Not long ago I lost a good freind who took her life, she never told anyone what she was going through. I wonder how many people have thought about it, or have you ever attmepted it or thought about it? With all the problems these day's seems it happens more now than ever before.
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ive thought about it many many times. but to be honest the only thing that kept me from actually doing it is the thought that if i did do it id go to hell. i felt like i had nothing to live for. i felt worthless and a waste of space. i was angry at God and at my parents for me being born. but i got put on meds and got help. im better now. but i do get depressed sometimes and think id be better off dead. but that usually passes. suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
CoolItGirl,

I'm so sorry for your loss. The few people I've known who committed suicide, I did not know very well - friends of friends kind of thing. But I am fortunate.

I do believe, with the downturn of the economy, depression is on the rise. Anytime there's a sense of hopelessness, the suicide rate goes up too. This isn't new. There was an immediate spike in suicides in 1929, after the "Great Crash". The suicide rate continued to be much higher than normal during the Great Depression and eventually fell during WWII. So times got better once before and they will get better again.

I think a big issue is the large amount of lonely people out there. Ironically, we have all these devices that help us to connect to each other now like the Internet and cell phones but I think people feel more isolated than ever.

Families move so much these days and rarely get to know their neighbors anymore. There's no sense of community. When a spouse dies, the widow/widower is alone for many years because people are living longer - which is a good thing, of course, but if the surviving spouse has no other family those last few years can get lonely. Then there's the mentally and physically disabled who, if they don't have family or some type of support, usually get their human companionship in the form of a home health aide or monthly appointment with a doctor.

I remember not too long ago watching a t.v. show about a day in the life of a medical examiner in, I think, Los Angeles. She investigated two suicides. One person died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound and the other stepped in front of a city bus (I think). Anyway, it was sad because she was having trouble locating family or friends for both victims. It took her a long time to find someone to inform of their deaths. Very sad.

So I say we need to start reaching out to people again. I mean, why not get to know your elderly neighbor? Just knock on the door and start talking. Older people are interesting and tell great stories. What about the guy in the community who keeps to himself and seems a bit strange? Maybe he wants a friend but is socially awkward and has no idea how to reach out.

How about offering a smile to those who are different from or who have less than you? (I mean a genuine smile, not a fake, sorority sister smile.) You never know what the smallest gesture could mean to someone.

And churches need to step up too, without trying to convert every visitor that walks through the doors. This is why many people don't turn to churches - especially the snotty mega-churches. They smell a hidden agenda.

Sorry my post is so long but this is a worthy thread. Suicide and depression need to be discussed more, and more honestly. There's no guarantee that anything you do will prevent someone from going through with suicide, but it can't hurt to really start reaching out to the lonely, the disabled and the depressed.

I hope you are speaking to someone about your own pain, CoolItGirl. You're in my thoughts.
I've never attempted suicide myself, or even considered it. God gave me some kind of strange determination to make it through I guess. Much of my childhood was pretty crappy because of an abusive step-father. I guess I felt like if I could get through that, then I'd have what it takes to get through anything. I just couldn't wait to turn 18 and take control of my own life; once that happened, I truly wanted to live.

However, I am human and there have been times in my life when being alive seemed useless - when life's pain had more points on the scoreboard than life's pleasure.

The only way I could see myself even considering taking my own life now is if something happened to my child. But I wouldn't want to live anyway if something happened to him, especially while he's young.
I have had two people in my life that took that route. I myself have contemplated it. But for me I knew first, I didn't have the guts, and two with my luck I would pull the trigger while publishers clearing house was knocking on the door. That was, if I did, it would have gotten better eventually and I wouldn't be there to see it. If you or someone you know is that depressed or miserable you must encourage them to seek help. See a minister, see a doctor, call a helpline,or call a friend or relative. And never give that person the opportunity to act on impulse by leaving them alone. Most suicides are commited when a person is alone. If you love them, be there for them. If it is you,..call somebody.


ps. I'm starting to feel like the official greeter, but welcome to our forum Smiler
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
CoolItGirl,

I'm so sorry for your loss. The few people I've known who committed suicide, I did not know very well - friends of friends kind of thing. But I am fortunate.

