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This story is a great metaphor for our tax code and what happens when tax breaks take effect. 9 of the men are obviously friends of rocky and beter.

"Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100.

If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

So, that's what they decided to do.

The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. 'Because you are all such good customers,' he said, 'I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20. Drinks for the ten of you now cost just $80.'

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men, the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share?'

They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from every body's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer!

So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

And so:

The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.

'I only got a dollar out of the $20,'declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man, 'but he got $10!'

'Yeah, that's right,' exclaimed the fifth man. 'I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than I!'

'That's true!!' shouted the seventh man. 'Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!'


'Wait a minute,' yelled the first four men in unison. 'We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!' The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him.
When it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

For those who understand, no explanation is needed.

For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible."
"Remember, it's not a lie if YOU believe it" George Costanza
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Social Security taxes are normally matched, dollar for dollar, by employers. However, for matching purposes, employers will still have to pay the full 6.2% tax on employee gross pay. Had the matching amount also been reduced, it could have led to increases in hiring, but the White House and U.S. Congress decided it was too much tax cutting for an already fragile Social Security budget.



Critics of this tax reduction rightfully worry it will move the Social Security system toward insolvency. The system has been headed in this direction for some time, but a tax reduction will only accelerate the process. This two percentage point reduction will effectively cut Social Security tax revenues by approximately 16%.


http://www.examiner.com/financ...-taxes-decrease-2011
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
Social Security taxes are normally matched, dollar for dollar, by employers. However, for matching purposes, employers will still have to pay the full 6.2% tax on employee gross pay. Had the matching amount also been reduced, it could have led to increases in hiring, but the White House and U.S. Congress decided it was too much tax cutting for an already fragile Social Security budget.



Critics of this tax reduction rightfully worry it will move the Social Security system toward insolvency. The system has been headed in this direction for some time, but a tax reduction will only accelerate the process. This two percentage point reduction will effectively cut Social Security tax revenues by approximately 16%.


http://www.examiner.com/financ...-taxes-decrease-2011


OH this is just TOO **** easy. So this is a post that is from one who is affiliated(could use afflicted) with the rabid right wing rethugliteacons(beneath any description because of the evil that is emboddied by this poster and unworthy of even mocking titles)
SO NOW "IT" IS WORRIED ABOUT TAX CUTS???????????? Roll Eyes
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Originally posted by rocky:
Well, have any of you received a paycheck this year??????????????? Notice an increase in your take home pay???? Where did that increase come from?????????? Could it possibly be due to a decrease in payroll taxes which was established under the 111th congress????????? Let the spin cycle begin!!! Roll Eyes



Couldnt comment on the topic at hand? Talk about a spin, right off the subject.

As for your comment about the payroll tax reduction, even a blind squirrel can find a nut every now and then....

Captain
Well, it is you rethugliteacons who are slinging the shi*, and proving yourselves for the hypocrites that you are. Do you agree with these two posters and oppose the new payroll tax deductions? If so, another TEABAGGER bites the dust! Mad American, you may turn in your three corner hat at the door and thank you for playing the game! Big Grin
Careful, there, rocky, you may spin your poor little self dizzy.

I didnt see anyone opposing the payroll tax reduction. Jennifer implied that they should have cut the employer portion as well, to stimulate hiring. I said 'even a blind squirrel can find a nut,' in other words, even idiots get something right every now and again.

Captain
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Originally posted by Capt James T:
Careful, there, rocky, you may spin your poor little self dizzy.

I didnt see anyone opposing the payroll tax reduction. Jennifer implied that they should have cut the employer portion as well, to stimulate hiring. I said 'even a blind squirrel can find a nut,' in other words, even idiots get something right every now and again.

Captain


MAN a classic rethugliteacon FOXOPHILE tactic when confronted with their own hypocrisy: BACKTRACKING! Rush Limbaugh has taught you well Captain! Wink
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Originally posted by Capt James T:
I said 'even a blind squirrel can find a nut,' in other words, even idiots get something right every now and again.

Captain


SOOOOOOOO, although you are saying the 111th congress were "idiots" you are also stating that the 111th congress got something RIGHT????????????????? Big Grin I am sorry, Captain, according to the rules of the "We hate everything that came out of the 111th congress TEABAGGER Convention" game, you may not retreive your three corner hat, but once again: Thank you for playing the game! Wink
This is a good post

I know I have never met one poor person in my life that ever started a business or created jobs. Reason is they can't no money to do so.

The rich create jobs, They build new businesses, They expand, They do what really anyone is able to do if people manage money and business properly.

If the United States ever started beating on the rich and over taxing them, Forcing unfair regulations on them in order to create more revenue. They liable to move away or slow down on job creation or be forced to lay off in order to cover the expense of running a successful business.

