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A police officer I know said that graffiti and vandalism got so bad at riverfront park that a special curfew has recently been imposed on that area. And there is a bowling alley and movie theater in town available to teens. i just don't think most people think young teens need to be out that late anywhere other than their own homes, like the person that said he lets teens hang out at his house on his porch. The police shouldn't bother them there. If they did it was probably more out of concern for the teenagers safety wondering why an older person would want young teen at his home late at night.
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Kinda hard for "Daddy and Mommy" to make young adults over the age of 18 to stay home. Some are 20 and out of their parents house.

Maybe if mommy & daddy had of instilled more morals & values in these kids then we weould not have these problems today....& if you wait until your kids are 18 or 20 to try & make them do something with thier life, then YOU ARE WAY TO LATE FOR THAT FOLKS.

As anyone else noticed the increase in "bad kids" since the schools are not allowed to do anything to our kids, heck they cant even fail a kid that dont do anything in class in more with out some parent sueing because that is discrimination....not thier lazy kid....& some places dont even have try outs for sports teams any more, because all the kids may not make it & it will hurt thier feelings.....WELL IN MY OPINON.....hurt feelings usually come with a very valuable lesson, along with bad grades on the report card, or a paddling, or heck even being pushed down on the play ground, you learn something ....maybe I should do my work in school, or maybe I am not good enough to play ball & I need to try harder, or maybe I should stay away from that kid that is a jerk at the playground.......

Things are gonna keep on getting worse until the REAL ADULTS stand up, start taking responsibility for themselves & thier kids & start RAISING THEM to be respectable people

it should fall back on the parents to make sure their kids are not out at 3 & 4 in the am being stoopid, but so many have gotten lazy & expect some one else to raise their kids for them......

sorry bout my rant....just a touchy subject from one mommy to the world!!
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Originally posted by anw:
There must be a curfew, my grandson and party was stoped last week as they were travling through town. they were told there was one for 17 year old and under starting at 10PM. the driver was over 18 so after a search of everyone and the car, they were let go with a warning. by the way, non of them live in town.


I think the curfew only involves teen drivers unaccompanied by an adult - ask a teenager they know the rules.
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Originally posted by pain&panicsmom:
Maybe if mommy & daddy had of instilled more morals & values in these kids then we would not have these problems today....& if you wait until your kids are 18 or 20 to try & make them do something with their life, then YOU ARE WAY TO LATE FOR THAT FOLKS.

As anyone else noticed the increase in "bad kids" since the schools are not allowed to do anything to our kids, heck they cant even fail a kid that dont do anything in class in more with out some parent sueing because that is discrimination....not thier lazy kid....& some places dont even have try outs for sports teams any more, because all the kids may not make it & it will hurt thier feelings.....WELL IN MY OPINON.....hurt feelings usually come with a very valuable lesson, along with bad grades on the report card, or a paddling, or heck even being pushed down on the play ground, you learn something ....maybe I should do my work in school, or maybe I am not good enough to play ball & I need to try harder, or maybe I should stay away from that kid that is a jerk at the playground.......

Things are gonna keep on getting worse until the REAL ADULTS stand up, start taking responsibility for themselves & thier kids & start RAISING THEM to be respectable people

it should fall back on the parents to make sure their kids are not out at 3 & 4 in the am being stoopid, but so many have gotten lazy & expect some one else to raise their kids for them......

sorry bout my rant....just a touchy subject from one mommy to the world!!