I do believe, with the downturn of the economy, depression is on the rise. Anytime there's a sense of hopelessness, the suicide rate goes up too. This isn't new. There was an immediate spike in suicides in 1929, after the "Great Crash". The suicide rate continued to be much higher than normal during the Great Depression and eventually fell during WWII. So times got better once before and they will get better again.

I think a big issue is the large amount of lonely people out there. Ironically, we have all these devices that help us to connect to each other now like the Internet and cell phones but I think people feel more isolated than ever.

Families move so much these days and rarely get to know their neighbors anymore. There's no sense of community. When a spouse dies, the widow/widower is alone for many years because people are living longer - which is a good thing, of course, but if the surviving spouse has no other family those last few years can get lonely. Then there's the mentally and physically disabled who, if they don't have family or some type of support, usually get their human companionship in the form of a home health aide or monthly appointment with a doctor.

I remember not too long ago watching a t.v. show about a day in the life of a medical examiner in, I think, Los Angeles. She investigated two suicides. One person died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound and the other stepped in front of a city bus (I think). Anyway, it was sad because she was having trouble locating family or friends for both victims. It took her a long time to find someone to inform of their deaths. Very sad.

So I say we need to start reaching out to people again. I mean, why not get to know your elderly neighbor? Just knock on the door and start talking. Older people are interesting and tell great stories. What about the guy in the community who keeps to himself and seems a bit strange? Maybe he wants a friend but is socially awkward and has no idea how to reach out.

How about offering a smile to those who are different from or who have less than you? (I mean a genuine smile, not a fake, sorority sister smile.) You never know what the smallest gesture could mean to someone.

And churches need to step up too, without trying to convert every visitor that walks through the doors. This is why many people don't turn to churches - especially the snotty mega-churches. They smell a hidden agenda.

Sorry my post is so long but this is a worthy thread. Suicide and depression need to be discussed more, and more honestly. There's no guarantee that anything you do will prevent someone from going through with suicide, but it can't hurt to really start reaching out to the lonely, the disabled and the depressed.

I hope you are speaking to someone about your own pain, CoolItGirl. You're in my thoughts.
........GREAT POST, BUTTERCUP!!!!!
My father committed suicide in 1997 and I have attempted it twice for reasons I will not go into here. Looking back I ask myself,"What were you thinking"? Almost everyone in my family has a chemical imbalance that causes this depression. I would advise anyone to seek help for themselves or their loved ones if suffering from depression. If someone you know suffers from depression, first reassure tham that it's not their fault, then suggest to them that they may have a chemical imbalance. If they won't seek help for themselves then you take matters into your own hands and call the suicide hotline, ask them what you can do for your loved one.

Buttercup, you nailed it on the head, great post I could've have said it better myself.
I lost a very close cousin to this affliction ten years ago.
Suicide is a selfish cowardly act where nobody at all wins! It leaves the rest of us with only more questions than we started out with and the pain of the loss of a loved one that stays in your heart forever.
If it is ever suspected that I have committed suicide then I implore you to launch an investigation because it is not so!
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Originally posted by leo:
I think Just- meant to say ANOTHER great post Buttercup. Two thumbs up and a big ol grin Big Grin


Thank you, Just, leo and O No!

I'm no C.O.B.R.A., but I do my best. Wink

I'm just not the kind of person who ignores the elephant in the room. So many people still think depression and suicide are taboo subjects that shouldn't be discussed. Well, I disagree and argue that pretending there's not a problem almost always exacerbates the problem.

People have got to stop popping so many antidepressants and abusing alcohol, start facing whatever is causing the depression, slay the monster and move on with life. I think it's the only way to experience lasting peace.
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
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Originally posted by leo:
I think Just- meant to say ANOTHER great post Buttercup. Two thumbs up and a big ol grin Big Grin


Thank you, Just, leo and O No!

I'm no C.O.B.R.A., but I do my best. Wink

I'm just not the kind of person who ignores the elephant in the room. So many people still think depression and suicide are taboo subjects that shouldn't be discussed. Well, I disagree and argue that pretending there's not a problem almost always exacerbates the problem.

