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Opponents of the fiscally conservative tea party movement say they plan to infiltrate and dismantle the political group by trying to make its members appear to be racist, homophobic and moronic.

Jason Levin, creator of www.crashtheteaparty.org, said Monday the group has 65 leaders in major cities across the country who are trying to recruit members to infiltrate tea party events for April 15 -- federal tax filing day, when tea party groups across America are planning to gather and protest high taxes.

"Every time we have someone on camera saying that Barack Obama isn't an American citizen, we want someone sitting next to him saying, 'That's right, he's an alien from outer space!"' Levin said.

Tea party members said the backlash comes from ignorance.

"They can't actually debate our message and that's their problem," said Bob MacGuffie, a Connecticut organizer for Right Principles, a tea party group that also has members in New York and New Jersey.



http://www.foxnews.com/politic...ate-party-dismantle/

It's actually a pretty funy site. There are more conservatives posting there than liberals.

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Tea parties are not worth the time and effort to "infiltrate." Already the "leaders" are fighting over who is the real leader and they are becoming as annoying as "Who Let the Dogs Out" blaring over and over again. The inherent contradictions contained within an ad hoc rambling mock coalition that has nothing to do with Paul's first iteration is a joke, a tool of Dick Armey through Dick Scaife.

Once the birthers and politicians arrived, the movement was a satire. Now it is rapidly degenerating into a farce.

Yes, the middle and working class probably taxed enough already, it is Scaife and the Kochs and their ilk who are not. One cannot fight two wars and not raise taxes on some entity, that is common sense if one wishes to do small things like promote the general welfare as well.
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Originally posted by ferrellj:
Keep thinking that way pig, let me know in November how it worked out for you.


OK Ferrellj, tell me how you think it will play out. Does the Tea Party have ANY candidates registered for the Fall elections yet? Does the Tea Party have a platform yet? No, because they aren't an official party. Tea Party people agree that we are overtaxed and the government is overspending. Beyond that, they get pretty fractured on their beliefs from city to city and state to state. I have checked them out in-depth because I was hoping for a real grassroots movement to take place. Sure, there are a few registered Dems participating, but mostly it is disillusioned Repubs.

I still stand by my assertion that the best course of action this Fall is to vote against any incumbent. Not because a better candidate will get elected, but because the Establishment will have a clear message from their constituency. And people need to stop all this nonsense about a revolution brewing. Our founding fathers create our government so that a revolution can occur through elections. It is our own fault if we don't utilize the tools put in front of us.
No, the TEA party has no candidates because it isn't a political party at all. What is your definition of a real grassroots movement? The TEA party is disillusioned Americans. They are dems, repubs, and independants.

To vote against all incumbents is being lazy. I want my vote to count toward getting a better candidate elected, incumbent or not. Our founding fathers had in mind a revolution in caes the power of the vote was taken away. By that I mean the government power brokers deciding who we vote for. We are close to that. The goal of the TEA party is to force the republican party back to the conservative principals held by the majority of the American people.
Hey let's have "fake tea parties" kinda like the "fake prom" and all the idiots will show up at the wrong place.

The true conservatives need to react to these "plants" by totally making sure full close up coverage by video from all angles and expose these people for truely who and what they are. Put them on camera, news, find out who they are, how they vote, and any other information on them that may be legally obtained. If they want to put themselves out there, they have no right to privacy while out in public. Just like them don't break the law, but be sure and exercise OUR rights to the fullest extent.
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Originally posted by ferrellj:
No, the TEA party has no candidates because it isn't a political party at all. What is your definition of a real grassroots movement? The TEA party is disillusioned Americans. They are dems, repubs, and independants.

To vote against all incumbents is being lazy. I want my vote to count toward getting a better candidate elected, incumbent or not. Our founding fathers had in mind a revolution in caes the power of the vote was taken away. By that I mean the government power brokers deciding who we vote for. We are close to that. The goal of the TEA party is to force the republican party back to the conservative principals held by the majority of the American people.


If you vote for an incumbent, you are telling him/her you are satisfied with their performance. Leaving people in office that have contributed to the fiscal disaster (and yes, that DEFINITELY includes Repubs) in our country is lazy. If you don't fire people for poor performance, then you have no reason to complain.
You are exactly right. Both parties have failed the American people. But, that doesn't mean there aren't people in both parties that are trying to do the right thing. That is the greatest accomplishment of the TEA party. It's getting people like me that never had any real interest in politics before into checking out the candidates to see what their beliefs and voting records are. Now when I go vote I'm a much more informed voter. I vote now on knowledge instead of name recognition, color of skin, or political party. That has to be a plus for our country.
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Originally posted by Aude Sapere:
Tea parties are not worth the time and effort to "infiltrate." Already the "leaders" are fighting over who is the real leader and they are becoming as annoying as "Who Let the Dogs Out" blaring over and over again. The inherent contradictions contained within an ad hoc rambling mock coalition that has nothing to do with Paul's first iteration is a joke, a tool of Dick Armey through Dick Scaife.

