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Well, you can try....seems to me that if you do something to get your name on the front page of the paper, that gives people the right to speculate about your behavior. That is, of course, unless somebody's over-protective mother calls in and complains about you...then you get deleted. So....guess that "freedom of speech" thing is just for the chosen few. Oh well, that's America...and maybe, that's WHY it feels so unsafe here, or at least part of the reason.
"Be open minded, but not so open minded that your brains fall out"
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I thought I was following the rules. I didn't make any accusations against anyone by name, I just talked about the things that were bothering me....and the main issue was not about that person's son anyway, but I did focus on the incident that he was involved in....but aparantly she called around trying to find out who I am and making her own accusations....told people she was going to call the paper...and evidently did because my postings were deleted. So I will drop that subject for now....but not the concerns. "There is more than one way to skin a cat."
NotFeeling, that "freedom of speech" thing is a product of the 1st amendment to the Constitutions and it only applies to state action. Speech is protected from the state regulating it. Private persons, companies, newspapers, forums, and the like can remove whatever they like for whatever reason they chose.
I have observed that people who are close to difficult situations and news events are rarely well served to get on the forum and seek advice or state their causes. The forum, fun as it may be, is full of people, strangers if you will, who rarely have an real emotional state in the topics. People who do have a stake in pending cases - family members of either victims or those charges are wisely told to stay off here by the district attorney and by defense lawyers. Little good comes of airing dirty laundry on this clothesline.
Thank you bubba...and I understand all of that...but you see, my concerns were regarding much more than just the one incident. ie. Kids carrying around guns, why arrests are not made sooner, how some incidents tend to be covered up until they are forgotten by the public and nothing else is ever done, what we as average citizens can or should be doing to help the police do their job, or if anything more CAN be done.... things like that. Of course I am concerned about that incident because I knew the ones involved, but that just means it is closer to home now and not off in Atlanta or somewhere. I feel for both families involved but I am a firm believer that each of us should be held accountable for the choices we make...or else we come to believe that we can get away with anything. Of course I would like to see justice done, but I'm not on any vendetta or have any particular goal in mind. I simply want to know if anything can be done to prevent such an incident in the future. One way I had hoped to discuss, is to look at attitudes and opinions regarding the carrying of guns by young people without a permit or legitimate reason for having one. But like I said, I'll drop that subject for now.
Notfeelingsafe, since this is an ongoing investigation, you might not get the answers you are looking for, but you could call the Colbert County District Attorney's office and the investigative department of the Tuscumbia Police. The TD article stated there were two witnesses to the shootings. I would think this would definitely go to the grand jury.

As for the thread being deleted, there were some remarks made concerning events not in the TD article. Even if true (and I'm not saying they weren't), the TD probably didn't want to take the risk of a lawsuit.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by FirenzeVeritas:
"Notfeelingsafe, since this is an ongoing investigation, ..... I would think this would definitely go to the grand jury."

"As for the thread being deleted, there were some remarks made concerning events not in the TD"

As to the grand jury, you would think so...but what do you want to bet it doesn't?....we'll just have to wait and see.

As to the remarks you are talking about, if you will recall, I just answered a question about how I knew .... anyway....I know what's going on there and I know why it was deleted. I got phone calls too. Not from TD but from friends warning me that I was about to be "stalked".

None of my remarks were any worse or more explicit than others I have read on here. It was deleted because it upset the family of the one who did the shooting. I did, however, use the word "killer"....I did not use the word "murderer". Maybe I need to go back to English class because I thought that when you kill someone, that makes you the kill-er.
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As to the grand jury, you would think so...but what do you want to bet it doesn't?....we'll just have to wait and see.


You can bet it will go to the Grand Jury. DAs are elected officials and I have not seen one with the balls to dismiss a case, even if it should be, on their own inspite of their ethical obligation to do so. They use Grand Jury's to do that for them and then they don't have to answer to angry, officers or alleged victims.
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Originally posted by lynnblount:
I have crackers in my pants.


