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Originally posted by b50m:
Since Bill can never 'find' the questions we ask of him, I thought if we put all the questions in one thread, he will know to check here daily.

How about it Bill? A few that I could remember that you never answered.

Why do you hate the Catholic faith?


billie-jo hates the Catholic Church because it's the first Christian church.

billie can't disprove that fact, or the many other facts that aren't

that important to lie about. To say it's not in the Bible just isn't
good enough.

Kraven
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Originally posted by O No!:
Why is it OK for you to listen to your minister, but it isn't OK for Catholics to listen to their preists?

Why is it OK for Baptists to do readings during church services, but when Catholics do it, they are only doing it "by rote"?

And speaking of by rote, why are the Lord's Prayer and the Apostle's Creed OK, but the Rosary isn't "personal" enough?



O No,

billie knows it's OK, he can't say it's OK because his hate won't let him.

Hes been shot out of the saddle on every one of his lies, but to stop lying

would mean he's wrong.

Kraven
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Originally posted by themax:
Notice to all, Since Bill has not responded to me about being baptized for the REMISSION of sin.
AND

Not responded to Beternu teaching how one CAN FALL from grace and be lost thus nixing the once saved always saved position.

He has changed his mind and agrees with the teaching found in the Bible.


and he also believes Mary is the mother of God.
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quote:Bill ask:
"So, you are "attacking" because you feel you have been "attacked." When have I ever attacked you or been nasty to you?"
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Asking you a simple question isn't attacking. I think that's all I've done. But when you get snippy with me or start posting long replies filled with bible quotes it gets tiresome. Then you defend those posts by insinuating I'm somehow "afraid" to read them. Beternun can't make a post without going to his dictionary or thesaurus, and you can't make a post without filling it with bible quotes. I'd be interested too to see where I used OMG in any posts. You know who I mean by the "christians" that like to attack first with thinly disguised insults, then when they get it going they attack full out. I'm civil to anyone on here that is civil to me. And I give them the first "punch". You ask if I would insult my christian friends and I said no, I ask you if you told your Mormon friend his religion was a cult and you wouldn't answer. I also ask why YOU didn't capitilize god when talking about the Mormons, you ask the atheists why they didn't capitalize god when posting. See the hypocrisy?
Ill add this one, although it wasn't originally my question:

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Posted 19 December 2010 08:28 PM Hide Post
So, I guess we are back to the question someone else asked on another thread - If someone who does not believe in Bills God says OMG, should Bill (or any Christian) really take offense?

Perfect example here, if WINDSONG says OMG talking about his God, what business is it of Bills?

Captain

Prince,

If you are saying Bill is being picked on, you have missed many of his posts. He demands answers to his questions yet ignore those to him.

He is acting like a false prophet.

So Bill, from the personal attack thread that you skipped.

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Yes, baptism is necessary.



Bill, you have said many times before that baptism is just an outward expression to show the world you are a believer, not a necessary act.

You have called it 'works'. You have said sprinkling or dunking doesn't matter. You have said if you die and are not baptized but are 'saved' it doesn't matter.

So which do you believe, you must be baptized, you should be baptized, or it doesn't matter?
As I think back over my life experiences,i get a better understanding of Bill. As many in here know,I am retired from twenty years of service in there military.I retired twenty years ago. In all those years I met thousands of people.
Bill reminds me of a personality I met before. This personality is one that accepts something as true even when they dont know if it is or not. Now the Holy Ghost teaches all truth. When the HG starts prompting you about truth and you dont want to accept it, you cant fight with the HG. So you lash out at others and their beliefs with the silly notion that if you prove others wrong, it makes you right. But your spirit recognizes the truth even if you refuse to accept as truth in your mind.These people are in constant internal unrest. Their spirit recognizes that his own beliefs are untrue yet he refuses too listen to his own God given spirit. Not only does his spirit recognize the falseness of his own beliefs, BUT it recognizes TRUTHS he refuses to acknowledge. That explains why he so feverishly attacks Mormonism. He refuses to listen to the Holy Spirit of his God attempting to lead him in the direction of truth.
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Originally posted by WINDSONG:
As I think back over my life experiences,i get a better understanding of Bill. As many in here know,I am retired from twenty years of service in there military.I retired twenty years ago. In all those years I met thousands of people.
Bill reminds me of a personality I met before. This personality is one that accepts something as true even when they dont know if it is or not. Now the Holy Ghost teaches all truth. When the HG starts prompting you about truth and you dont want to accept it, you cant fight with the HG. So you lash out at others and their beliefs with the silly notion that if you prove others wrong, it makes you right. But your spirit recognizes the truth even if you refuse to accept as truth in your mind.These people are in constant internal unrest. Their spirit recognizes that his own beliefs are untrue yet he refuses too listen to his own God given spirit. Not only does his spirit recognize the falseness of his own beliefs, BUT it recognizes TRUTHS he refuses to acknowledge. That explains why he so feverishly attacks Mormonism. He refuses to listen to the Holy Spirit of his God attempting to lead him in the direction of truth.