Once the birthers and politicians arrived, the movement was a satire. Now it is rapidly degenerating into a farce.

Yes, the middle and working class probably taxed enough already, it is Scaife and the Kochs and their ilk who are not. One cannot fight two wars and not raise taxes on some entity, that is common sense if one wishes to do small things like promote the general welfare as well.


What about the tea parties makes you think they are not worth the time and effort to infiltrate? What part of their message do you disagree with?
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Originally posted by ferrellj:
You are exactly right. Both parties have failed the American people. But, that doesn't mean there aren't people in both parties that are trying to do the right thing. That is the greatest accomplishment of the TEA party. It's getting people like me that never had any real interest in politics before into checking out the candidates to see what their beliefs and voting records are. Now when I go vote I'm a much more informed voter. I vote now on knowledge instead of name recognition, color of skin, or political party. That has to be a plus for our country.


Well kudos for becoming more informed and active in our political process. Getting people to wake up to what is happening in Washington is probably the best hope for the Tea Party.

But voting for an incumbent is still wrong Smiler
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Originally posted by Aude Sapere:
Tea parties are not worth the time and effort to "infiltrate."


Sure, sure... Yet I'm certain folks like you would see it as "just DEEE-licious" for those disruptors to be successful...

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Originally posted by Aude Sapere:
One cannot fight two wars and not raise taxes on some entity, that is common sense if one wishes to do small things like promote the general welfare as well.


First of all there is no such thing as "common sense". Practical cognitive ability, yes. Common sense, no. The thing about practical cognitive ability is that it's far less "common" than you might expect. Besides, what are you doing soap boxing on behalf of practicality (your "common" sense)? I thought you guys were all about feelings... Wink
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Originally posted by Aude Sapere:
Tea parties are not worth the time and effort to "infiltrate." Already the "leaders" are fighting over who is the real leader and they are becoming as annoying as "Who Let the Dogs Out" blaring over and over again. The inherent contradictions contained within an ad hoc rambling mock coalition that has nothing to do with Paul's first iteration is a joke, a tool of Dick Armey through Dick Scaife.

Once the birthers and politicians arrived, the movement was a satire. Now it is rapidly degenerating into a farce.

Yes, the middle and working class probably taxed enough already, it is Scaife and the Kochs and their ilk who are not. One cannot fight two wars and not raise taxes on some entity, that is common sense if one wishes to do small things like promote the general welfare as well.


If, this were so, we would not see the left taking the extreme effort to denigrate and insult the movement.
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Originally posted by Pigheaded:
The Democrats won't do anything to disrupt the Tea Party. At election time, the Tea Party will simply siphon some votes from the Republicans and people who vote Democrat will still be voting for Democrats. Bottom line is the Tea Party helps the Dems.


The tea partiers will not build a third party. That's a major tenet of the movement.
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Originally posted by Pigheaded:
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Originally posted by ferrellj:
Keep thinking that way pig, let me know in November how it worked out for you.


OK Ferrellj, tell me how you think it will play out. Does the Tea Party have ANY candidates registered for the Fall elections yet? Does the Tea Party have a platform yet? No, because they aren't an official party. Tea Party people agree that we are overtaxed and the government is overspending. Beyond that, they get pretty fractured on their beliefs from city to city and state to state. I have checked them out in-depth because I was hoping for a real grassroots movement to take place. Sure, there are a few registered Dems participating, but mostly it is disillusioned Repubs.

I still stand by my assertion that the best course of action this Fall is to vote against any incumbent. Not because a better candidate will get elected, but because the Establishment will have a clear message from their constituency. And people need to stop all this nonsense about a revolution brewing. Our founding fathers create our government so that a revolution can occur through elections. It is our own fault if we don't utilize the tools put in front of us.


Their strategy is to build on the framework of the Republican party, much as the Republicans built on the Whigs.
The Tea Party makes itself open to mockery because it is a self-contained preaching-to-the- choir type event. The blaring speakers, the sparkly costumes of the country musicians, the flag-wrapping, the usurpation of the word "Patriot" and "God" as if it were their sole province, the distasteful minority with their outrageous misspelled signs equating the President with a New Lenin are just -- well, silly.