nicely put.i had not one but two great parents. never missed any event (footballgame......etc..) they always had to know: WHERE?, WHEN?, WHO WITH?, AND BE HOME BY MIDNIGHT. (sometimes one or two if it was something special. prom....) i always hated that. now that i am almost 40 i understand what they were doing. they were making me responsible for my own actions! who i was with, and what i was doing!!! Now, i have no children. (by choice) nor will i ever! (by choice!!!) but good kids always get the bad end of the stick because of a few bad ones screwing everything up!
Yes, I have a son, but he is much younger than the young teens in question. I can assure that I will raise him like my parents raised me. They knew where I was and who I was with and I would never have been allowed to be out at midnight on a Sunday (and not for religious reasons) but simply because there is no good reason to be out at night past eleven or midnight when you are that young. I also live near my parents and does my brother and we did not choose to leave as soon as possible just because we had rules in our house. We left when we went to college and knew that if we lived at home for the summer we would once again have to follow their rules. I find it odd that some people on this board are so rude when all I am saying is that YOUNG teens do not need to be out past eleven, especially when we do have this vandalism problem. Hanging out on the street very late at night is not appropriate for YOUNG teens and I think any rational and mature person would agree.
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Originally posted by shoalsman:
Yes, I have a son, but he is much younger than the young teens in question. I can assure that I will raise him like my parents raised me. They knew where I was and who I was with and I would never have been allowed to be out at midnight on a Sunday (and not for religious reasons) but simply because there is no good reason to be out at night past eleven or midnight when you are that young. I also live near my parents and does my brother and we did not choose to leave as soon as possible just because we had rules in our house. We left when we went to college and knew that if we lived at home for the summer we would once again have to follow their rules. I find it odd that some people on this board are so rude when all I am saying is that YOUNG teens do not need to be out past eleven, especially when we do have this vandalism problem. Hanging out on the street very late at night is not appropriate for YOUNG teens and I think any rational and mature person would agree.


You are right SM- YOUNG teens should not be out past 10 or 11 - there is a curfew and I've been told the police tell the young one's it is time to leave. I read your earlier post about the vandalism and I'm sorry to hear that happened; I love Chicago Dogs. The kids I know weren't there Sunday night - you did say it happened Sunday, right? One was home with their parents and the others were at a family reunion. I talked to them about what happened and they said they haven't heard anything. These are young adults over 18.
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Originally posted by shoalsman:
And there is a bowling alley and movie theater in town available to teens.


You are really out of touch aren't you. The teens are not allowed to go to the late movie without their legal guardian. Where do you want them, all at home? No wonder they all want to leave.

A brick through a window of a business very likely happened by thugs passing by, not by a crowd hanging out and talking.
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Originally posted by shoalsman:
The Chicago Sub place on Mobile st had a brick thrown through the window and was robbed. Yeah these are great kids hanging out downtown late at night. There is a reason for a curfew... kids hanging out past 11pm downtown are generally up to no good. Young teenagers need to be at home at 11pm. Any good parent would agree. These aren't college kids people.


The Chicago Cafe was not robbed. It may have been burglarized, or a theft may have taken place inside. Robbery requires the use of force against the person of the owner or any person present with intent to overcome his physical resistance or physical power of resistance.

I have to agree with Bubba.
Yes please excuse the mistake I meant burglary. And yes teenagers need to be home by 11 or 12 especially on a sunday or other night proceeding school/work days. Hopefully they are not alone, hopefully parents are home that late too (most nights I would think anyway). They can have friends over to their houses like most kids do.Young teens can go out and do normal teenager things but around 11 or 12 YEAH they need to haul it home for a number of reasons and anyone who doesn't agree is irresponsible in my opinion.
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Originally posted by bubbaluck:
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Originally posted by shoalsman:
And there is a bowling alley and movie theater in town available to teens.


You are really out of touch aren't you. The teens are not allowed to go to the late movie without their legal guardian. Where do you want them, all at home? No wonder they all want to leave.

A brick through a window of a business very likely happened by thugs passing by, not by a crowd hanging out and talking.


bubba....YES, at home! they have no business out that late and yes they should be home! Maybe if more parents kept their kids at home READING A GOOD BOOK, FINDING INTERESTING SUBJECTS TO RESEARCH ON THE INTERNET (under adult supervision) OR EVEN PLAYING GAMES WITH THE REST OF THE FAMILY instead of being ignored and left to play mindless video games and then sneaking out (when you think they are playing mindless video games) we would not be having this conversation.

After all of that I don't think we need a curfew but if a parents child is picked up after midnight doing stupid random acts of stupidity then the parent is just as guilty for not knowing where their child is as the kid is of doing the stupid act!

I think a big dose of Community Service would be an appropriate sentence for both child and parents to do together! It promotes family togetherness as well as cleans up the Community!
LOL Public Thinker, what were you doing at that age?

