I think everyone needs to be aware of the 'danger signs' of the depression leading up to suicide.
But I have heard too many top Doctor's in the USA say that if someone is hell-bent on suicide, it will happen and NO ONE can intercede. The HELP comes first IF the warning signs are there.
Telling people they could have prevented it is unfair, to say the least. Depression is sometimes hidden so deep that no one even knows until it is too late.
boogie oogie oogie"
Told on yourself, Miss Maynard!
Told on yourself, Miss Maynard!
quote:Originally posted by m_white1:
boogie oogie oogie"
Told on yourself, Miss Maynard!
And just how was that?
quote:Originally posted by Sunshine-EMS:
I am a paramedic and yes suicides are increasing in The Shoals. I bet we run at least 10 ATTEMPTED suicides a week. Possibly more than that. It is the most selfish act I can think of. If the people committing suicide could HALF WAY imagine the pain and suffering they cause, surely they wouldn't do it.
I personally feel that alot of the attempted suicides are for attention, or maybe I should say that the people are needing a way to let their friends/family know that something is up, and they can't think of any other way to ask for help. Or they have tried to ask for help and nobody takes them seriously. That's just my opinion. It's very sad either way.
suicide and attempted suicide are two completely different things. attempts are usually someone seeking attention or help but suicide is death. you running several attempts mean nothing on the suicide rates.
quote:Originally posted by Maynard J. Keenan:quote:Originally posted by m_white1:
boogie oogie oogie"
Told on yourself, Miss Maynard!
And just how was that?
over and out? what does that mean? i can see how it looks but i amnot sure what your message is intending?
quote:Originally posted by *~*Manda*~*:
I didn't see what you originally said MJK, so, I can't say anything about it.
However, I know of 4 people, all around my age, that were all pretty good friends of mine that have killed themselves in the last 2 years.
One of which was a best friend of mine pretty much since I was a small child. From our teens until near twenties, he pretty much lived at my house, we hung out so much. He was a great guy, but along the way, with work, and marriages, he and I lost contact.
He told ALL of his friends that he was depressed, joked about it all too. None of them took him seriously. I still to this day regret becoming disconnected with him, because I /Would/ have been the friend to him that he needed so badly. He didn't turn to me though, because from what he told others, he didn't want to worry me.
Still, they didn't take him seriously, and while visiting his parents, he went in, took out a gun and shot himself. His parent's didn't even know how depressed he was, only his friends.
If I blame anything (other than him), it would be those people that didn't take him seriously. I found all this out, ironically enough, at his funeral. Several of his friends, I knew well too, and they told me he had been talking about it for a long time, but they didn't think he'd do it. I got so mad that after I said my goodbyes to him, and paid my respects to his parents, I just had to get out of there.
I may be slammed for this, I don't know, but people really should notice more about what is going on with the people they love. If someone jokes around a lot about Suicide, then it should send a red flag out. There is Something wrong, or bothering that person so greatly that they keep mentioning their death.
This was the first one of my friends that committed suicide, and here it is nearly two years later and I still grieve over my friend that was more like a brother to me, than a friend. Suicide is a permenant solution to what most likely is a temporary problem. It's never an answer.
If you know someone that exhibits suicidal tendencies, then be a true friend to them. Help them by talking to them and letting them know they are not alone. That's normally what most that kills themselves, need.
So, yes, I /know/ for a fact (to my knowledge) that suicides around here are increasing. Before two years ago, I'd only hear about people killing themselves once a year, if that.
The Shoals, not to blame though. It's usually never about Where they live, anyway. It is usually about being lonely or feeling all alone in the world through situations that are extremely emotional.
Be a friend, if that ever happens to someone you know. It could really be the difference between life and death.
I wish I could have been for my friends that have died this way.
~Amanda
my heart goes out to you manda for the loss of a friend.
quote:Originally posted by GTO4ever:
over and out? what does that mean? i can see how it looks but i amnot sure what your message is intending?
It means "over" and "out". It means my post is over. Goodbye..... sincerely...... sayonara...... adios...... until we meet again. It shows up on all my posts. It has nothing to do with the topic of suicide.
quote:Do you think some of these suicides may be from some of this medication that some doctors prescribe for depression..
Or maybe some of these suicides are by people who owe half a million dollars for their houses then lose their job that pays too much, their "beautiful wife" gets sick of his crap and runs off with the gardener, their kids "come out" and admit to their drug use their money has been paying for, and they finally realize they've lived their life as an ass hole.
I would rather have my child, my two cars that I'm still paying on, a husband with a job that doesn't pay nearly enough, and live in my $115,000 house than to be the "over and out" guy.
My point exactly.
Haters. Haters. Haters.
quote:Haters. Haters. Haters.
Over & Out,
Maynard
Goofy, goofy, goofy.
East bound and down. (Hey, I can use outdated terms, too!)
Actually, I have three beautiful wives, a 5 million dollar house, and a dozen porsches. All paid for. And I don't work. I'm independently wealthy with a trust fund that pays $125k/month.
And my gardener wears a bikini. She's from Brazil and smokin hot.
And my gardener wears a bikini. She's from Brazil and smokin hot.
All that and your vivid imagination, too! You are one lucky man (I assume you are a man.)!
Ten-four.
Ten-four.
Vic13 did you mean to type "ten four good buddy" ? LOL
Breaker Breaker MJK,
No haters here. We just don't appreciate the insensitive comments that you have made.