People have got to stop popping so many antidepressants and abusing alcohol, start facing whatever is causing the depression, slay the monster and move on with life. I think it's the only way to experience lasting peace.



Buddha taught you well! Big Grin
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
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Originally posted by leo:
I think Just- meant to say ANOTHER great post Buttercup. Two thumbs up and a big ol grin Big Grin


Thank you, Just, leo and O No!

I'm no C.O.B.R.A., but I do my best. Wink

I'm just not the kind of person who ignores the elephant in the room. So many people still think depression and suicide are taboo subjects that shouldn't be discussed. Well, I disagree and argue that pretending there's not a problem almost always exacerbates the problem.

People have got to stop popping so many antidepressants and abusing alcohol, start facing whatever is causing the depression, slay the monster and move on with life. I think it's the only way to experience lasting peace.



Your right. I'm not going to take my antidepressants any more. I feel better when I take them but I'm going to have a go at it without my pill starting tomorrow. thanks
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Originally posted by Javier:
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
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Originally posted by leo:
I think Just- meant to say ANOTHER great post Buttercup. Two thumbs up and a big ol grin Big Grin


Thank you, Just, leo and O No!

I'm no C.O.B.R.A., but I do my best. Wink

I'm just not the kind of person who ignores the elephant in the room. So many people still think depression and suicide are taboo subjects that shouldn't be discussed. Well, I disagree and argue that pretending there's not a problem almost always exacerbates the problem.

People have got to stop popping so many antidepressants and abusing alcohol, start facing whatever is causing the depression, slay the monster and move on with life. I think it's the only way to experience lasting peace.



Your right. I'm not going to take my antidepressants any more. I feel better when I take them but I'm going to have a go at it without my pill starting tomorrow. thanks


I think you missed the point. I didn't say no one under any circumstances should take antidepressants. What I am saying is they are over-prescribed.

When a patient tells her family doctor she's experiencing symptoms of depression, chances are the doctor will write a prescription for an antidepressant and that will be the end of it. Well what does that do? How does taking a pill address the underlying problem?

I'm sure antidepressants do a great job of numbing whatever is causing the depression but they don't completely alleviate it - unless you're willing to pop the pills for life.

What does work is combinations like cognitive therapy - where you identify and change your thinking, certain behaviors, etc. - alone, or therapy and antidepressants for a short while.

I'm just saying antidepressants shouldn't be taken year after year. Who do you know of that's taken them for years and is no longer depressed? I know of no one. They've become a security blanket to some people. You have to face the problem and deal with it at some point. Continuing to dull your senses with drugs won't get you there, however.

I think if you are suicidal, you should definitely use whatever therapy works; however, if you are depressed, your wellness plan should include other things that have been known to help like implementing a good diet and exercise plan, surrounding yourself with positive people, finding a support group, etc.
Buttercup, while I think you are a very intelligent person and respect your opinions, you are way way off on your opinion of anti-depressants, their ingredients and why they're used. Most anti-depressants are simply serotonin reuptakes. Serotonin is a chemical in the brain which we all have , however, some people have low serotonin levels which causes depression. This is why myself and all my sisters take medication for depression.I have never heard of a way to increase these levels naturally so I and my sisters will be on meds for the rest of our lives.

Without my meds I become suicidal, wouldd you have me take my own life leaving behind my husband and children?

Before you make such harsh statements about those taking antidepressants please do some research on the chemical causes of depression first. Therapy works only if the depression is caused by their environment or lifestyle.
How right you are ms. wonka. Chemical imbalances in a person have no relevance regarding therapy. Serotonin is also a chemical that decreases in production as we age, particularly women.
So Javier, please do not discontinue your medications based on a lay person's opinion. Depending upon your condition, it can be very dangerous. If you really feel for whatever reason you'd like to discontinue your medication, it is a decision that should be made between you and your doctor.
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Originally posted by ms. wonka:
Buttercup, while I think you are a very intelligent person and respect your opinions, you are way way off on your opinion of anti-depressants, their ingredients and why they're used. Most anti-depressants are simply serotonin reuptakes. Serotonin is a chemical in the brain which we all have , however, some people have low serotonin levels which causes depression. This is why myself and all my sisters take medication for depression.I have never heard of a way to increase these levels naturally so I and my sisters will be on meds for the rest of our lives.