It's summertime. I'm sure these kids will be back doing homework and going to bed at a reasonable hour come this Thursday. Besides, they have no money to spend at a movie or sit down restaraunt. Gas is high. Most of these kids just want to see and be seen. For the most part, they're not out to get in trouble.

Anyone remember the strip? If you do, don't deny you rode that thing on weekend nights cruising to see who was out and about!
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Originally posted by imya_huckleberry:
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Originally posted by shoalsman:
The Chicago Sub place on Mobile st had a brick thrown through the window and was robbed. Yeah these are great kids hanging out downtown late at night. There is a reason for a curfew... kids hanging out past 11pm downtown are generally up to no good. Young teenagers need to be at home at 11pm. Any good parent would agree. These aren't college kids people.


The Chicago Cafe was not robbed. It may have been burglarized, or a theft may have taken place inside. Robbery requires the use of force against the person of the owner or any person present with intent to overcome his physical resistance or physical power of resistance.

I have to agree with Bubba.


Whatever it's called, you say tomato I say tomato, it's not a good thing.
Hitler had curfews.

I remember when the strip was here and half of you probably rode up and down it. Why is it that old people fear young people? You were young once. How would you feel about a curfew? We don't need curfew's, dictatorship, and more laws to add to the books. You old foggies go to bed with the chickens and leave the youth alone. Roll Eyes
I agree younger teens have no business whatsoever out at those late hours,,,peroid.TO include sports events and all those "nice' things mommie and daddy find acceptable. Young people get mixed messages on such rediculous double standards. Why not just make the times of events earlier so kids can maintain a constant in their lives.
But just how does the foggies suggest curfewing young ADULTS? Should folks who are going to be out after certain hours go before the police and get "passes"?
Well lets hope that last night was their farewell because they ripped the plants out of flower pots in downtown businesses last night including Mobile street. So this week they have thrown bricks into a window on Mobile street and ruined flower pots downtown. This is why they don't need to be downtown after around 11pm. It isn't a fear of youth that makes me think we need a curfew. Many of these kids are not nice kids. Sorry but they aren't.
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Originally posted by shoalsman:
So this week they have thrown bricks into a window on Mobile street and ruined flower pots downtown.


Those are not teenagers hanging out downtown - those are vandals - there is a difference. Some of the folks that hang out down there are older and are just hanging out - doing no harm. If we decide that because of what has allegedly happened this week no one can hang out, vandals have taken over the lives of everyone. The kids, and I say kids because they are mostly older than me, that are known to the police are ok kids, doing no harm, exercising their right to assemble in public. Calling for a curfew by which we roll up the streets is not the answer.
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Originally posted by smurph:
Should folks who are going to be out after certain hours go before the police and get "passes"?

I had no idea that I went to sleep in the shoals, and awoke in east berlin? Roll Eyes

all young folks who are out late aren't criminals. just like all old folks aren't crabby old farts, even though some act like it.

the comment that "we should provide theaters, bowling alleys, etc" cracked me up! since when did municipal government get into the entertainment business?

if you don't want to see folks out late, STAY HOME! at least with the young folks out late, and the old folks out early, they don't have to dodge eachother on the streets.
This is what I was tasked with enforcing as a Tennessee LEO:



39-17-1702. Curfew established — Exceptions — Duties of apprehending authority. —







(a) It is unlawful for any minor between seventeen (17) and eighteen (18) years of age to remain in or upon any public street, highway, park, vacant lot, establishment or other public place within the county during the following time frames:





(1) Monday through Thursday between the hours of eleven o'clock p.m. (11:00 p.m.) to six o'clock a.m. (6:00 a.m.).





(2) Friday through Sunday between the hours of twelve o'clock (12:00) midnight to six o'clock a.m. (6:00 a.m.).





(b) It is unlawful for any minor sixteen (16) years of age and under to remain in or upon any public street, highway, park, vacant lot, establishment or other public place within the county during the following time frames:





(1) Monday through Thursday between the hours of ten o'clock p.m. (10:00 p.m.) to six o'clock a.m. (6:00 a.m.).