Hi Dwight,

But, Mormonism does not recognize the Holy Spirit. You have a god who was an man just like you and me -- who then worked his way up the ladder to being god. And, this god has goddess wives.

You have the "committee of gods" who met to set in motion the creation.

You have a Jesus Christ who is a created being, not the preexisting deity -- and, who is also the spirit brother of Lucifer/Satan.

And, if you, Dwight, are a really good Mormon -- you, too, can be a god, have your goddess wives, and be given you own planet to populate.

Somehow, none of this seems to fit into Christianity. Therefore, my Friend, you are in a cult church.

So, since your church does not recognize the Holy Spirit -- why are you using Him in your attempt to denigrate me?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by b50m:
Bill, you have said many times before that baptism is just an outward expression to show the world you are a believer, not a necessary act. You have called it 'works'. You have said sprinkling or dunking doesn't matter. You have said if you die and are not baptized but are 'saved' it doesn't matter. So which do you believe, you must be baptized, you should be baptized, or it doesn't matter?

Hi B,

Happy you asked this question. It is true that no one is saved through or by baptism.

Ephesians 2:8-9, "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God -- not as a result of works, so that no one may boast."

Therefore, baptism cannot save anyone. However, Jesus Christ did leave us two ordinances -- baptism and communion -- that we should do AFTER we have become Christian believers. Both, you might say, fall into the category of being "fruit of our salvation" -- not the cause of our salvation.

Baptism we do as an outward expression of the inner change brought about when we were saved, indwelled by the Holy Spirit, and sealed by the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 1:13, 4:30). We follow Him in baptism to declare to the world that we are Christ Followers, saved believers.

Communion He asked us to do in remembrance of what He did for us. He died on the cross to offer eternal life to all people. We are to symbolically take His body and blood through the unleavened bread and juice, in remembrance of Him. This is a time for us to reflect upon what He did for us, what we owe Him; to reflect upon our own failures and sins as Christian believers -- and, to reflect upon what He is doing right now for us as He sits at the right hand of God the Father -- continually interceding for all Christian believers.

B, we cannot be saved by works. However, the fruit of our salvation should include not only baptism and communion; but, also other works of charity and love for our fellow man. If you look at the Ten Commandments, which He compressed into two -- the first four are our relationship with God; the last six are our relationship with our fellow man.

How should we be baptized? Well, the Bible does specify baptism by immersion. However, since we are not saved by or through baptism -- we will not lose our salvation if we are baptized by sprinkling. And, we will not lose our salvation if for some reason we cannot be baptized. But, a Christian should make every attempt to be baptized by immersion.

I pray that I have answered your questions sufficiently.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Bill you stated that the bible says we must be baptized and it says baptism by immersion. Then YOU say, but you dont have to be baptized but if you choose to, sprinkling is acceptable. You are clearly going against the teachings off your own bible. What god gives you the power and authority to change the teachings of the bible? You have not that power just as you have not the power to perform any of the life saving ordinances mentioned in the bible.
Also you need not bother telling me what I believe or what the doctrines of my church are, ive been a member over thirty five years and am well versed in them. If you go to my blog and read the section on MY PROFILE you may gather that I am not ignorant in such maters. Thank you.
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
Bill, if everyone that disagreed with you, or held different religious beliefs than you, or no beliefs at all were gone, what would you do here? Would you feel like your job was done and you'd leave too, or would you stay and make it your own little private church?


You mean it's not already his own private little church? Big Grin
Bill has answered one. He says the one need not be baptized to have life eternal.

Bill, that is not what the scriptures say, Peter, after speaking about Christ, saw that the people were "cut to the heart" and said,
"WHAT SHALL WE DO"

Peter told them to "REPENT everyone of you and be BAPTIZED in the name of JESUS CHRIST for the remission of sins.