Oddly enough, I have peanut butter in my... never mind. Big Grin


Oh, you are sooooooooo naughty....I like it! Wink

Reminds me of Burt Reynolds in Striptease..."You mean you've never covered yourself in Vaseline? You don't know what you're missing. I've got it all over. It's down in my boots. I can feel it squishing between my toes." Ooooohhhoooo, too classic!
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Originally posted by NotFeelingSafeInAmerica:
As to the grand jury, you would think so...but what do you want to bet it doesn't?....we'll just have to wait and see.


You can bet it will go to the Grand Jury. DAs are elected officials and I have not seen one with the balls to dismiss a case, even if it should be, on their own inspite of their ethical obligation to do so. They use Grand Jury's to do that for them and then they don't have to answer to angry, officers or alleged victims.


I hope you are right, Bubba. But in this case, I expect the parents to pull every string they can....with lots of friends in high places...and have the charges dismissed on self-defense. TD reported authorities saying "It looks like they shot each other" .... (sounds like case dismissed to me) But I "hope" you are right.
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Originally posted by Top Down Beemer:
There's nothing fake about Burt's accent. He's a good ole southern boy - born in Waycross, Georgia, raised in Florida, played football at Florida State.

He's all southern male and then some! Still sexy after all these years. Cool


He's a Florida boy and has a soft southern accent. The accent he used in Striptease was an exaggeration. You probably need to pull the movie out again and watch it. Of course, when I watch it, it's "Burt was in that movie?" Big Grin
[QUOTE]Originally posted by NotFeelingSafeInAmerica:
None of my remarks were any worse or more explicit than others I have read on here.

You're right, but if you want to be chewed up & spit out.....you've come to the right place. Been there, done that. Eeker

I did, however, use the word "killer"....I did not use the word "murderer". Maybe I need to go back to English class because I thought that when you kill someone, that makes you the kill-er.

You kill....you're the kill-er....yep. Ain't no way to get around that. Wink
If NotFeelingSafe used no names in the deleted thread, then I don't understand by what grounds the TD forum nazis would delete the thread.

It's not like this forum is admissable in court or anything. We're just a bunch of people stating our opinions, speculating, etc. Makes you wonder who's REALLY behind the scenes, monitoring these forums, and what their agenda is.
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Originally posted by Top Down Beemer:
If NotFeelingSafe used no names in the deleted thread, then I don't understand by what grounds the TD forum nazis would delete the thread.

It's not like this forum is admissable in court or anything. We're just a bunch of people stating our opinions, speculating, etc. Makes you wonder who's REALLY behind the scenes, monitoring these forums, and what their agenda is.


well, Top Down Beemer, read my response to Bubba luck and you may understand why....the guy's momma is complaining about me to TD. I understand that she is upset by the whole situation and fighting for her son. But this time, her son has taken a life....and needs to face the consequences. If he is old enough to be carrying around a gun, (permit or not) he is old enough to fight his own battles....perhaps he needs to learn how to do that without a gun, and possibly without mama, before he takes another one.

P.S. This will probably get deleted too.
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Originally posted by Top Down Beemer:
If NotFeelingSafe used no names in the deleted thread, then I don't understand by what grounds the TD forum nazis would delete the thread.

It's not like this forum is admissable in court or anything. We're just a bunch of people stating our opinions, speculating, etc. Makes you wonder who's REALLY behind the scenes, monitoring these forums, and what their agenda is.


Even though he didn't use a name, the news story is fresh and the article on the shooting is easily accessible, listing the name of the friend who shot Robbins. Since he mentioned a crime supposedly committed by the shooter previously, this could have been a libelous statement.

As for the mother supporting her son, this young man was also shot twice and was in an ICU at Huntsville Hospital. I don't know what his condition is at the present time, but he may still be recovering and unable to defend himself from published assaults at this time.

While I find it totally unacceptable that both these men were carrying guns (we await your comments, SK), the TD has never printed any info as to who shot first. Conceivably this could have been a case of self-defense.
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Originally posted by Top Down Beemer:
If NotFeelingSafe used no names in the deleted thread, then I don't understand by what grounds the TD forum nazis would delete the thread.

It's not like this forum is admissable in court or anything. We're just a bunch of people stating our opinions, speculating, etc. Makes you wonder who's REALLY behind the scenes, monitoring these forums, and what their agenda is.


