I'm curious if anyone can name the 5 gods of Catholicism?
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come on, don't be shy. i'll give you a hint: Jesus is one. who are the other 4 gods?
The only ones I know of are the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
quote:Originally posted by peede coober:
The only ones I know of are the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Right you are peede, and the only
ones we need to know.
Obviously a setup for an attack on Catholicism and Christianity as a whole.
I don't want to play.
I don't want to play.
quote:Originally posted by peede coober:
The only ones I know of are the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
that's three. there are two more. come on guys and gals. this isn't a difficult question.
no, this isn't an attack. it's an exploration of what you claim to know versus what you actually know whether youre catholic or not.
ok, how about we name the FOUR gods of protestants?
anyone?
anyone?
quote:Originally posted by Unobtanium:
ok, how about we name the FOUR gods of atheist
Four gods? ok 1. Self 2.Darwin
3. any snot green dog that craps on your feet 4.jane goodall 5. me 6. if nothing were an entity
quote:Originally posted by Unobtanium:
ok, how about we name the FOUR gods of protestants?
anyone?
Greed
Envy
Wrath
Lust
quote:Originally posted by b50m:quote:Originally posted by Unobtanium:
ok, how about we name the FOUR gods of protestants?
anyone?
Greed
Envy
Wrath
Lust
nope. those are pretty much universal to believer and non alike. let (s)he who is without those cast the first stone!
the atheist contingent has politely stayed out of this for the time being but i'm sure one will come in and spoil the fun and spew the answers soon enough.
no, wait, i challenge my atheist friends to go ahead and answer. i bet even they won't be able to name all 5 catholic gods. come on, someone already named 3 of them for you!
quote:Originally posted by Unobtanium:
no, wait, i challenge my atheist friends to go ahead and answer. i bet even they won't be able to name all 5 catholic gods. come on, someone already named 3 of them for you!
Are you waiting for someone to say Mary and the Eucharist? We don't worsip Mary! However, the Eucharist is Jesus. So that much is true.
(We don't worship the Pope)
quote:Originally posted by House of David:
Are you waiting for someone to say Mary and the Eucharist? We don't worsip Mary! However, the Eucharist is Jesus. So that much is true.
bingo! there is number 4. i won't insist that you "worship" mary but you certainly pray to her as a goddess.... im not sure there is a difference. some examples here: http://www.ourladyweb.com/mary-prayers.html so she might be a "minor" god or demigod but there is no doubt that she is A god.
ok, one more to go. this one is the trickiest one.... and i may have given a hint there. this god is one that is common to most western religions including catholic and protestant but islam and a few others, too..
I've heard people use the phrase "Bible worshippers" ... I don't worship the Bible.
Islam has the Qu'ran, and I don't think they worship that....
Islam has the Qu'ran, and I don't think they worship that....
quote:Originally posted by Unobtanium:quote:Originally posted by House of David:
Are you waiting for someone to say Mary and the Eucharist? We don't worsip Mary! However, the Eucharist is Jesus. So that much is true.
bingo! there is number 4. i won't insist that you "worship" mary but you certainly pray to her as a goddess.... im not sure there is a difference. some examples here: http://www.ourladyweb.com/mary-prayers.html so she might be a "minor" god or demigod but there is no doubt that she is A god.
ok, one more to go. this one is the trickiest one.... and i may have given a hint there. this god is one that is common to most western religions including catholic and protestant but islam and a few others, too..
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You really don't know what your talking about, from start to finish, it look's
like some one crying out for help. help me help me
quote:you certainly pray to her as a goddess.... im not sure there is a difference. some examples here: http://www.ourladyweb.com/mary-prayers.html so she might be a "minor" god or demigod but there is no doubt that she is A god
No, she is not.
Whatever you are gearing up for, I can assure you that the people in the Catholic Church worship :
The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
Period. As HoD said, Jesus is present in the Holy Eucharist, so yes, we do worship and adore Him there. As well we should.