That is really plain and clear.
He did not say believe and you will be saved. No, Peter told them to 1st REPENT and 2nd, BE BAPTIZED, only after this could they be saved.

How much plainer can it be?
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Originally posted by themax:
Bill has answered one. He says the one need not be baptized to have life eternal.

Bill, that is not what the scriptures say, Peter, after speaking about Christ, saw that the people were "cut to the heart" and said, "WHAT SHALL WE DO" Peter told them to "REPENT everyone of you and be BAPTIZED in the name of JESUS CHRIST for the remission of sins.

That is really plain and clear. He did not say believe and you will be saved. No, Peter told them to 1st REPENT and 2nd, BE BAPTIZED, only after this could they be saved. How much plainer can it be?

Hi Max,

Notice the chain of events: Repent; then, be baptized. When one repents, he turns from following the world and turns to be a Christ Follower. What happens when this occurs? In Ephesians 1:13 and 4:30 we are told that we are indwelled by the Holy Spirit and sealed by the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption, i.e., the day we die or are raptured.

Ephesians 2:8-9, "For by grace you have been saved -- through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God -- not as a result of works, so that no one may boast."

Max, notice the sequence in this Scripture passage. First, you have God's grace, next you are saved through faith. Do you see any baptism in there? Then, we read that it is "free gift" from God. And, then, we read that it is NOT a result of any WORKS, including baptism.

Now, let's look at the Scripture passage you mention: Acts 2:37-38, "Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, 'Brethren, what shall we do?' Peter said to them, 'Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.'"

Here, we are told to Repent, turn to follow Jesus -- then, be Baptized. What happens when one repents? You receive the Holy Spirit.

Ephesians 1:13, "In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the Gospel of your salvation -- having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise."

Does this say that "after being baptized" you were sealed in Him? No, it says "after believing" you were sealed in Him. And, Ephesians 4:30 tell us that we are sealed in Him UNTIL the day of redemption -- the day we die or are raptured.

Max, no one is saved through works; no one is saved through baptism. One is saved, by grace, through faith -- and then the fruit of that salvation is manifested in good works, two of which are following Him in baptism and remembering Him through communion.

Thank you for raising this question. I pray we all have a clearer picture of what Scripture teaches us regarding baptism and other works to honor the "free gift" of eternal life He has purchased for all who will believe and receive (John 1:12).

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Jennifer:
Bill, if everyone that disagreed with you, or held different religious beliefs than you, or no beliefs at all were gone, what would you do here? Would you feel like your job was done and you'd leave too, or would you stay and make it your own little private church?

Hi Jennifer,

Thank you for asking. First of all, I pray that all atheists, other non-believers, and those in false religions and cult churches -- do not leave the Religion Forum. How will we have a chance to share with you if you leave?

The main task given to all Christian believers (Matthew 28:18-20, Acts 1:8, Mark 16:15) is to share the Gospel of Jesus Christ with the world. If all our non-believing Friends walk away; how can we share with you?

On the other hand, I have often been in churches where everyone believed -- and we had a grand time of Christian fellowship. Christian believers strengthen one another through Christian fellowship. And, this gives us the knowledge, wisdom, and maturity to go into the world and share His Gospel with those who do not yet believe -- and with new believers and new seekers.

No, it will never be "Bill Gray's church" -- it will always be His church; for the church is merely the worldwide body of Christian believers. We are all members of the body of Christ, the church -- and we build one another up through Christian fellowship.

So, Jennifer, et al, please do not leave. Your questions and comments give us the opportunities to share God's Word -- with believers and non-believers on the Religion Forum. We need you. You need God. We have a job to finish.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Posted 20 December 2010 03:16 PM Hide Post
Bill, the Bible says it. Why in the world don't you believe it?
I just don't know how one can only choose what to believe.
Bill, I pray you will repent, and be baptized just as Peter told the masses long ago. Lest your soul will be lost, just as those who don't believe.

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Bill knows that the Bible says thaat Baptism saves us, but he just can't accept it.

1Pet 3:20 that aforetime were disobedient, when the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water:
1Pet 3:21 which also after a true likeness doth now save you, even baptism, not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the interrogation of a good conscience toward God, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ;
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I don't like the way this Bible puts things, I had rather have the NKJV but this is the one that my Son put on here.

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