Without my meds I become suicidal, wouldd you have me take my own life leaving behind my husband and children?

Before you make such harsh statements about those taking antidepressants please do some research on the chemical causes of depression first. Therapy works only if the depression is caused by their environment or lifestyle.


ms. wonka,

I would never wish for you (or anyone) to take your own life. If you've tried other options and they don't work, then certainly you should take anti-depressants and stay alive.

I have done research on the chemical causes of depression, low serotonin levels, etc., because I've had issues with depression too. I took an anti-depressant for several months and, yes, it leveled me out but it also dulled what I think is the best part of me: my creative side. And it didn't make the underlying cause of the depression go away because I wasn't dealing with it.

So then I started doing my own research about the long-term use of anti-depressants. They are drugs, you know, and all drugs come with risks to your organs, but I won't get into that. You're smart and can research it for yourself.

I finally made myself face what was causing my depression. I had serious trust issues because of a horrible step-father. So I talked to someone who helped me straighten it all out, got myself some very good books to read on alternatives to drug therapy, became a vegetarian and started exercising and basically stopped worrying about the future and the past.

I'm not saying that will work for everyone; it obviously won't for you. I'm just saying there are too many people relying on pills for too long and NOT EVEN LOOKING at other methods; I thought my earlier post cleared that up.

Some of these people need to do something as simple as turning off their t.v. and computer because all the negativity - from 24 hour news, etc. - can get to those who aren't equipped to handle it and that alone can cause depression.

Do you not think anti-depressants are over-prescribed in many cases? Do you really think everyone who's on them really needs to be taking them?
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Originally posted by TokyoLove:
How right you are ms. wonka. Chemical imbalances in a person have no relevance regarding therapy. Serotonin is also a chemical that decreases in production as we age, particularly women.
So Javier, please do not discontinue your medications based on a lay person's opinion. Depending upon your condition, it can be very dangerous. If you really feel for whatever reason you'd like to discontinue your medication, it is a decision that should be made between you and your doctor.


I doubt Javier would have stopped taking his medications based on what another poster on a forum says. Geez! Roll Eyes

And have you ever considered who's trying to over-sell the chemical imbalance line? The pharmaceutical industry that makes billions of dollars annually on the stuff, that's who.

Again, if you can read AND comprehend you will realize I did not say no one ever, at any time and under any circumstances needs to take anti-depressants.

I said they are (say it with me) O-VER-PER-SCRIBED!

I'll leave you with an interesting article to read on the mysterious spike in the depression diagnosis in the last 20 to 30 years. Couldn't have anything to do with profits now could it?

There's plenty more where this came from. Do some research.

Depression as a mass marketing campaign
Keith McLaughlin
The Argosy.ca
November 26, 2009

Since the emergence of antidepressant drugs in the early 1980s, more and more cases of depression are being reported. According to Dr. Brad Hagen, a clinical psychologist and faculty member at the University of Lethbridge, the reason for the skyrocketing rates of depression are a matter of heated debate.

“Depending on how you look at it, depression either started becoming more common or recognized, or it became marketed,” says Hagen.

In the 1950s, reported cases of depression were practically unheard of, but now the World Health Organization warns it could become the second leading cause of disability in the world by 2020.
Most persons with depression are treated by antidepressants, even though counseling – which can be significantly more expensive and time-consuming – has demonstrated equal effectiveness in offsetting feelings of depression. In the U.S, 87 per cent of physician visits for depression result in antidepressants being prescribed.

“Some question whether it’s an overinflated number because essentially there’s people that benefit from so many people being diagnosed,” says Hagen.
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
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Originally posted by TokyoLove:
How right you are ms. wonka. Chemical imbalances in a person have no relevance regarding therapy. Serotonin is also a chemical that decreases in production as we age, particularly women.
So Javier, please do not discontinue your medications based on a lay person's opinion. Depending upon your condition, it can be very dangerous. If you really feel for whatever reason you'd like to discontinue your medication, it is a decision that should be made between you and your doctor.


