The sick part is how the left want us to ignore all the hate that comes from them. Death threats and urging people to kill Republicans are all over the net and TV and anywhere else the left gathers. Democrats can't help it I guess, all they know is how to "play dirty" and the truth is foreign to them. Maybe we could pity them if it wasn't for the fact they don't care if loonies are out there killing people, because those loonies are their "useful tools" to push their agenda. They rejoice when horrible things like this happen. I'm going to repeat something I posted earlier because I want all of them to know what I think. A child died. A nine year old child among others. If they could change that event I don't think they would. Dems don't care about that child or anyone else that died. All that child's death did was give them an excuse to attack. I'd like to think that the democrats posting on here were only the sickest of the sick, but I know that's not true. They are the epitome of the democratic party.
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"If they bring a knife, we bring a gun to a fight".
Barack Hussein Obama
quote:Originally posted by Jennifer:
The sick part is how the left want us to ignore all the hate that comes from them. Death threats and urging people to kill Republicans are all over the net and TV and anywhere else the left gathers. Democrats can't help it I guess, all they know is how to "play dirty" and the truth is foreign to them. Maybe we could pity them if it wasn't for the fact they don't care if loonies are out there killing people, because those loonies are their "useful tools" to push their agenda. They rejoice when horrible things like this happen. I'm going to repeat something I posted earlier because I want all of them to know what I think. A child died. A nine year old child among others. If they could change that event I don't think they would. Dems don't care about that child or anyone else that died. All that child's death did was give them an excuse to attack. I'd like to think that the democrats posting on here were only the sickest of the sick, but I know that's not true. They are the epitome of the democratic party.
Logic owns you
By decrying violence perpetrated against fellow citizens, Dems are actually celebrating the deaths of innocent people?
quote:Originally posted by Jennifer:
The sick part is how the left want us to ignore all the hate that comes from them. Death threats and urging people to kill Republicans are all over the net and TV and anywhere else the left gathers. Democrats can't help it I guess, all they know is how to "play dirty" and the truth is foreign to them. Maybe we could pity them if it wasn't for the fact they don't care if loonies are out there killing people, because those loonies are their "useful tools" to push their agenda. They rejoice when horrible things like this happen. I'm going to repeat something I posted earlier because I want all of them to know what I think. A child died. A nine year old child among others. If they could change that event I don't think they would. Dems don't care about that child or anyone else that died. All that child's death did was give them an excuse to attack. I'd like to think that the democrats posting on here were only the sickest of the sick, but I know that's not true. They are the epitome of the democratic party.
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"If they bring a knife, we bring a gun to a fight".
Barack Hussein Obama
Jennifer, if you really believe all of that, then you are the one who is sick.
quote:Posted 11 January 2011 11:20 AM Hide
I doubt it.
By pointing out that Palin spouts violence-inspired rhetoric, you claim that I am as bad as a guy that attempts to assassinate a Congresswoman and kill many other random people. You cant manage a rational fact-based debate. Ever.
They are examples of gun imagery on the left, there are talking heads on the left, there are politicians and police calling the Tea Party members; teabaggers, ignorant red necks, white supremacists, racist, and a host of other things.
You want a debate, then bring some facts to the table instead of one liners. The one liners and pictures made up by the left to incite the right is not going to help the dialogue.
If both sides would actually look at what's out there, instead of giving their own side a pass, we could stop it.
Did Sarah have some crosshairs? Yes
Did the DLP have targets? Yes
Have both sides demonized the pres of the other pary? Yes and if you care to go back in time, that began with Washington.
Have politicians been demonize on both sides ? Yes
Want to stop it, start now.
quote:Originally posted by b50m:quote:Posted 11 January 2011 11:20 AM Hide
I doubt it.
By pointing out that Palin spouts violence-inspired rhetoric, you claim that I am as bad as a guy that attempts to assassinate a Congresswoman and kill many other random people. You cant manage a rational fact-based debate. Ever.
They are examples of gun imagery on the left, there are talking heads on the left, there are politicians and police calling the Tea Party members; teabaggers, ignorant red necks, white supremacists, racist, and a host of other things.
You want a debate, then bring some facts to the table instead of one liners. The one liners and pictures made up by the left to incite the right is not going to help the dialogue.
If both sides would actually look at what's out there, instead of giving their own side a pass, we could stop it.
Did Sarah have some crosshairs? Yes
Did the DLP have targets? Yes
Have both sides demonized the pres of the other pary? Yes and if you care to go back in time, that began with Washington.
Have politicians been demonize on both sides ? Yes
Want to stop it, start now.
And I will repeat what you ignored:
no one, either Dem or Repub, is celebrating or to use your word "rejoicing" at the violent deaths of fellow citizens. Start yourself first.