I am sure glad we never allowed this sort of thing in America. Wait....
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Originally posted by rocky:

SOOOOOOOO, although you are saying the 111th congress were "idiots" you are also stating that the 111th congress got something RIGHT????????????????? Big Grin


Yes, Rocky, thus the saying about the 'blind squirrel.' I apologize that it was too much for you to comprehend at first.

Just for the record, I dont watch much Fox and I think Rush is a little extreme from time to time....

But keep the spinning and crap slinging going, its amusing Big Grin

Captain
Rocky is one blind liberal squirrel that will never "find a nut". What they're going to find is businesses that are sick and tired of having to fight the government to stay in business, and are going to start cutting costs every way they can. One of those ways will be making do with the employees they have with no new hires. A lot of businesses that would replace retiring employees have stopped doing that. So get excited over the tax cut. Until government gives businesses more breaks things will never get better. People like rocky have no idea what is involved in running a business.
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
Rocky is one blind liberal squirrel that will never "find a nut". What they're going to find is businesses that are sick and tired of having to fight the government to stay in business, and are going to start cutting costs every way they can. One of those ways will be making do with the employees they have with no new hires. A lot of businesses that would replace retiring employees have stopped doing that. So get excited over the tax cut. Until government gives businesses more breaks things will never get better. People like rocky have no idea what is involved in running a business.


Spoken like a true Amway dealer who cheats her clients. The gravy bowl from hell is an embarrassment to Amway dealers everywhere. Research has been done on you, you worthless PARASITE!
I have noticed what seems to be a steady decline in Rocky since the 112th was elected. He used to post well thought out posts about the evils of us republicans. They were mostly lies and half truths, but they were well thought out.

Lately, he seems to be slipping off the deep end and rambling on and on off topic in his posts. I think the election got to him.....

Kindof like the Cherokee council, sad but amusing to watch......
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Originally posted by Capt James T:
I have noticed what seems to be a steady decline in Rocky since the 112th was elected. He used to post well thought out posts about the evils of us republicans. They were mostly lies and half truths, but they were well thought out.

Lately, he seems to be slipping off the deep end and rambling on and on off topic in his posts. I think the election got to him.....

Kindof like the Cherokee council, sad but amusing to watch......


Sorry Captain, bashing me will not get your standing back with the Ben Franklin costume wearing crowd, and no you can't have your three corner hat back! Big Grin But we sincerely thank you for playing the game! Wink
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I have noticed what seems to be a steady decline in Rocky since the 112th was elected. He used to post well thought out posts about the evils of us republicans. They were mostly lies and half truths, but they were well thought out.

Lately, he seems to be slipping off the deep end and rambling on and on off topic in his posts. I think the election got to him.....

He's never been wound tight to begin with. You can tell he's young and most likely still lives with him mom and dad. Once he has to hit the real world and make it on his own he'll be singing a different tune.
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
He's never been wound tight to begin with. You can tell he's young and most likely still lives with him mom and dad. Once he has to hit the real world and make it on his own he'll be singing a different tune.


I put him on ignore, Never did that before but every time I came across one of his posts my google translator would start crashing.
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
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I have noticed what seems to be a steady decline in Rocky since the 112th was elected. He used to post well thought out posts about the evils of us republicans. They were mostly lies and half truths, but they were well thought out.

Lately, he seems to be slipping off the deep end and rambling on and on off topic in his posts. I think the election got to him.....

He's never been wound tight to begin with. You can tell he's young and most likely still lives with him mom and dad. Once he has to hit the real world and make it on his own he'll be singing a different tune.


Disclaimer: I am not responding to this right wing, athiest, Amway dealer with the intelligence of a gravy bowl. I am simply making an observation.


Why is it that some of the posters on this forum feel the need to make references as to whether I live with my parents? I have publicly stated that I am a college student, but does this mean I cannot support myself? Perhaps I am getting a PHD? (I wish) But this goes back to the instant stereotyping that seems to be the theme of the week amongst the rethugliteacons that post on this forum. Just an observation. Roll Eyes
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
He's never been wound tight to begin with. You can tell he's young and most likely still lives with him mom and dad. Once he has to hit the real world and make it on his own he'll be singing a different tune.


I put him on ignore, Never did that before but every time I came across one of his posts my google translator would start crashing.
He's on ignore but I see his comments when he starts one of his hysterical threads or when someone attaches his posts to their reply. He's just uninformed and either young or very mentally stunted. He truly doesn't have a clue.
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Originally posted by Vorkun:
This is a good post

I know I have never met one poor person in my life that ever started a business or created jobs. Reason is they can't no money to do so.

The rich create jobs, They build new businesses, They expand, They do what really anyone is able to do if people manage money and business properly.

If the United States ever started beating on the rich and over taxing them, Forcing unfair regulations on them in order to create more revenue. They liable to move away or slow down on job creation or be forced to lay off in order to cover the expense of running a successful business.