I doubt Javier would have stopped taking his medications based on what another poster on a forum says. Geez! Roll Eyes

And have you ever considered who's trying to over-sell the chemical imbalance line? The pharmaceutical industry that makes billions of dollars annually on the stuff, that's who.

Again, if you can read AND comprehend you will realize I did not say no one ever, at any time and under any circumstances needs to take anti-depressants. I said they are - say it with me - O-VER-PER-SCRIBED!

I'll leave you with an interesting article to read on the mysterious spike in the depression diagnosis in the last 20 to 30 years. Couldn't have anything to do with profits now could it?

There's plenty more where this came from. Do some research.

Depression as a mass marketing campaign
Keith McLaughlin
The Argosy.ca
November 26, 2009

Since the emergence of antidepressant drugs in the early 1980s, more and more cases of depression are being reported. According to Dr. Brad Hagen, a clinical psychologist and faculty member at the University of Lethbridge, the reason for the skyrocketing rates of depression are a matter of heated debate.

“Depending on how you look at it, depression either started becoming more common or recognized, or it became marketed,” says Hagen.

In the 1950s, reported cases of depression were practically unheard of, but now the World Health Organization warns it could become the second leading cause of disability in the world by 2020.
Most persons with depression are treated by antidepressants, even though counseling – which can be significantly more expensive and time-consuming – has demonstrated equal effectiveness in offsetting feelings of depression. In the U.S, 87 per cent of physician visits for depression result in antidepressants being prescribed.

“Some question whether it’s an overinflated number because essentially there’s people that benefit from so many people being diagnosed,” says Hagen.


Funny, I don't recall addressing you. Don't be so defensive. Maybe you needed those 'drugs' more than you realize. Wink
this thread my very well be real... i learned late last night that a close friend took his own life yesterday... i know he posted here.

check on your friends. pay attention to what's going on in their life. they may need you more than you know!
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
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ms. wonka,

I would never wish for you (or anyone) to take your own life. If you've tried other options and they don't work, then certainly you should take anti-depressants and stay alive.

I have done research on the chemical causes of depression, low serotonin levels, etc., because I've had issues with depression too. I took an anti-depressant for several months and, yes, it leveled me out but it also dulled what I think is the best part of me: my creative side. And it didn't make the underlying cause of the depression go away because I wasn't dealing with it.

So then I started doing my own research about the long-term use of anti-depressants. They are drugs, you know, and all drugs come with risks to your organs, but I won't get into that. You're smart and can research it for yourself.

I finally made myself face what was causing my depression. I had serious trust issues because of a horrible step-father. So I talked to someone who helped me straighten it all out, got myself some very good books to read on alternatives to drug therapy, became a vegetarian and started exercising and basically stopped worrying about the future and the past.

I'm not saying that will work for everyone; it obviously won't for you. I'm just saying there are too many people relying on pills for too long and NOT EVEN LOOKING at other methods; I thought my earlier post cleared that up.

Some of these people need to do something as simple as turning off their t.v. and computer because all the negativity - from 24 hour news, etc. - can get to those who aren't equipped to handle it and that alone can cause depression.

Do you not think anti-depressants are over-prescribed in many cases? Do you really think everyone who's on them really needs to be taking them?


Not bad, I could not agree more about meds being over prescribed and to think I had you pegged as one of those "there's a pill for everything" types. I once followed the advice of a counselor and allowed one of my sons to be put on medication for ADD, sure it calmed him down and he did a better job of concentrating on the tasks at hand but at the same time my witty, funny, and very smart son was gone too. Long story short, I took him off the meds. After taking him off the meds he was back to his old self and I just whipped the hyperactivity out him (sorry I had to throw that in somewhere) not really, I just learned to embrace the good with the bad because the bad was not all that bad and the good is awesome. Growing up he just learned to deal with it and has grown into a well adjusted (although somewhat flakey) adult without having to be on meds.
You seem somewhat kinda alright for a liberal vegetarian.
Wow...heavy conversation.

