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Originally posted by NotFeelingSafeInAmerica:

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Originally posted by FirenzeVeritas:
If you're not male, I apologize. I also thought you were a friend since you were at the funeral home. Again, I would say wait--the authorities in this area are slow, but they are usually competent.

As you can see, I have changed my Avatar. I will not reveal whether I am male or female, even my real name could be either. I will join the masses and bury my head in the sand. After all, we are "good people", and everybody knows "good people" don't have kids who can get themselves into "trouble". They're not facing peer pressure from "those kind of people". They have more sense than to "experiment" with drugs or carry around "guns". "We're" not going to receive a call in the middle of the night telling us our son or daughter has been shot, or killed, or arrested. Not "us". Because we are "good people".

People can raise their children the "right" way, and still the child when old enough makes their own decisions, by this time they know right from wrong, at this point it is the childs own responsibility, SO THE WHOLE "BLAMING THE PARENTS KINDA THING IS GETTING OLD"

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Originally posted by NotFeelingSafeInAmerica:

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Originally posted by lynnblount:

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What in the WORLD are you talking about?? TD has rules here, it is their forum. Deleted? You're not deleted, you're here now.....?

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I think I'm schizophrenic. And so am I. And the voices. Do you think I'm pretty??? I have crackers in my pants.
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Thank you so much for your thoughtful input.

It was about equally coherent to youirs, actually. I think that was lynn's point, subtle though it may have been.

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Just call me Polly!

I apologize if I was talking "over your head", Polly,,, it was not intentional.

Hee hee hee!

Yeah, you were so talking over my head.

But I am fascinated by the sense of mystery, the... subtle hint of the secret agent you surely must be. Not revealing your gender, or anything about your clandestine self... it's causing me to lose sleep as I ponder the possibilities of whom you might be, and what motives you might have. Are they nefarious? Are they honorable? Have you run out of "quotation marks" yet?

Oh, the huge manatee!

Maybe another version of Jetboy? No, I think this person actually means well.

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Originally posted by TamaraKnight:
Maybe another version of Jetboy? No, I think this person actually means well.

Thank you Tamara.... but it doesn't matter anymore ... my head is in the sand ... I no longer hear nor see the lack of concern for the crimes being commited in our community....the drug trafficing....the killings....how this affects our kids and young people .... how easy it is for them to get caught up in things that can harm them or take their life ... or how it just keeps getting worse because they keep getting away with it. Evidently, I was either the only one who could see it or else I was the only one who cared. So I will just keep my head in the sand until it hits me personally, until I lose one of mine... then I will come out with guns blazing .... that seems to be all anyone understands these days.

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Originally posted by NotFeelingSafeInAmerica:
If the court system had actually protected us, what happened that night would never have happened.

The courts can't police normal daily stupidity on the part of those involved in this situation. I would like to know how you think the courts woul have changed what happened that night?

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Originally posted by NotFeelingSafeInAmerica:

As you can see, I have changed my Avatar.

And your avatar suits you very well -- great likeness of yourself -- and in case he decides to change the avatar -- it is of a donkey's behind....

Put your glasses on, Dixie, ... the avatar is an Ostrich.... and the courts had a chance to do something about the parties involved in the past...but failed to do so.... How do I know? I have already told you. I listen, I investigate what I am told. I talk to the teens and young people in this area and find out what they are up against. I read the paper. I watch the local news channels. Do you?

Sorry about the avatar -- looked like a donkey butt to me...but hey...

BTW, yes, I do read the local news, but I don't expect the courts to handle what should be common sense behavior on the parts of citizens to not use guns as a means of settling issues. Have you looked at our overcrowding jails, and overrun dockets in the courts? THey are handling all that they can. At some point, we have to hold our citizens and if the case, their parents accountable for their actions and and expect them to obey the law.

You act like they need to be locked up and the key thrown away -- you can't do that with every person that comes into the court system just because you think that is what should be done. It could have been your child...would you then be singing a different tune? And don't give me the crap about "my child listens to me blablabla" it wasn't that long ago that I was a teenager and yes I talked to my parents, but sometimes kids and adults do stupid things and all the talking and buddy buddy relationship in the world won't change that fact. So get your glasses on my friend...

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At some point, we have to hold our citizens and if the case, their parents accountable for their actions and and expect them to obey the law.

You have made a point I have been advocating all along...my complaint has been about what average citizens can do about all these problems and especially about parents who continue to rescue their offspsring instead of teaching them to obey the law. That is one thing we can do. Thank you.

I have my glasses on and am sitting real close to my screen. No way is that avatar is anything but an elephant!

NFS, I honestly have no idea what you are trying to tell us. 'I'm not a smart mayun', (typed in my best Forrest Gump voice)

Hey Dixie!! Good to see ya!!