It seems to be an awful of effort to get publicity, unless it is a form of bread and circuses, as preaching to the choir is rather pointless. The other possibility and in my eyes, the most likely, is what is clear in the second iteration of the parties: Scaife via Armey are leading them as the shock troops for the New Newtification of America.

Well, the Democratic and Republicans are just two versions of one party, the Corporate Party, save a few true believers on either side. This is law largely made by those whose campaigns were paid for by corporations, whose laws were written by a coalition of lobbyists for corporations and now corporations are real live people who are not legal fictions when it comes to unlimited "political speech," which I am given to understand is legal for bribery through TV and radio spots and donations.

The R branch of the Corporate Party swears by God and family, yet has senators who wear diapers and use Bourbon St. hookers and toe tap in public WCs. The D branch swears by the worker and Jefferson and Jackson yet has senators who vote to send US jobs overseas and do not have spines.

Huzzah for the few,the brave, the True Believers: they cannot be bought, they have integrity. But after all, the majority are mostly a collection of attorneys, a necessary evil, much like the clergy, true parasites by definition, but these enjoy feeding off others' misery and an offer of hope for their cause/soul.
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Originally posted by Aude Sapere:
The Tea Party makes itself open to mockery because it is a self-contained preaching-to-the- choir type event. The blaring speakers, the sparkly costumes of the country musicians, the flag-wrapping, the usurpation of the word "Patriot" and "God" as if it were their sole province, the distasteful minority with their outrageous misspelled signs equating the President with a New Lenin are just -- well, silly.

It seems to be an awful of effort to get publicity, unless it is a form of bread and circuses, as preaching to the choir is rather pointless. The other possibility and in my eyes, the most likely, is what is clear in the second iteration of the parties: Scaife via Armey are leading them as the shock troops for the New Newtification of America.

Well, the Democratic and Republicans are just two versions of one party, the Corporate Party, save a few true believers on either side. This is law largely made by those whose campaigns were paid for by corporations, whose laws were written by a coalition of lobbyists for corporations and now corporations are real live people who are not legal fictions when it comes to unlimited "political speech," which I am given to understand is legal for bribery through TV and radio spots and donations.

The R branch of the Corporate Party swears by God and family, yet has senators who wear diapers and use Bourbon St. hookers and toe tap in public WCs. The D branch swears by the worker and Jefferson and Jackson yet has senators who vote to send US jobs overseas and do not have spines.

Huzzah for the few,the brave, the True Believers: they cannot be bought, they have integrity. But after all, the majority are mostly a collection of attorneys, a necessary evil, much like the clergy, true parasites by definition, but these enjoy feeding off others' misery and an offer of hope for their cause/soul.


Sooo cynical... and from one of the HopeyChangey™ Obamunists®.
Actually, I voted for Senator now President as the lesser of two evils. I did vote for Daddy Bush over Mike Dukakis and golly was I snowed! I would vote for Mayor Lindsay if you could dig him up, reanimate him and move him to Alabama. I would vote for Ike most likely, had I been alive.

Politically, let's just say that were I a British subject, I would lean towards Glenda Jackson, MP Labour camp over Rt. Hon. Gordon Brown or any of the CP or LDP bunch. In France I would have voted for Mme. Royal. Enough said. Actually, one of my political ideals is Vaclav Havel who was one of the last statesmen, not a politician per se. He was a playwright who got into politics as a necessity for his artistic and individual freedom. He is a realist while an idealist. A rare combination, like Jefferson, a thing not often seen these days. Bernie Sanders is another. He is a disheveled statesman who does not care about lobbyists, only Vermont and the USA. Senator Warner on the other side, a true gentleman and statesman. His debate one-on-one with Sen. Byrd were a thing of beauty, even if I disagreed politically at key points, agreeing with Byrd for the majority of time. Another, as well, was George C. Marshall.

Cynical? Yes, a healthy cynicism which is the way most ought to be, lest they be taken in by P.T. Barnum and the FeeJee Mermade and George Washington's nurse again. I have a rather high standard when it comes to politicians. After all, they are only politicians, not men undergone apotheosis.
How Obama field agents mugged the Ohio TEA and duped the Dispatch newspaper into front page fraud.

More than 1000 people were at the peaceful TEA Party gathering at Rep. Mary Jo Kilroy’s (D) office, in Columbus, Ohio. But Obama and the Democrat National Committee used their paid field agents to attack the rally. Newspaper photos document the event.