Even though he didn't use a name, the news story is fresh and the article on the shooting is easily accessible, listing the name of the friend who shot Robbins. Since he mentioned a crime supposedly committed by the shooter previously, this could have been a libelous statement.

As for the mother supporting her son, this young man was also shot twice and was in an ICU at Huntsville Hospital. I don't know what his condition is at the present time, but he may still be recovering and unable to defend himself from published assaults at this time.

While I find it totally unacceptable that both these men were carrying guns (we await your comments, SK), the TD has never printed any info as to who shot first. Conceivably this could have been a case of self-defense.


No, he is out of the hospital, and perfectly capable of defending himself. Don't ask me how I know because I am not going to tell you. There are a lot of things I "know" about this case that are not being told and that is exactly what concerns me. Why aren't they being told? But I said I was going to drop it for now, so why don't you?
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Originally posted by NotFeelingSafeInAmerica:
There are a lot of things I "know" about this case that are not being told and that is exactly what concerns me. Why aren't they being told?


Honey, it doesn't matter what is and isn't being told in the newspaper, on the TV and on this crazy forum. What matters is what is told in court proceedings. It doesn't matter what you "know" and no body is likely to ask you how you know it, unless of course you are called as a witness and you are fast losing credibility. Now, people on here have tried to be nice to you and tried to give you useful advice but you will not have it. You are not doing your cause any good at all and you are beginning to sound like a crazy lady. I promise you defense attorneys and prosecutors look at this thing to see what crazy theories are floating out there. If you are seriously interested in the outcome of this case, get off here and contact people who can help you. You are keeping this mess going on here.
Notfeelingsafe:I am sorry for your situation I know what you are going through.I will not mention any names or counties or the cases,but it doesn't matter what the truth is or what proof someone has.A judge has the say as to what can or can not be admitted in court.If you would like to talk more you can PM me.I will not say anymore on here because as you said before, some people get upset when the truth is told and then there you go DELETED
There's a gentleman on here whose son was killed. It took 3 months to arrest the drunk driver. I assume this friend isn't going anywhere. I'm sure they will do what's right at some point down the road.

I've lived in some large dangerous towns. This area is nice. I don't see why the young men were carrying guns to start with. I'm sure there's a lot more to come out of this.

I'm also sure the person who started this thread is a friend of the victim. That makes anything he/she says suspect.
Bubba thinks I'm a woman and calls me honey. Firenze thinks I am a man and calls me "he". Shuga thinks I am a friend of the victum. All I actually am is one who recognizes injustice when I see it. I know what I know because I hear through my own kids who are out there in the streets where all of this is going on, trying to live long enough to grow up. I'm one of the parents in this community who actually talks to their kids and they talk to me. I listen. I investigate. I try to advise. And most of the time, they listen to me. When they are scared, I am scared. I am glad Bubba has so much faith in the judicial system in this area. I haven't seen that. I haven't had personal experience with the court system but I have watched from the sidelines and I am disappointed with what I have seen. If the court system had actually protected us, what happened that night would never have happened. And THAT is the root of my interest here. I don't believe this case will ever make it to court but even if it does, the ones really involved will get off just like they have in the past.
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Originally posted by FirenzeVeritas:
If you're not male, I apologize. I also thought you were a friend since you were at the funeral home. Again, I would say wait--the authorities in this area are slow, but they are usually competent.


As you can see, I have changed my Avatar. I will not reveal whether I am male or female, even my real name could be either. I will join the masses and bury my head in the sand. After all, we are "good people", and everybody knows "good people" don't have kids who can get themselves into "trouble". They're not facing peer pressure from "those kind of people". They have more sense than to "experiment" with drugs or carry around "guns". "We're" not going to receive a call in the middle of the night telling us our son or daughter has been shot, or killed, or arrested. Not "us". Because we are "good people".
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Originally posted by lynnblount:
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What in the WORLD are you talking about?? TD has rules here, it is their forum. Deleted? You're not deleted, you're here now.....?

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I think I'm schizophrenic. And so am I. And the voices. Do you think I'm pretty??? I have crackers in my pants.
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Thank you so much for your thoughtful input.


It was about equally coherent to youirs, actually. I think that was lynn's point, subtle though it may have been.

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