Well, Maggie, that is probably because the original posting of my concerns was deleted. So without repeating the original incident that peaked my concerns ... and got deleted when the mother of one of the participants in that news story complained to TD ... I will try to explain my concerns briefly. Maybe then you can understand. I am concerned about all the crime our kids and young people are exposed to on a daily basis... the drug trafficing, the shootings, the murders, ... right here in our area. How it continues to get worse because so many are getting away with it. How when one of our own (by that I refer to local kids and not immigrants or "outsiders") becomes involved, parents tend to go to any length to rescue them from their behaviors instead of holding them accountable for their actions and thus teaching them to respect the laws. Those are my concerns and I consider them legitimate ones. I'm sorry if you cannot understand that.

NFS, then get out and do something. Your ranting on here is not doing a thing but make you look crazy. The courts are crowded beyond belief. Everybody wants something done but they don't want to pay for it. We have limited resources and limited assets. Get involved - in your church, the schools, become a foster parent - take in abused and neglected children - help drug addicts - raise money for non-profit agencies but for God's sake stop b.i.t.c.h.i.n.g and do something positive. The newspaper will not solve things nor will this nutty forum.
I'm with Maggie, I don't know what message you are trying to get across but it has gone on for days and days. You clearly have time and energy to devote to something - I pray you find your calling.

Well, Bubba, you don't have to read it and you don't have to let it bother you. What difference does it make to you if it makes me appear crazy? As a matter of fact, I have done many of the things you suggest, and more...but what does that have to do with the kids who are selling drugs on the street to support their own habit...or with the kid who was killed because of one carrying an illegal firearm? By the way, any firearm that is unregistered and carried without a permit is illegal. If you don't like what I am saying....don't read it. So far as I know, it is still a free country.

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Originally posted by NotFeelingSafeInAmerica:
Well, Maggie, that is probably because the original posting of my concerns was deleted. So without repeating the original incident that peaked my concerns ... and got deleted when the mother of one of the participants in that news story complained to TD ... I will try to explain my concerns briefly. Maybe then you can understand. I am concerned about all the crime our kids and young people are exposed to on a daily basis... the drug trafficing, the shootings, the murders, ... right here in our area. How it continues to get worse because so many are getting away with it. How when one of our own (by that I refer to local kids and not immigrants or "outsiders") becomes involved, parents tend to go to any length to rescue them from their behaviors instead of holding them accountable for their actions and thus teaching them to respect the laws. Those are my concerns and I consider them legitimate ones. I'm sorry if you cannot understand that.

OK...I think I got it. I think the question is, "Why do parents of our local kids try to protect them from the consequences of their behavior?"
For me, the moment my Son was born, I tried to protect him from any negative consequences. I think that is what I signed up to do, when I became a Mother.
I have known Mothers to take that responsibility to the extremes. I, however, have not done that so far. When my Son is old enough to be a man, I will let Him go. I will allow Him to accept the consequences of His behavior. I am sure of it. But, for now, I think I will protect Him. After all, He is only 24 years old.

You got it...finally. Now at 24, he has learned that he can do anythingand get away with it. Just so long as he can convince Mommy that he didn't do anything all that bad and it is always everybody else who is really in the wrong...no matter how many times such things happen. You got it exactly right.

Well, He don't really call me 'Mommy' anymore. It sure looks to me like you and your hostility have merged into one. You are welcome to it, but you are POWERLESS over how other people raise their kids! You don't have to like anything about anything! Ranting about things that are totally out of your control is a waste of your good time. Do you have kids? Tell us about them....

Yes, Maggie, I have stated before that I have teenagers. Actually I have 4 of my own and 6 that I have raised. I still have 3 teens at home and the others are out on their own. My comments were never about telling other parents how to raise their kids. My concerns have been clearly stated. DixieChick is the one who suggested more effective parenting might help the problems I am concerned about....

"At some point, we have to hold our citizens and if the case, their parents accountable for their actions and and expect them to obey the law"


....and I agreed.

NSF -- you have changed your stance on things. In the post I responded too and quoted you blamed the court system for this particular incident happening and said that if they had done their job it wouldn't have happened.

Now you are saying it is the parent's responsibilities and the individuals involved. I'm confused...where do you stand on this issue? Do you want to blame someone else or do you want us to blame you when your kids do something wrong? I'm just pointing out that you changed your "point" in less than 5 or 6 posts.

And Bubba is correct that the court systems are overrun because of people whining and not doing anything to change their communities. May I suggest that you change your approach and you might get more response and help from the people and parents in your community to help make it a safer place. "A little less talk and a lot more action" is what I'm singing in my head right now.