I am sure glad we never allowed this sort of thing in America. Wait....


You need to get out more. I know quite a few poor people who started a business, and wound up making a lot of money and hiring a lot of people.
In fact that has been going on since the beginning of our country, Ben Franklin walked into Philadelphia with only the clothes on his back and pocket change, but became one of the wealthiest men of his time, and of course a founding father of our nation.
Many, many many poor people started out with almost nothing and worked their way up to build large businesses and hire lots of people . Although he was not born to paupers, one such who managed to do quite well from humble beginnings is Bill Gates.

The thing you are missing in this tinkle down voodoo economic theory is where does the money come from to buy the widgets that the rich produce ? Where ?
The reverse economic model is actually one which works: money goes to lower to middle class people (God loves them because there are so many more than there is of rich people).
The multitudes get their hard earned gain, and spend it. Virtually all of it, buying the widgets.
The super rich already own almost everything, so they take their easy earned gain and invest it in the bank, probably overseas so they can avoid taxes. To embrace the Reagan tinkle-down theory is the "if you build it they will come" theory- ok for a baseball diamond in the middle of a corn field in Iowa, not too bright for a business. NO, a businessman, rich or poor, will build his widgets to satisfy a demand, not just to hire people.

So, what must be considered is what is best for our economy, tax breaks for the not-so-rich, or tax breaks for the super rich.
Our economy works best, as does our nation, when money is moving from hand to hand, purchasing goods and services, not hold up in a Swiss bank.

Now, on the other hand, most people of the republican faith don't really give a damm about anybody but themselves (according to a recent British study on the brain differences between conservatives and liberals), but in the case your brain is not quite that squirlled up, which tax breaks are more meaningful to an individual per the agreement on Bush tax cuts last year- the bottom rate jumping from 10% to 15% or the top rate going from 35% to 38% ? Which do you think will make more difference in someones life ?
Who needs the tax break more, the person making 20 or 30 Million dollars in bonuses this year, or the poor working person making a paltry $50,000 this year?
Questions you should consider.
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They do what really anyone is able to do if people manage money and business properly.


You should really learn to read better, I bet you didn't read all I posted did you seeweed?
I am sure all you did was see the first line or first word and went off half loaded.
You will end up shooting your foot that way if not careful.
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Now, on the other hand, most people of the republican faith don't really give a damm about anybody but themselves (according to a recent British study on the brain differences between conservatives and liberals),

Oh pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Are you for real??? Then let the brits explain why Republicans give more to charities and the democrats have the most money. Sheesh. And just so you know, the Kennedy's are FILTHY rich. How? Well old bootleg Joe Kennedy. Check him out sometime.
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Arthur Brooks, the author of a book on donors to charity, “Who Really Cares,” cites data that households headed by conservatives give 30 percent more to charity than households headed by liberals. A study by Google found an even greater disproportion: average annual contributions reported by conservatives were almost double those of liberals.
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
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Now, on the other hand, most people of the republican faith don't really give a damm about anybody but themselves (according to a recent British study on the brain differences between conservatives and liberals),

Oh pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Are you for real??? Then let the brits explain why Republicans give more to charities and the democrats have the most money. Sheesh. And just so you know, the Kennedy's are FILTHY rich. How? Well old bootleg Joe Kennedy. Check him out sometime.


Given the post from this athiest gravy bowl from Hell on the religious forum this week, and the other postings from these so called benevolent republicans on a variety of topics regarding the less fortunate this week, it just shows how really warped (I wish I could think of a better descriptive phrase to describe the depravity of this poster) that anyone who tries to understand the psyche of this low life and all republicans in general are dealing with.
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Originally posted by rocky:
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
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Now, on the other hand, most people of the republican faith don't really give a damm about anybody but themselves (according to a recent British study on the brain differences between conservatives and liberals),

Oh pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Are you for real??? Then let the brits explain why Republicans give more to charities and the democrats have the most money. Sheesh. And just so you know, the Kennedy's are FILTHY rich. How? Well old bootleg Joe Kennedy. Check him out sometime.


Given the post from this athiest gravy bowl from Hell on the religious forum this week, and the other postings from these so called benevolent republicans on a variety of topics regarding the less fortunate this week, it just shows how really warped (I wish I could think of a better descriptive phrase to describe the depravity of this poster) that anyone who tries to understand the psyche of this low life and all republicans in general are dealing with.


although here is one of many articles on the subject :
http://american-conservativeva...-brain-disorder.html
I suggest you Google "British study on brains of conservatives and liberals".
Lots of articles on it. If you think one is from some liberal rag, then just read a different one.
On the other hand, these studies tell me that since the strongly conservatives have a brain distorter, and not necessarily a learned distorter, then us progressives and liberals are just wasting our time on this forum. It may be fun, but it is a waste of time. Cool
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Originally posted by seeweed:
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Originally posted by rocky:
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
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Now, on the other hand, most people of the republican faith don't really give a damm about anybody but themselves (according to a recent British study on the brain differences between conservatives and liberals),

Oh pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Are you for real??? Then let the brits explain why Republicans give more to charities and the democrats have the most money. Sheesh. And just so you know, the Kennedy's are FILTHY rich. How? Well old bootleg Joe Kennedy. Check him out sometime.