Where did I say any one was celebrating or rejoicing over the deaths?
quote:Originally posted by Jennifer:
The sick part is how the left want us to ignore all the hate that comes from them. Death threats and urging people to kill Republicans are all over the net and TV and anywhere else the left gathers. Democrats can't help it I guess, all they know is how to "play dirty" and the truth is foreign to them. Maybe we could pity them if it wasn't for the fact they don't care if loonies are out there killing people, because those loonies are their "useful tools" to push their agenda. They rejoice when horrible things like this happen. I'm going to repeat something I posted earlier because I want all of them to know what I think. A child died. A nine year old child among others. If they could change that event I don't think they would. Dems don't care about that child or anyone else that died. All that child's death did was give them an excuse to attack. I'd like to think that the democrats posting on here were only the sickest of the sick, but I know that's not true. They are the epitome of the democratic party.
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Let me help you recall 20 minutes ago
That is Jennifer's post.
The argument has been contextualized as "us" versus "them"
Juan, that is not fair. There is a WORLD of difference between the two. That would be like telling all liberals they are the same, or all ANYTHINGS. I thought we alllearned in fifth grade that stereotyping anyone was a bad idea.
quote:Originally posted by O No!:
Juan, that is not fair. There is a WORLD of difference between the two. That would be like telling all liberals they are the same, or all ANYTHINGS. I thought we alllearned in fifth grade that stereotyping anyone was a bad idea.
Perhaps you are right, but it was not me me that made the initial assertion.
i do wonder why, if Palin and her rhetoric are in no way responsible for inciting violence, why did she scrub the website within minutes of the shootings? Oh well, its just one of those pesky facts that cant be explained.
quote:Originally posted by JuanHunt:
The argument has been contextualized as "us" versus "them"
Not only is that an illogical statement, it's devoid of reason.
Intelligence may be over rated, however you are proving yourself to incapable of making a claim to intelligence.
I've shown you the left uses images and statements of hatred towards Sarah Palin of the most vile nature. Yet, a simple map is proof, to you of a call to murder. As I've shown, the Democrats had two such maps of nearly the same nature. But, in the fever swamp that passes for leftist thought, these are of no consequence. As, are images of Palin being shot and beaten.
You're beginning to match the pathology of those we must beware of!
quote:Originally posted by elinterventor01:quote:Originally posted by JuanHunt:
The argument has been contextualized as "us" versus "them"
Not only is that an illogical statement, it's devoid of reason.
Intelligence may be over rated, however you are proving yourself to incapable of making a claim to intelligence.
I've shown you the left uses images and statements of hatred towards Sarah Palin of the most vile nature. Yet, a simple map is proof, to you of a call to murder. As I've shown, the Democrats had two such maps of nearly the same nature. But, in the fever swamp that passes for leftist thought, these are of no consequence. As, are images of Palin being shot and beaten.
You're beginning to match the pathology of those we must beware of!
Just give up, you are not impressing anyone but yourself. The images you posted, so far have not provoked any violence, so perhaps Dems can recognize satire more readily than RepoubTEACons.
quote:Just give up, you are not impressing anyone but yourself. The images you posted, so far have not provoked any violence, so perhaps Dems can recognize satire more readily than RepoubTEACons.
What violence has Palin's map provoked? Just your and other rabid leftie's false claims that it has is not proof. I could say that the left's hatred has caused deaths. It's a shame Palin and others can't sue your and other's a** for your lies and "hate talk".
quote:The images you posted, so far have not provoked any violence, so perhaps Dems can recognize satire more readily than RepoubTEACons.
You don't know that any more than Sarah's PROVOKED violence. Reps have been targets of attacks as well.
I see you changed the argument rather than admit you made a mistake on my post.
If you want it to be 'us' vs 'them', then you are helping to perpetuate the violence.
quote:Originally posted by b50m:quote:The images you posted, so far have not provoked any violence, so perhaps Dems can recognize satire more readily than RepoubTEACons.
You don't know that any more than Sarah's PROVOKED violence. Reps have been targets of attacks as well.
I see you changed the argument rather than admit you made a mistake on my post.
If you want it to be 'us' vs 'them', then you are helping to perpetuate the violence.
I consider the attitudes/opinions of all Repubs to be interchangeable. Deal with it.
Palin is welcome to sue anyone for anything, this is America. It must be a great burden to all Repubs that freedom of speech applies to people with opinions they disagree with, just as freedom of religion applies to Muslim Americans.
quote:I consider the attitudes/opinions of all Repubs to be interchangeable. Deal with it.