There is nothing more to add. Mary is not worshipped, nor are statues or "relics". We don't pray to Mary as a "goddess", but as the Mother of God, an intercessor.
jigsaw puzzles????
VP in what way is Mary NOT a god? She meets every definition you will find.
My atheist friends,take a guess. Just one more to go and you will have all 5 gods.
No, she's really not.
How did she respond during the Annunciation?
(paraphrase) "I am but a handmaiden of the Lord. Let it be done to me according to His Will".
She's not a God. She's a perpetual virgin, sinless intercessor, and the MOTHER of God. But not God.
How did she respond during the Annunciation?
(paraphrase) "I am but a handmaiden of the Lord. Let it be done to me according to His Will".
She's not a God. She's a perpetual virgin, sinless intercessor, and the MOTHER of God. But not God.
quote:Originally posted by House of David:
I've heard people use the phrase "Bible worshippers" ... I don't worship the Bible.
Islam has the Qu'ran, and I don't think they worship that....
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H.
That phrase doesn't apply to Catholics, but does
to some Protestants.
quote:Originally posted by Unobtanium:
VP in what way is Mary NOT a god? She meets every definition you will find.
UnoBrain
Think whatever you want to think, when you make statements
and ask question's like these, you look as foolish as they.
VP has already told you. You don't listen, just wait to talk.
De debbil?
nsns
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quote:Originally posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:
De debbil?
nsns
Why not?
Could no. 5 be Elmer Fudd?
Wine!
quote:Originally posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:
De debbil?
nsns
and we finally have a winnah! of course it would be an atheist who would guess correctly. they are the only ones not so blinded by faith that they cannot see the answer. yes, old beelzebub, the Trickster.
Let's recap: Father, son, holy ghost, mary, satan.
I'm still little confused at how VP can claim mary is not a god. She is prayed to. It be fervently believed that she sits at or near the Throne in heaven and intercedes on our behalf. She is the mother of god, for crying out loud.
no, of course she is not "the" god but is "a" god nonetheless just as Zeus sat at the top of the hierarchy of greek gods, then ahtena, apolo, ares, aphrodite and many other minor gods were responsible for other things.
and yes at the bottom is Old Snatch. not many worship him but as God is the God of gods, Jesus is the son of god, the holy spirit is . . . whatever the hell the holy spirit is, mary is the intercessor and Satan is the god of evil.
this is, of course, leaving out the hundreds
(thousands?) of saints and angels and demons - all who could meet the definition of "a god" but the Big Five makes a pretty impressive superteam.
im also leaving out the wife of the almighty himself, Asherah who is mentioned in the bible about 48 times.
hmm, i wonder home many other gods christians worship or may homage to in direct violation of the 1st commandment?
ok, perhaps it may be more accurate to call mary an "demigod" but that term would actually be more appropriate for jesus who was half human, half god . . . but he was also all god which sort of cancels out the half part . . . its so confusing.
It's either Satan or Richard Simmons.
I'm pretty sure about that.
I'm pretty sure about that.
Satan is a fallen angel, not a god.
Mary was human, not a god.
The other three you got right.
Mary was human, not a god.
The other three you got right.
Uno,
I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and presume that you are truly trying to understand the role of Mary in the Catholic Church.
Mary is the MOTHER of God. Yes, she is prayed to. But not as a "god". We do not believe that Mary or the Saints can answer prayer- but intercede to God on our behalf. We pray to Mary as a Holy Woman that was handpicked by God to carry and raise the Christ-child. We ask Mary and all the Saints to pray for us. We believe in ONE God, in 3 persons. Father, Son and Holy Spirit. We do not pray to Satan. Ever.
Jesus was not "halfman/half-God". He was FULLY HUMAN and FULLY DIVINE.
I hope that clears it up- peeps always have trouble with Mary- especially Marian Devotion- why not just take it as this: We beieve she sits with her Son in Heaven. We ask her to whisper in the ear of her Son.