The field agents and community organizers focused news stories on their confrontations. The Columbus Dispatch newspaper used huge headline “WAR OF WORDS” on March 17, 2010. The newspaper published a closeup picture a field agent, angrily shouting with his mouth agape. The Columbus dispatch identified the shouting man as “Harold Elder, Columbus, Ohio." However, the newspaper failed to mention the Elder is a paid agent-provocateur that specializes in staging events for Obama and the DNC. Photos published at BackgroundSearch.com prove it. One photo shows Mr. Elder posing with President Obama’s official car. On the internet, Mr. Elder describes himself as a Change Agent and Community Organizer for Obama. Also, the Regional Manager of Obama’s Field Agents was in attendance, staging and directing confrontations at the TEA Party. [URL=http://backgroundsearch.com/backgroundsearch3/backgroundsearch3pages/Obama-Field-Agents-Staged-Confrontations-at-Ohio-Tea-Party.html ]Background re search, proof, and photos here[/URL].

Why is President Obama using police state tactics and agent-provocateurs to suppress political dissent in America?
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Originally posted by chantilly:
How Obama field agents mugged the Ohio TEA and duped the Dispatch newspaper into front page fraud.

More than 1000 people were at the peaceful TEA Party gathering at Rep. Mary Jo Kilroy’s (D) office, in Columbus, Ohio. But Obama and the Democrat National Committee used their paid field agents to attack the rally. Newspaper photos document the event.

The field agents and community organizers focused news stories on their confrontations. The Columbus Dispatch newspaper used huge headline “WAR OF WORDS” on March 17, 2010. The newspaper published a closeup picture a field agent, angrily shouting with his mouth agape. The Columbus dispatch identified the shouting man as “Harold Elder, Columbus, Ohio." However, the newspaper failed to mention the Elder is a paid agent-provocateur that specializes in staging events for Obama and the DNC. Photos published at BackgroundSearch.com prove it. One photo shows Mr. Elder posing with President Obama’s official car. On the internet, Mr. Elder describes himself as a Change Agent and Community Organizer for Obama. Also, the Regional Manager of Obama’s Field Agents was in attendance, staging and directing confrontations at the TEA Party. [URL="http://backgroundsearch.com/backgroundsearch3/backgroundsearch3pages/Obama-Field-Agents-Staged-Confrontations-at-Ohio-Tea-Party.html"]Background re search, proof, and photos here[/URL].

Why is President Obama using police state tactics and agent-provocateurs to suppress political dissent in America?
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Originally posted by Aude Sapere:
Actually, I voted for Senator now President as the lesser of two evils. I did vote for Daddy Bush over Mike Dukakis and golly was I snowed! I would vote for Mayor Lindsay if you could dig him up, reanimate him and move him to Alabama. I would vote for Ike most likely, had I been alive.

Politically, let's just say that were I a British subject, I would lean towards Glenda Jackson, MP Labour camp over Rt. Hon. Gordon Brown or any of the CP or LDP bunch. In France I would have voted for Mme. Royal. Enough said. Actually, one of my political ideals is Vaclav Havel who was one of the last statesmen, not a politician per se. He was a playwright who got into politics as a necessity for his artistic and individual freedom. He is a realist while an idealist. A rare combination, like Jefferson, a thing not often seen these days. Bernie Sanders is another. He is a disheveled statesman who does not care about lobbyists, only Vermont and the USA. Senator Warner on the other side, a true gentleman and statesman. His debate one-on-one with Sen. Byrd were a thing of beauty, even if I disagreed politically at key points, agreeing with Byrd for the majority of time. Another, as well, was George C. Marshall.

Cynical? Yes, a healthy cynicism which is the way most ought to be, lest they be taken in by P.T. Barnum and the FeeJee Mermade and George Washington's nurse again. I have a rather high standard when it comes to politicians. After all, they are only politicians, not men undergone apotheosis.


Mde. Royal is an old line socialist. Rt Hon. Brown has run the UK into the ground. Next to Greece and Spain, its once more the sick man of Europe. Vclav Havel is the opposite of the first two. He's an old line European liberal -- pro-free trade and fiscal conservative. Of Clinton's third way, he said," The third way is the way to the third world." Aude, do you even know what you're speaking of?
I said I respected Havel for his statesmanship, the same as I do Senator Warner. I do not limit my respect to those of any camp. I said I would be Glenda Jackson camp if I were in the UK, she is Old Labour. Yes, I was saying who I respected and then crossed into European parallels. Did you not read the post in toto? Havel is a hero of mine, the artist-president, his degree of liberalism be darned.
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Originally posted by Caduceus:
Why don't the tea partiers just stop with the silly conspiracy theories and admit that there are a few in the party that are racists and homophobes?


Since there are many, many more real racists and real homophobes in liberal groups, why is it such a big deal that there may be some in the Tea Party movement?

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