument. If you don't start with me I never have anything to "say" to you. I think something is very wrong with you, but like I said, if you want to keep agitating yourself it's your right. No skin off my nose at all. You're all over the place in the way you post, "jennifer you're intelligent why can't we just blah blah blah", then you turn right around and post, "you're so ignorant and bitter and blah blah blah".  Sheesh lady, get some help.

No Jennifer, I can't recall ever saying you are ignorant. I have told you it is obvious that you are intelligent because it's true.

 

If you recall, I tried to call a truce with you for the sake of our mutual friend Semi. And not only did you refuse to answer that thread, but you disappeared from the forum for a couple of days and then came back with a different name. I ASSUMED it was because you didn't want to look bad in Semi's eyes by refusing, so for a minute there you decided to disappear and become someone else. That was my ASSUMPTION, but I never brought that up because I wasn't sure.

 

But you kept upwith the "hate speech", so I decided, seeing it is obvious that you will never even try to civil to someone you don't like, to just start firing back. I actually DON'T follow all of your posts, but when I see something you have twisted, lied about, or just been unusually nasty about (even for YOU), I will jump on it, just like I would anyone else. It just happens that Unob, the champion of all liars is gone, and you are the only one left who is so blatantly dishonest and mean.

 

 

Originally Posted by O No!:

No Jennifer, I can't recall ever saying you are ignorant. I have told you it is obvious that you are intelligent because it's true.

 

If you recall, I tried to call a truce with you for the sake of our mutual friend Semi. And not only did you refuse to answer that thread, but you disappeared from the forum for a couple of days and then came back with a different name. I ASSUMED it was because you didn't want to look bad in Semi's eyes by refusing, so for a minute there you decided to disappear and become someone else. That was my ASSUMPTION, but I never brought that up because I wasn't sure.

 

But you kept upwith the "hate speech", so I decided, seeing it is obvious that you will never even try to civil to someone you don't like, to just start firing back. I actually DON'T follow all of your posts, but when I see something you have twisted, lied about, or just been unusually nasty about (even for YOU), I will jump on it, just like I would anyone else. It just happens that Unob, the champion of all liars is gone, and you are the only one left who is so blatantly dishonest and mean.

 

 

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i don't read that .  she's average at best. She don't comprehend.

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