Breaker Breaker MJK,
No haters here. We just don't appreciate the insensitive comments that you have made.
quote:Vic13 did you mean to type "ten four good buddy" ? LOL
Breaker Breaker MJK,
No haters here. We just don't appreciate the insensitive comments that you have made.
You said it better than me. I can't remember all those old phrases. I don't mind his insensitive comments, I think he's a hoot.
quote:Originally posted by vick13:quote:Haters. Haters. Haters.
Over & Out,
Maynard
Goofy, goofy, goofy.
East bound and down. (Hey, I can use outdated terms, too!)
ROFLLLLLLLLLLMAO!!! I think you two GIRLS just won
But I am not a bit surprised
quote:Originally posted by Maynard J. Keenan:
Actually, I have three beautiful wives, a 5 million dollar house, and a dozen porsches. All paid for. And I don't work. I'm independently wealthy with a trust fund that pays $125k/month.
And my gardener wears a bikini. She's from Brazil and smokin hot.
"SHAKES HEAD" uh-huh!!!!!
Looks like Moon over Homewood has changed his name to m_white1 for some reason. Maybe he sobered up and sees what he has been typing on here.
There have been so many subjects brought up in this forum that I would like to address.
One thing is about antidepressants causing suicidal thoughts and suicides. People who are severely depressed often don't have the energy or desire to even think about suicide. The antidepressants give them energy and sometimes before they reach the state of feeling better they do have thougths of suicide and carry through with it. People on antidepressants are often warned of this and caring family members know to watch for this.
Yes suicide is an extremely selfish act in most occassions. But when a person is extremely depressed he is thinking only that he is a burdon on others because he is so severely unhappy he can not picture than he could be anyone that anyone else would want to be around. He finds no worth in himself. He is also so lonely and unhappy he doesn't have rational thought to consider that his act is hurting someone else.
As for people bashing the quad city area, that is everywhere , isn't it? I don't live in Florence anymore, I live 100 miles away but I still have family there and it will always be my home in my heart and I have been away since I was 20. I am retired now so I have been away quite a few years. I could make a list of pros and cons of living in North Al and it would be very similar to one I would make about living where I do now. Every place has good and bad features. I think I am happier where I live now than I would be in the quadcities but for different reasons than others might feel. I have medical problems that make me happy to be near medical facilities I trust. The quad cities could be a much better area to live in than it is but it also has so much to offer that large cities don't have. Maybe I should start a forum on what is great about the area and about what could be improved on, or maybe someone else could do that. Bashing an area is not how to improve it. Working together is how to improve it and also taking advantage of the wonderful things the area already has to offer.
People carry feelings about an area and their perception of it forever. If I based my feelings on my miserable highschool years I wouldn't care for the area either. But I realize now a lot of my unhappiness was due not only to the other kids in my class but also to my own actions because I was very shy and being a shy teenager is very difficult. It takes growth to recognize the good and the bad about a place. Anyone who looks for the good in an area will find it and anyone who looks for the bad will find it. signed: Lover of my old stomping grounds-- North Florence!
One thing is about antidepressants causing suicidal thoughts and suicides. People who are severely depressed often don't have the energy or desire to even think about suicide. The antidepressants give them energy and sometimes before they reach the state of feeling better they do have thougths of suicide and carry through with it. People on antidepressants are often warned of this and caring family members know to watch for this.
Yes suicide is an extremely selfish act in most occassions. But when a person is extremely depressed he is thinking only that he is a burdon on others because he is so severely unhappy he can not picture than he could be anyone that anyone else would want to be around. He finds no worth in himself. He is also so lonely and unhappy he doesn't have rational thought to consider that his act is hurting someone else.
As for people bashing the quad city area, that is everywhere , isn't it? I don't live in Florence anymore, I live 100 miles away but I still have family there and it will always be my home in my heart and I have been away since I was 20. I am retired now so I have been away quite a few years. I could make a list of pros and cons of living in North Al and it would be very similar to one I would make about living where I do now. Every place has good and bad features. I think I am happier where I live now than I would be in the quadcities but for different reasons than others might feel. I have medical problems that make me happy to be near medical facilities I trust. The quad cities could be a much better area to live in than it is but it also has so much to offer that large cities don't have. Maybe I should start a forum on what is great about the area and about what could be improved on, or maybe someone else could do that. Bashing an area is not how to improve it. Working together is how to improve it and also taking advantage of the wonderful things the area already has to offer.
People carry feelings about an area and their perception of it forever. If I based my feelings on my miserable highschool years I wouldn't care for the area either. But I realize now a lot of my unhappiness was due not only to the other kids in my class but also to my own actions because I was very shy and being a shy teenager is very difficult. It takes growth to recognize the good and the bad about a place. Anyone who looks for the good in an area will find it and anyone who looks for the bad will find it. signed: Lover of my old stomping grounds-- North Florence!
quote:Anyone who looks for the good in an area will find it and anyone who looks for the bad will find it. signed: Lover of my old stomping grounds-- North Florence!
You are so right Alakay, it is much better to approach problems from a positive standpoint than to surrender to negativity and hate. There has always been a conservative base here that impacts improvement and change, it has to be lived with and taken into consideration when you seek to improve an area. However for some the best solution is to pack and leave for greener pastures and they should go and not look back, but neither should they attempt to justify their decision by being negative and personal to the area and people they leave behind, that is just a weight they continue to wear around their neck when they constantly obsess on what they left, move forward and be positive. If people stay here let's all try to work together to make it suitable for all of us. The conservatives of the area should allow more freedom for others and not want to control every facet of their life and the more moderates and liberals should try to calm the fears of those that are suspect of change and ways of the modern world
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