(2) Friday through Sunday between the hours of eleven o'clock p.m. (11:00 p.m.) to six o'clock a.m. (6:00 a.m.).





(c) It is unlawful for a parent or guardian of a minor to knowingly permit or by inefficient control to allow the minor to be or remain upon any street or establishment under circumstances not constituting an exception to, or otherwise beyond the scope of subsections (a) and (b). The term “knowingly” includes knowledge that a parent or guardian should reasonably be expected to have concerning the whereabouts of a minor in that parent's legal custody. The term “knowingly” is intended to continue to keep neglectful or careless parents up to a reasonable community standard of parental responsibility through an objective test. It is not a defense that a parent was completely indifferent to the activities or conduct or whereabouts of the minor child.





(d) (1) The following are valid exceptions to the operation of the curfew:





(A) At any time, if a minor is accompanied by the minor's parent or guardian;





(B) When accompanied by an adult authorized by a parent or guardian of the minor to take the parent or guardian's place in accompanying the minor for a designated period of time and purpose within a specified area;





(C) Until the hour of twelve-thirty a.m. (12:30 a.m.), if the minor is on an errand as directed by the minor's parent;





(D) If the minor is legally employed, for the period from forty-five (45) minutes before to forty-five (45) minutes after work, while going directly between the minor's home and place of employment. This exception shall also apply if the minor is in a public place during the curfew hours in the course of the minor's employment. To come within this exception, the minor must be carrying written evidence of employment that is issued by the employer;





(E) Until the hour of twelve-thirty a.m. (12:30 a.m.) if the minor is on the property of or the sidewalk directly adjacent to the place where the minor resides or the place immediately adjacent to the place where the minor resides, if the owner of the adjacent building does not communicate an objection to the minor and the law enforcement officer;





(F) When returning home by a direct route from (and within thirty (30) minutes of the termination of) a school activity or an activity of a religious or other voluntary association, or a place of public entertainment, such as a movie, play or sporting event. This exception does not apply beyond one o'clock a.m. (1:00 a.m.).





(G) In the case of reasonable necessity, but only after the minor's parent has communicated to law enforcement personnel the facts establishing the reasonable necessity relating to specified streets at a designated time for a described purpose including place or origin and destination. A copy of the communication, or the record of the communication, an appropriate notation of the time it was received and of the names and addresses of the parent or guardian and minor constitute evidence of qualification under this exception;





(H) When exercising First Amendment rights protected by the United States Constitution, such as the free exercise of religion, freedom of speech and the right of assembly. A minor shall show evidence of the good faith of the exercise and provide notice to the city officials by first delivering to the appropriate law enforcement authority a written communication, signed by the minor, with the minor's home address and telephone number, addressed to the mayor of the county specifying when, where and in what manner the minor will be on the streets at night during hours when the curfew is still otherwise applicable to the minor in the exercise of a First Amendment right specified in the communication; and





(I) When a minor is, with parental consent, in a motor vehicle engaged in good faith interstate travel.





(2) Each of the exceptions contained in subdivision (d)(1), and the limitations are severable.





(e) When any child is in violation of this section, the apprehending officer shall act in one (1) of the following ways:





(1) In the case of a first violation, and if in the opinion of the officer the action would be effective, take the child to the child's home and warn and counsel the parents or guardians;





(2) Issue a summons to the child or parents or guardians to appear at the juvenile court; or





(3) Bring the child into the custody of the juvenile court for disposition.





(f) (1) A minor violating the provisions of this section shall commit an unruly act disposition of which shall be governed pursuant to title 37.





(2) Any parent, guardian, or other person having the care, custody and control of a minor violating the provisions of this section commits a Class C misdemeanor and shall be fined no more than fifty dollars ($50.00) for each offense. Each violation of the provisions of this section shall constitute a separate offense.





[Acts 1995, ch. 314, § 2.]
No problems with those kids hanging out on Mobile/around the coffee shop.....

JUST PLEASE THROW YOUR DANG CIGARETTE BUTTS IN THE GARBAGE CAN AND NOT ON THE GROUND IN FRONT OF SHOALS THEATRE (or anywhere for that matter)!!! SOMEONE HAS TO PICK THEM UP.

