anybody else noticed the swastika flag hanging in the doorway of guns n such on court street?
looks real nice for folks visiting downtown.
what the #@&%?
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quote:Originally posted by mad American:
I havn't seen it, but how is that worse than all the chicken footprints [peace sybols] displayed around town.
It could be that he's trying to help remove the stigma of the swastika. It got it's bad rep because of the Nazi's.quote:Originally posted by canade:
I know Chip, he's not a Nazi. Don't know what's up with that.
quote:Originally posted by newshound62:
anybody else noticed the swastika flag hanging in the doorway of guns n such on court street?
looks real nice for folks visiting downtown.
what the #@&%?
quote:Originally posted by Lavergne:quote:Originally posted by newshound62:
anybody else noticed the swastika flag hanging in the doorway of guns n such on court street?
looks real nice for folks visiting downtown.
what the #@&%?
I would hope that most folks visiting downtown Florence are smart enough to recognize war memorabilia when they see it. It's in a gun store and pawn place so my guess is it's for sale. You have any idea how rare war memorabilia is and how much that stuff goes for on ebay?
My grandfather served for 6 years in WWII. Front lines. Germany. He saw some rough stuff that he never wanted to talk about and when I learned the details of how he came home and brought things home with him that had swastikas, I was smart enough to know that he was no Nazi. That was war, and he fought in it, and he brought those swastikas home because he understood the symbolism of doing so. He knew what it meant to him and to his platoon. Everyone else with any sense did, too.
The good news is that most people in Florence are smarter than you are, newshound, and they appreciate what my grandfather and his fellow soldiers did to protect our freedoms and our lives, and those of others across the world. I treasure the war relics that my grandfather brought home because I know what they represent. He raised a family, worked, and retired in Florence, and it was his home, and I know if he were alive he would be glad to hear there is yet another merchant in this city who appreciates the meaning that those relics held for him and the other soldiers who fought valiantly to bring home those banners.
I'd guess you're a spring chicken. Sad that kids your age don't understand the importance of those flags and the meaning they held and hold for the people who fought to bring them home. Do you realize many of those people brought those banners home to families that had grown up in their absence? Do you get the sacrifice that our soldiers made? The few relics left of WWII are not only worth preserving, but they are invaluable. I hope that the banner he has gets in to the hands of other good people who are far wiser and much more respectful than yourself.
quote:Originally posted by Sue Real:
Lavergne, I'm apparently older than you, because my father served in WWII, as did 3 other relatives that didn't survive it. No, Dad didn't bring any Nazi trinkets home with him and had contempt for those that did.
Nazi memorabilia, such as this flag, are NOT sold on Ebay. Here is their policy :
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/offensive.html
Perhaps it's valuable to some people, but what kind of customer would that be? Who would want something like that hanging in their living room?
quote:Originally posted by Lavergne:
I would hope that most folks visiting downtown Florence are smart enough to recognize war memorabilia when they see it.
quote:Originally posted by Unobtanium:quote:Originally posted by Lavergne:
I would hope that most folks visiting downtown Florence are smart enough to recognize war memorabilia when they see it.
sorry, not a chance.
quote:Originally posted by AtticFeline:quote:Originally posted by Unobtanium:quote:Originally posted by Lavergne:
I would hope that most folks visiting downtown Florence are smart enough to recognize war memorabilia when they see it.
sorry, not a chance.
Sadly, I would agree. Especially for visitors to our area. Combine it with the Confederate flags you see flying all over and it doesn't bode to well as a first impression. Then again, does anybody really care what "outsiders" may think?
quote:Originally posted by AtticFeline:quote:Originally posted by Unobtanium:quote:Originally posted by Lavergne:
I would hope that most folks visiting downtown Florence are smart enough to recognize war memorabilia when they see it.
sorry, not a chance.
Sadly, I would agree. Especially for visitors to our area. Combine it with the Confederate flags you see flying all over and it doesn't bode to well as a first impression. Then again, does anybody really care what "outsiders" may think?
quote:The Confederate Battle Flag and the Nazi flag are symbols of Hate that should not be displayed in public. They represent an opinion and that opinion is racial superiority. The shop owner may be a fine fellow, but he isn't community-minded. The next time I buy a gun, I won't buy there as I did last time. Every time I see a Confederate Battle Flag flying on someone's home, it say's a white racist lives here.