I've been there as well during a very dark period of my life. It was the thought of hurting my Grandmother, only person at that time with whom I could associate no pain - always good to me, that kept me from leaving this world behind me. I was on my way when her face flashed in my mind.

I didn't climb out of that pit until about 10 years later, however, and that was only by surrendering to God & letting him heal the brokenness and helping me to forgive. Forgiveness was absolutely key in staying out.

Then I began to recognize the first signs of a downward spiral & when I saw them, I took the steps that worked for me...counting my blessings, changing my surroundings, prayer, reading my Bible, helping someone else, etc. Even though I love my life, it still happens. I don't know why and can't pinpoint what triggers it. I just run for my life when it happens and into God's arms. That's what works for me.

I so sympathize with anyone who goes through this. I wonder sometimes if we all do to some extent.

I think it's wonderful that you all cared enough to share and that you want to help. You alright. Smiler
Great posts, buttercup!! I haven't posted here in months and very rarely even visit the TDF anymore but the recent loss of two classmates (both suicides and both with depression issues) has really had me thinking about causes and treatments for depression.

I think buttercup was pretty clear that you can't pigeon hole everyone that has depression as being able to be treated exactly the same.

I know someone who has attempted suicide (thankfully failed) and is treated with meds, therapy and most recently a diet change. All of the above is helping them...some. They still have "down" days.
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Originally posted by BFred07:
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
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ms. wonka,

I would never wish for you (or anyone) to take your own life. If you've tried other options and they don't work, then certainly you should take anti-depressants and stay alive.

I have done research on the chemical causes of depression, low serotonin levels, etc., because I've had issues with depression too. I took an anti-depressant for several months and, yes, it leveled me out but it also dulled what I think is the best part of me: my creative side. And it didn't make the underlying cause of the depression go away because I wasn't dealing with it.

So then I started doing my own research about the long-term use of anti-depressants. They are drugs, you know, and all drugs come with risks to your organs, but I won't get into that. You're smart and can research it for yourself.

I finally made myself face what was causing my depression. I had serious trust issues because of a horrible step-father. So I talked to someone who helped me straighten it all out, got myself some very good books to read on alternatives to drug therapy, became a vegetarian and started exercising and basically stopped worrying about the future and the past.

I'm not saying that will work for everyone; it obviously won't for you. I'm just saying there are too many people relying on pills for too long and NOT EVEN LOOKING at other methods; I thought my earlier post cleared that up.

Some of these people need to do something as simple as turning off their t.v. and computer because all the negativity - from 24 hour news, etc. - can get to those who aren't equipped to handle it and that alone can cause depression.

Do you not think anti-depressants are over-prescribed in many cases? Do you really think everyone who's on them really needs to be taking them?


Not bad, I could not agree more about meds being over prescribed and to think I had you pegged as one of those "there's a pill for everything" types. I once followed the advice of a counselor and allowed one of my sons to be put on medication for ADD, sure it calmed him down and he did a better job of concentrating on the tasks at hand but at the same time my witty, funny, and very smart son was gone too. Long story short, I took him off the meds. After taking him off the meds he was back to his old self and I just whipped the hyperactivity out him (sorry I had to throw that in somewhere) not really, I just learned to embrace the good with the bad because the bad was not all that bad and the good is awesome. Growing up he just learned to deal with it and has grown into a well adjusted (although somewhat flakey) adult without having to be on meds.
You seem somewhat kinda alright for a liberal vegetarian.


I'm a walking contradiction, Fred. I am staunchly anti-drug (for myself) but am for legalizing them for recreational use. Now before "What?" comes out of your mouth, see my thread about the "war on drugs" in News for an explanation.

*Let me be clear: What you are about to read is about drugs other than anti-depressants.*

People seem to take medication for every kind of pain in this country - even if the pain isn't at all severe. Aches and pains are normal and should be felt to a degree because they are the body's way of communicating to the brain. Don't get me wrong, I don't think I could have made it through childbirth without that lovely epidural, but childbirth is real pain.