Smoke all you want....just don't throw your butts on the ground.....why is that so **** difficult to understand....a cigarette butt is trash....trash belongs in a trash can, ala the name=TRASH CAN.

(if this is a problem for anyone, let me know where you live so I can dump several 1000 cigarettes butts on your property so you can pick 'em up)
We were down in the area last Saturday night. We got coffee, walked to UNA, oohed and aahhed at the fountain, noticed the lions were not out, and then walked back to the coffee shop and got another coffee - actually a Chai Tea for the 2nd cup. But anywho... There were kids milling around, but none were causing any problems. I didn't hear any profanity or see any of them acting like fools. None of them were dressed like they didn't have any raising.

I agree with REDNEVEDNAV that everyone needs to keep their trash out of the street, but I see a lot of older folks tossing their cigarette butts on the street before they walk in Legends, too.

If the worst thing that people have to gripe about is 10 - 15 kids buying coffee and talking about the upcoming semester, then I'd say Florence must be doing pretty darn good.
My observation/request is certainly applicable to everyone regardless of sex, age, color, creed...or anything else that may distinguish one from another. However, within the context of this thread....my request is specifically targeting that group that 'hangs out' there...the same group being referred to in this thread. (Make it a point to check out the area in front of the Theatre on any given Monday.)

If you smoke (like me) do not throw your butts on the ground at all, anywhere. I don't and neither should anyone else.


Off topic, but somewhat vaguely relevant:

[While in the Army, my platoon sergeant saw me flick a butt on the ground. He handed me a 60 gallon trash bag and told me that I 'will not lay down in my bed to sleep until it was filled with cigarette butts.' 17 hours later, I had managed to fill that bag (unfortunately, I was on an Army base...very few butts on the ground, I resorted to taking cig.butt donations from all the barracks from ash trays......I am willing to bet the same task would take less than an hour in downtown Florence). That was 19 years ago; I have yet to throw a butt on the ground.]
years ago I used to work at what is now Sara Lee (rudy farms, jimmy dean). I smoke and so did the supervisor. On my very first day down there we where outside chatting and smoking when we where done I tossed my cig butt out on the ground. He looked at me and said go pick that up and put it into your pocket until you pass a trash can and then put it in there. My point is that some smokers do not know anything BUTT tossing them to the ground. Also the CITY employ's a street sweeper.and other places have there grunt employee that has to sweep them up. What is the problem folks>>??? people,beer bottles ,cig butts and all the other trash that people in this area toss out keeps SOMEONE in a job.Quit your dam crying and deal with it. ALEAST someone in this sad retirement community is working even if YOU dont like it.
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I just got back from my morning jog and someone has ripped the flower pots up on Mobile street. So much for them stopping once school started.

Okay now are you SURE without a doubt its teenagers doing this? I ask this because I was having lunch last Friday at a local downtown resturant and the people sitting behind me were discussing how ragged those said flower pots looked. The females in the group were stating how awfull the plants looked,no watering,fertilizer etc. These were folks who appeared well over 40 having this discussion.
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Originally posted by REDNEVEDNAV:
No problems with those kids hanging out on Mobile/around the coffee shop.....

JUST PLEASE THROW YOUR DANG CIGARETTE BUTTS IN THE GARBAGE CAN AND NOT ON THE GROUND IN FRONT OF SHOALS THEATRE (or anywhere for that matter)!!! SOMEONE HAS TO PICK THEM UP.

Smoke all you want....just don't throw your butts on the ground.....why is that so **** difficult to understand....a cigarette butt is trash....trash belongs in a trash can, ala the name=TRASH CAN.

(if this is a problem for anyone, let me know where you live so I can dump several 1000 cigarettes butts on your property so you can pick 'em up)


Just wondering Red, if there is a "BUTT" Can (with sand) anywhere near the area. I wouldn't want them to throw it in the trash cans as it could start a fire.

As far as the flowers, I thought the police were patrolling the area and I'm told Florence does have a curfew for those under 18. Which is fine with me.

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