quote:Sez U_Talking_Me:
The Confederate Battle Flag and the Nazi flag are symbols of Hate that should not be displayed in public. They represent an opinion and that opinion is racial superiority. The shop owner may be a fine fellow, but he isn't community-minded. The next time I buy a gun, I won't buy there as I did last time. Every time I see a Confederate Battle Flag flying on someone's home, it say's a white racist lives here.
quote:Originally posted by U_Talking_Me:
The Confederate Battle Flag and the Nazi flag are symbols of Hate that should not be displayed in public. They represent an opinion and that opinion is racial superiority. The shop owner may be a fine fellow, but he isn't community-minded. The next time I buy a gun, I won't buy there as I did last time. Every time I see a Confederate Battle Flag flying on someone's home, it say's a white racist lives here.
quote:Originally posted by mad American:
I havn't seen it, but how is that worse than all the chicken footprints [peace sybols] displayed around town.
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Originally posted by mad American:
I havn't seen it, but how is that worse than all the chicken footprints [peace sybols] displayed around town.
Kindly advise the Forum of what you have against PEACE.
The PEACE symbol became prominent during the Vietnam War era, when thousands of primarily young people had sense enough to see the folly of that deranged military misadventure. Even Robert McNamara, the Secretary of Defense during that war, has written an anguished book about what a mistake it was. The "PEACEniks" were right; the Establishment was wrong. Looking back, anyone with the cognitive capabilities of a well-disciplined orangutan should be able to understand that powerful fact.
quote:Originally posted by mad American:
I have nothing against peace. But the folks that wore the chicken footprint were the same ones that welcomed our soldiers with protest and spit.
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Big Hugh Johnson:quote:Originally posted by U_Talking_Me:
The Confederate Battle Flag and the Nazi flag are symbols of Hate that should not be displayed in public. They represent an opinion and that opinion is racial superiority. The shop owner may be a fine fellow, but he isn't community-minded. The next time I buy a gun, I won't buy there as I did last time. Every time I see a Confederate Battle Flag flying on someone's home, it say's a white racist lives here.
I here ya cuz...It usually be some rasist white dude who is pissed cuz all the good lookin white ho's be into the black men now..
quote:Originally posted by beternU:
Mad and Tw0Pennies--
I hold nothing but respect for the unfortunate men who were drafted and sent to fight in the ill-conceived venture in Vietnam. They did their duty. Many of them did not want to go, but went anyway.
I also respect those who, in good conscience, refused to go, for they understood the futility of that war and they were unwilling to do the bidding of the old men who--as in all wars--send young men to suffer and die in wars, often unnecessarily.
I strongly differ with your broad generalization ,mad American, that "the folks that wore the chicken footprint were the same ones that welcomed our soldiers with protest and spit." Some "peaceniks" might have been among those who showed disrespect for returning soldiers, but not anywhere close to all of them, as you imply. In fact, the incidents of spitting on returning soldiers were very rare indeed. Jerry Lembcke undertook a detailed analysis of the myth of widespread spitting on returning GIs. His book is: The Spitting Image: Myth, Memory, and the Legacy of Vietnam.
From one review of Lembcke's book at Amazon.com:
"Lembke dissects dozens of stories of 'Nam vets being spat on by the anti-war movement at home (usually, legend has it, by a young woman in the San Francisco airport). But even more importantly he eloquently exposes and breaks down who the myth serves, and the importance of accurate recollection:
"...Ironically if the real [emphasis added] Vietnam War had been remembered, the Gulf War might not have been fought. We need to take away the power of political and cultural institutions to mythologize our experiences. We need to show how myths are used by political institutions to manipulate the decision making process. And we need to dispel the power of myths like that of the spat-upon Vietnam veteran by debunking them."
"...instances of attacks of U.S. officers by their own men are all but forgotten in the popular remembrances of the Vietnam War. Many Americans today "know" that GIs were mistreated upon their return from Vietnam. Their images of Vietnam veterans run from the hapless sad sack to the freaky serial killer; for them post-traumatic stress disorder is a virtual synonym for the Vietnam veteran. But they have never heard of "fragging," the practice of soldiers killing their own officers. The true story of the widespread rebellion of troops in Vietnam and the affinity of GIs and veterans for the politics of the left has been lost in the myth of the spat-upon Vietnam veteran."
Check these out also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spitting_Image
http://www.amazon.com/review/R...iewpnt#RYHWTDO0Y8BMP
quote:I also respect those who, in good conscience, refused to go,
quote:Originally posted by mad American:quote:I also respect those who, in good conscience, refused to go,
I don't! Never have never will! If it weren't for soldiers that fought and died neither you or I would have what we do. The peacniks in my opinion are traitors.