The you and all the Bush haters and those calling for his death are the same.
quote:It must be a great burden to all Repubs that freedom of speech applies to people with opinions they disagree with, just as freedom of religion applies to Muslim Americans.
It is a dem congressman calling for a crack down on free speech, Juan.
quote:Originally posted by JuanHunt:quote:Originally posted by elinterventor01:quote:Originally posted by JuanHunt:
The argument has been contextualized as "us" versus "them"
Not only is that an illogical statement, it's devoid of reason.
Intelligence may be over rated, however you are proving yourself to incapable of making a claim to intelligence.
I've shown you the left uses images and statements of hatred towards Sarah Palin of the most vile nature. Yet, a simple map is proof, to you of a call to murder. As I've shown, the Democrats had two such maps of nearly the same nature. But, in the fever swamp that passes for leftist thought, these are of no consequence. As, are images of Palin being shot and beaten.
You're beginning to match the pathology of those we must beware of!
Just give up, you are not impressing anyone but yourself. The images you posted, so far have not provoked any violence, so perhaps Dems can recognize satire more readily than RepoubTEACons.
There is no proof that he contacted Palin, ever viewed the map, or any of her blogs or tweets. Yet, the left uses the existence of the map as proof that it caused the shooting -- truly illogical.
If we applied that to the assassination of JFK, then anyone who spoke well of communism, the Cuban variant or Castro should immediately be incarcerated as a potential threat. At least, there was proof of that contact.
quote:I consider the attitudes/opinions of all Repubs to be interchangeable. Deal with it
Juan Hunt, confessed and self acknowledge bigot.
Simply insert the term Muslim, Christian, Democrat, Jew, etc. in place of Repubs if you can't otherwise discern his closed mindset.
quote:Originally posted by elinterventor01:quote:I consider the attitudes/opinions of all Repubs to be interchangeable. Deal with it
Juan Hunt, confessed and self acknowledge bigot.
Simply insert the term Muslim, Christian, Democrat, Jew, etc. in place of Repubs if you can't otherwise discern his closed mindset.
Look up the word "bigot", preferably before posting.
quote:Look up the word "bigot", preferably before posting
Juan,
Hating all people of one group is a bigot. You said all republicans are the same. Meets the definition.
''A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one exhibiting intolerance, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs.''
quote:Originally posted by b50m:quote:Look up the word "bigot", preferably before posting
Juan,
Hating all people of one group is a bigot. You said all republicans are the same. Meets the definition.
''A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one exhibiting intolerance, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs.''
Logic owns you. Regarding all Repubs beliefs as interchangeable is not equivalent to hate. How do you even make such a leap??? Do you assume that everyone that disagrees with you, hates you???
Logic doesn't own me and it missed you by.
quote:and animosity toward those of differing beliefs.''
Still fits Juan.
quote:Originally posted by elinterventor01:quote:I consider the attitudes/opinions of all Repubs to be interchangeable. Deal with it
Juan Hunt, confessed and self acknowledge bigot.
Simply insert the term Muslim, Christian, Democrat, Jew, etc. in place of Repubs if you can't otherwise discern his closed mindset.
In that case there are a lot of you right-wingers who are bigots too. I have seen many many posts on this forum claiming that ALL Democrats lie, that ALL Democrats hate. This whole section of this thread started with Jennifer claiming that all Democrats didn't even care that a little girl died.
NONE of us thinks exactly like others. There are some lefties who hate, while some of us simply want what we believe is best for this country. There are some righties who hate, while others want what they believe is best for this country. Pigeon-holing and stereotyping accomplishes nothing except more bad feelings.
If Palin honestly thought her web postings had nothing to do with potentially inspiring violence, why did she remove them from her site???
quote:Originally posted by O No!:quote:Originally posted by elinterventor01:quote:I consider the attitudes/opinions of all Repubs to be interchangeable. Deal with it
Juan Hunt, confessed and self acknowledge bigot.
Simply insert the term Muslim, Christian, Democrat, Jew, etc. in place of Repubs if you can't otherwise discern his closed mindset.
In that case there are a lot of you right-wingers who are bigots too. I have seen many many posts on this forum claiming that ALL Democrats lie, that ALL Democrats hate. This whole section of this thread started with Jennifer claiming that all Democrats didn't even care that a little girl died.
NONE of us thinks exactly like others. There are some lefties who hate, while some of us simply want what we believe is best for this country. There are some righties who hate, while others want what they believe is best for this country. Pigeon-holing and stereotyping accomplishes nothing except more bad feelings.
The right on this forum can dish it out quite well, but start playing victim when they have to take it.
quote:Originally posted by Buttercup:
The right on this forum can dish it out quite well, but start playing victim when they have to take it.