Anyway, I had surgery a few years ago and my doctor prescribed both Vicodin and Percocet - and I mean a lot of it, when I only needed the Vicodin for like the first two days and I slowly stepped myself off the recommended dose of that. At day three, I threw away the remainder of the Vicodin and ripped up and threw away the Rx for the Percocet because I didn't need either of them.

So doctors need to take a closer look at this over-prescribing too. I know there are people who experience real pain due to real injuries and diseases, but some are taking way too many medications and for too long, which sets up the addiction cycle.

Back pain, like depression, is a major reason for visits to the doctor in this country. And just like depression, back pain complaints almost always result in a prescription for medication. I'm just being honest when I say some of these back pain sufferers need to get off their butts and lose weight. At the very least they need to walk and stretch, stop bending and twisting to lift, and stop lifting incorrectly. If they'd do that, the back pain would most likely subside, without the use of drugs.

It comes down to this: Just like with anti-depressants, people who take medications should be more proactive about their own healing. Just because a physician prescribes several refills of it, that doesn't mean you need to keep taking it if you no longer need it. Stop relying on it as soon as the pain stops. Don't set yourself up for the addiction path that destroys so many lives.

I don't know, maybe I just don't happen to have a so-called "addictive" personality. Then again, maybe I'm just that much of a control freak...or maybe I'm just not that weak.

*stepping off soapbox*

As for me seeming like a "somewhat kinda alright liberal vegetarian", Cage called me a maneater in another thread, so I'm unsure if the vegetarian part is still true. Big Grin
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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by The Bumble:
you should see her in person! talk about HAWT! Wink


I knew it Iknew it brains class AND a hottie Smiler


leo,

Bumble knows that stuff only works on me if he and "wifey" invite me over for homemade Sunday dinner. Big Grin
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by The Bumble:
you should see her in person! talk about HAWT! Wink


I knew it Iknew it brains class AND a hottie Smiler


leo,

Bumble knows that stuff only works on me if he and "wifey" invite me over for homemade Sunday dinner. Big Grin


idk about bumble, i'm coming to see you real soon!
I skipped my medicine today and I feel fine. I'm hope i can loose some weight now that I am not taking that stuff. I notice I put on a little weight when I started taking it. I'm glad to know that someone suports me quitting the stuff.
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Originally posted by Javier:
I skipped my medicine today and I feel fine. I'm hope i can loose some weight now that I am not taking that stuff. I notice I put on a little weight when I started taking it. I'm glad to know that someone suports me quitting the stuff.


Javier, you surely jest. Assuming this is just a little joke being played between you long time posters, I'm going on to bed. You are just pulling my leg Javier about stopping your meds. That can be a real danger.
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Originally posted by CrustyMac:
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Originally posted by Buttercup:



I said they are (say it with me) O-VER-PER-SCRIBED!



Why don't you say it with me instead: o-ver-PRE-scribed. Now you won't sound so country.


So you click on a thread about suicide - that includes a very serious discussion about depression and drug abuse - and all you have to offer is criticism, calling me "country" because I accidentally transposed two letters in a word (that I had previously spelled correctly)? Well done, Crusty, and not at all surprising coming from you.

Since Mrs. Crusty, or Mrs. Mac (or whatever you call her) must be on several drugs to be married to such a dullard, I'll make her an exception to my anti-drug position. Either she's popping many, many pills daily or she has an IQ of around 72. God help her. Smiler
The Bumble, you are right about that. T his steroid or whatever quick growth med. is what is causing our children to develope body parts wayyyyyy too soon. I wonder what the long term effect will be. Scary!!!! Little young girls looking like they are full grown women is very much something to be concerned about!!!!!!!
I was on an anti-depressant for years. It made life easier for my co-workers and ex-husband cos I was not such a "bi+ch" to co-workers, husbands, etc. I went off of them 5 years ago and guess what- I found that the "bi+ch" was actually a strong woman, determined, able and ready to stand up for myself. My ex before he was my ex wanted me to go back on them cos I was so much easier to live with. I am living life fuller and happier now that I ever have.

That said- there are people who DO need them to maintain the same life I have found without them. Don't take them if it makes OTHERS happier to be with you, take them if they make YOU happier to be with YOU!!!!!!

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