Given the post from this athiest gravy bowl from Hell on the religious forum this week, and the other postings from these so called benevolent republicans on a variety of topics regarding the less fortunate this week, it just shows how really warped (I wish I could think of a better descriptive phrase to describe the depravity of this poster) that anyone who tries to understand the psyche of this low life and all republicans in general are dealing with.


although here is one of many articles on the subject :
http://american-conservativeva...-brain-disorder.html
I suggest you Google "British study on brains of conservatives and liberals".
Lots of articles on it. If you think one is from some liberal rag, then just read a different one.
On the other hand, these studies tell me that since the strongly conservatives have a brain distorter, and not necessarily a learned distorter, then us progressives and liberals are just wasting our time on this forum. It may be fun, but it is a waste of time. Cool


You can google and find any off the wall thing, such as this study. If democrats were truly smarter we wouldn't be in the shape we're in, and you wouldn't be posting some half-a**ed screwy brit "study". Sheesh! And rockhead, I have no idea what you're ranting about.
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
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Originally posted by seeweed:
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Originally posted by rocky:
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
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Now, on the other hand, most people of the republican faith don't really give a damm about anybody but themselves (according to a recent British study on the brain differences between conservatives and liberals),

Oh pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Are you for real??? Then let the brits explain why Republicans give more to charities and the democrats have the most money. Sheesh. And just so you know, the Kennedy's are FILTHY rich. How? Well old bootleg Joe Kennedy. Check him out sometime.


Given the post from this athiest gravy bowl from Hell on the religious forum this week, and the other postings from these so called benevolent republicans on a variety of topics regarding the less fortunate this week, it just shows how really warped (I wish I could think of a better descriptive phrase to describe the depravity of this poster) that anyone who tries to understand the psyche of this low life and all republicans in general are dealing with.


although here is one of many articles on the subject :
http://american-conservativeva...-brain-disorder.html
I suggest you Google "British study on brains of conservatives and liberals".
Lots of articles on it. If you think one is from some liberal rag, then just read a different one.
On the other hand, these studies tell me that since the strongly conservatives have a brain distorter, and not necessarily a learned distorter, then us progressives and liberals are just wasting our time on this forum. It may be fun, but it is a waste of time. Cool


You can google and find any off the wall thing, such as this study. If democrats were truly smarter we wouldn't be in the shape we're in, and you wouldn't be posting some half-a**ed screwy brit "study". Sheesh! And rockhead, I have no idea what you're ranting about.

I may point out that before Bush was allowed by his Republican majority congress to run amock , we WERE in a lot better shape. Democrats didnt get us here. The hall of shame should go to Phil Graham, Dick Armey, and W Bush (and his puppets)
(truthfully, I don't blame Bush directly - my personal opinion is that the real power during the first 6 years of his admin was Dick Cheney, and Bush was the puppet. I believe he finally realized his mistake about the last two years of his admin, but by then it was too late to help the country)
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I may point out that before Bush was allowed by his Republican majority congress to run amock , we WERE in a lot better shape. Democrats didnt get us here. The hall of shame should go to Phil Graham, Dick Armey, and W Bush (and his puppets)
(truthfully, I don't blame Bush directly - my personal opinion is that the real power during the first 6 years of his admin was Dick Cheney, and Bush was the puppet. I believe he finally realized his mistake about the last two years of his admin, but by then it was too late to help the country)

Bolonga.
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
Seeweed, did 9/11 have any financial affect on the economy? Yes or no?

Well of course it did. The STATED target of the 9/11 attacks was the Economy of the United States. The twin towers was just to get Bush's attention.
Al Queda has been more successful in destroying our economy than Bush was in "Ben Laden- Dead or Alive". The country of course was able to absorb the actual attack as horrible as it was, but Bush decided to go to war and borrow the money for it, then he decided to invade Iraq, a country that had absolutely nothing to do with the attack and put that war on the credit card as well. He also decided to give huge tax breaks to everybody with the super rich getting the real enormous benefit, and put that on the credit card with China as well.
So, in affect, Bush became a pawn of Ben Laden and totally screwed up our economy and charged it all to our kids.

We will never know for sure, but I suspect that if Ben Laden had just waited a little while, Bush would have destroyed our economy on his own and done virtually everything he did,except wage war in Afghanistan - no oil there, the attack just made it a lot easier for him to do it and get it by the people.

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