I can't do much about the kids that are not mine, but what my neighbors and I do is look out for each other and let each other know what is going on. I am very guarded in my community because there are a lot of renters around, but the "oldies" that have been there for as long as I have -- we speak and talk and keep each other in the know with what goes on. It may not keep things from happening but it can keep things from getting worse.

Excellent post, Dixie!

notfeelingsafe,
what are you so bitter about?
Just about every post in different threads you are bitter and defensive. Whats up with that?
lighten up a little, all this stressing out can't be good for you

Thanks for asking the question 2each -- I thought the same thing...

perhaps because I am responding to posts that are, shall we say, less than understanding or supportive? Are you reading those?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by DixieChik:
NSF -- you have changed your stance on things. In the post I responded too and quoted you blamed the court system for this particular incident happening and said that if they had done their job it wouldn't have happened.

Now you are saying it is the parent's responsibilities and the individuals involved. I'm confused...

You're talking about two different things Dixie. The 2 (actually there were 3 but only 2 got shot) people involved in that incident have been through the system more than once. I can't say more but I know that with proper investigation, they could have obtained enough information to put them away for a good long time and possibly gotten them some help in the process.

Parental responsibilities are a response to your post. You are the one who brought it up.

"At some point, we have to hold our citizens and if the case, their parents accountable for their actions and and expect them to obey the law. "

Remember?

Yes NSF, I remember what I posted. You say the court could have put these people away for a long time -- did you not read the posts where the court system is over run at the moment and can't control what stupid people do?

The parental responsibility I said "if the case" -- if they are a minor. Had the mother been held accountable for allowing her son when he was underage instead -- might would have stopped this, but ....

The recidivism rate for people that are incarcerated is high in most cases. Even if the person does the time for their crime -- they will again commit another crime. Even if the courts had "punished" these people involved -- they will most likely do it again. Therefore, the people have to be held resonsible for their actions.

My point is that you can't expect the court to be the parent or even be the adult. You have to expect the person to handle their business...You are blaming the wrong people at this point from what I can tell. YOu seem mad at the court system for letting them go...you can only control your own life. You can't control your kids lives eithers -- you can only be a parent and then it is up to the kid to do their part. So therefore, you should be directing your anger at the people that committed the crime -- not the courts/legal system...

BTW, just because someone committed a crime before doesn't mean the judge can just throw the book at them...he can only judge them on the action they are charged with at the time. So "coming up with enough to put them away" is your way of viewing things, but not the way the court looks at them. You can't punish someone for something they have already been tried and convicted and served their time for -- that would be unfair and is called double jeopardy.It is the reason that they are coming up with 3 strikes laws and things of that nature to help keep the repeat offenders away from the community...

NFS -- I appreciate the PM, but it doesn't change my opinion of your stance on these issues. I see the issue that you have presented of the parental involvement in this man's life and we agree that the parents and the man should have been held accountable in the past and now.

As to your remark of "I respect you...in spite of the comments you have made to me on the forums..." That was a backhanded compliment to which I'll say thank you, but I haven't been rude to you nor mean -- I have stated my opinion and questioned your stance on the isse. I have pointed out your comments that contradicted each other. I'm sorry if that offends you, but if that is the case maybe you are too easily offended.

No, I am not the person you are afraid of and I have no intentions of ratting anyone out, but if that is your fear then maybe you should stop posting on this topic on this forum. BTW, the TD doesn't give out private information about the posters on this forum, so if that mother figures out who you are -- you are already in her sites and there is nothing I can say or do to change that fact. If you are so afraid of her then why do you continue to post on the subject? Do you not think that all of this will "get back to her" anyway?

I'm just giving you advice man -- you do seem bitter and upset and all of those things that we have pointed out. You aren't getting the "you are 100% correct" from any of us because you are not looking at it with discerning eyes -- you have a tainted view of the situation and I completely understand that fact. I see that what happened was wrong. I see that the past situations may or may not have been handled as strictly as some would like. But I also see that this may have been a situation of self-defense -- regardless of what was really going down that night and unless you were a first-hand witness to the situation -- you don't know what really happened. Just because someone is a bad person and has made mistakes doesn't mean they were in the wrong in this situation -- they may have been very much in the right.

We will have to wait and see what the justice system does in this case before we can rush to judgement on it.

Dixie, your posts have been very insightful. I am afraid there is nothing that can be said to get NFS to look in the mirror and get over the bitter, negative tirade.

No and he just PMd me again and told me how juvenile I was to reply on the thread and not the PM. He never asked why -- I guess it doesn't matter that I rarely do PMs unless I know the person I'm talking too. Too many conversations go wrong when PMs get involved. Besides -- except for the very detailed information that he gave me which I will not repeat publicly or privately because at this point it is still hearsay and rumor to me because I wasn't there -- I never said anything in my posts to warrant his angry response. I hope he gets over his anger and bitterness before it filters to his kids.

Thanks bubba!