Yeeees... victim... and you one when you see one, right? (imagine a "wink" emoticon)
quote:Originally posted by JuanHunt:
If Palin honestly thought her web postings had nothing to do with potentially inspiring violence, why did she remove them from her site???
Why did the Dems take down the one of their targets?
The really stupid thing is Palin's was at her web site, not blasted all over the news except by the LEFT. If you want to blame the media for hyping it, it was the left side.
quote:Originally posted by marksw59:quote:Originally posted by Buttercup:
The right on this forum can dish it out quite well, but start playing victim when they have to take it.
Yeeees... victim... and you one when you see one, right? (imagine a "wink" emoticon)
What exactly does "you one when you see one" mean?
And go ahead and insert the wink; I know you want to.
quote:Originally posted by b50m:quote:Originally posted by JuanHunt:
If Palin honestly thought her web postings had nothing to do with potentially inspiring violence, why did she remove them from her site???
Why did the Dems take down the one of their targets?
The really stupid thing is Palin's was at her web site, not blasted all over the news except by the LEFT. If you want to blame the media for hyping it, it was the left side.
You have a good point there. While the map was outrageous, the fact that the left publicized it so much in an effort to denounce it, brought it to the attention of that many more people.
quote:Originally posted by Buttercup:quote:Originally posted by marksw59:quote:Originally posted by Buttercup:
The right on this forum can dish it out quite well, but start playing victim when they have to take it.
Yeeees... victim... and you one when you see one, right? (imagine a "wink" emoticon)
What exactly does "you one when you see one" mean?
And go ahead and insert the wink; I know you want to.
D'oh! I hate typos... especially completely leaving out words. It should have read, "you know one when you see one, right?"
http://www.frumforum.com/david...nguage-still-matters
Frum starts speaking in the video at about 7:15. Frum is a former economic speechwriter for President George W. Bush.
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quote:While appearing on The Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell, David Frum discussed the role of our political discourse in the Arizona shooting. He argued that even though the alleged shooter has no identifiable political identity, it is still important to be careful with political rhetoric. He also gave advice for how Sarah Palin could have better handled her response to the tragedy.
quote:Originally posted by JuanHunt:quote:Originally posted by b50m:quote:Look up the word "bigot", preferably before posting
Juan,
Hating all people of one group is a bigot. You said all republicans are the same. Meets the definition.
''A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one exhibiting intolerance, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs.''
Logic owns you. Regarding all Repubs beliefs as interchangeable is not equivalent to hate. How do you even make such a leap??? Do you assume that everyone that disagrees with you, hates you???
"I consider the attitudes/opinions of all Repubs to be interchangeable. Deal with it"
Yes, regarding all Republicans and their beliefs as interchangeable is blind bigotry, mixed with a call to emotion. Its part of an old strategy of dehumanizing one's opponent. With the belief that your opponent is less than human comes the self delusion that any actions against them are justified. Seen the same phenomenon over and over, in too many societies, of many different political/religious beliefs.
quote:Originally posted by elinterventor01:quote:Originally posted by JuanHunt:quote:Originally posted by b50m:quote:Look up the word "bigot", preferably before posting
Juan,
Hating all people of one group is a bigot. You said all republicans are the same. Meets the definition.
''A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one exhibiting intolerance, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs.''
Logic owns you. Regarding all Repubs beliefs as interchangeable is not equivalent to hate. How do you even make such a leap??? Do you assume that everyone that disagrees with you, hates you???
"I consider the attitudes/opinions of all Repubs to be interchangeable. Deal with it"
Yes, regarding all Republicans and their beliefs as interchangeable is blind bigotry, mixed with a call to emotion. Its part of an old strategy of dehumanizing one's opponent. With the belief that your opponent is less than human comes the self delusion that any actions against them are justified. Seen the same phenomenon over and over, in too many societies, of many different political/religious beliefs.
I learned it here.
How can bigotry be blind?...unless you think I am bigoted against EVERYONE but myself?
I say "Kill them all, let Allah sort them out!".
quote:I say "Kill them all, let Allah sort them out!".
Spoken like a good liberal.
So let me get this topic right.Alot of people believe Sarah Palin is responsible for this shooting? Is that correct? I think its Bush,s fault!
No Junior, a lot of people think that hate talk may have helped to spur this on, or if not, that there are other crazies out there who will be spurred on by hate speech. Hate speech comes from "regular" people on both the left and the right, but hate speech from people in the media, and especially from politicians who should know better, is what we are complaining about.
Just the loonie left think that Jr. Rational people don't think that way.quote:Originally posted by junior samples:
So let me get this topic right.Alot of people believe Sarah Palin is responsible for this shooting? Is that correct? I think its Bush,s fault!