If one believed she could hear prayers and GRANT them, then yes, I suppose that would make her a god-(albeit erroneously..) but we don't, and she's not.
Best,
Veep.
I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and presume that you are truly trying to understand the role of Mary in the Catholic Church.
Mary is the MOTHER of God. Yes, she is prayed to. But not as a "god". We do not believe that Mary or the Saints can answer prayer- but intercede to God on our behalf. We pray to Mary as a Holy Woman that was handpicked by God to carry and raise the Christ-child. We ask Mary and all the Saints to pray for us. We believe in ONE God, in 3 persons. Father, Son and Holy Spirit. We do not pray to Satan. Ever.
Jesus was not "halfman/half-God". He was FULLY HUMAN and FULLY DIVINE.
I hope that clears it up- peeps always have trouble with Mary- especially Marian Devotion- why not just take it as this: We beieve she sits with her Son in Heaven. We ask her to whisper in the ear of her Son.
If one believed she could hear prayers and GRANT them, then yes, I suppose that would make her a god-(albeit erroneously..) but we don't, and she's not.
Best,
Veep.
b50, it is very difficult for me to understand how you guys are defining "a" god.
i'm defining "god" as various beings conceived of as supernatural, immortal, and having special powers over the lives and affairs of people and the course of nature (they especially have a keen interest in the sex lives of humans but that is a different tangent).
this is a meaning that i imagine most rational people would accept. that is, after all, how we define all other gods of the past and present..
satan is the god of evil. in fact, he is even powerful than THE god himself. example, satan (according to this http://tinyurl.com/yarz4pz ) infiltrated the church itself and caused men who were moral, staunch defenders of god to suddenly become interested in the rumps and penises of little boys. what other than a "god" could possible have such tremendous powers over good men?
"satan is fallen angel" doesn't quite fly. well, that may even be the case but he was granted omniscient and omnipotent powers that are clearly equal to the powers of god himself . . . oooh, that raises an interesting delima: since satan exists as a god and only god himself could grant him that kind of power, then that means god allows satan to function - and obviously even CREATED satan - and is a necessary component of gods great scientific experiment to see if his creation is strong enough to overcome the temptations of the omnipotent devil.
here is an example of a prayer to the god mary: "O Virgin Mother,
In the depths of your heart you pondered the Life of the son you brought into the world. Give us your vision of Jesus and ask the Father to open our hearts, that we may always see his presence in our lives, and in the power of the Holy Spirit, bring us into the joy and peace of the kingdom, where Jesus is Lord forever and ever. Amen"
to if people prey to mary, ask her to intercede in their behalves and assuming she is successful in convincing jesus/god to answer those prayers, then how in the heck is she NOT a "god"?
i'm defining "god" as various beings conceived of as supernatural, immortal, and having special powers over the lives and affairs of people and the course of nature (they especially have a keen interest in the sex lives of humans but that is a different tangent).
this is a meaning that i imagine most rational people would accept. that is, after all, how we define all other gods of the past and present..
satan is the god of evil. in fact, he is even powerful than THE god himself. example, satan (according to this http://tinyurl.com/yarz4pz ) infiltrated the church itself and caused men who were moral, staunch defenders of god to suddenly become interested in the rumps and penises of little boys. what other than a "god" could possible have such tremendous powers over good men?
"satan is fallen angel" doesn't quite fly. well, that may even be the case but he was granted omniscient and omnipotent powers that are clearly equal to the powers of god himself . . . oooh, that raises an interesting delima: since satan exists as a god and only god himself could grant him that kind of power, then that means god allows satan to function - and obviously even CREATED satan - and is a necessary component of gods great scientific experiment to see if his creation is strong enough to overcome the temptations of the omnipotent devil.
here is an example of a prayer to the god mary: "O Virgin Mother,
In the depths of your heart you pondered the Life of the son you brought into the world. Give us your vision of Jesus and ask the Father to open our hearts, that we may always see his presence in our lives, and in the power of the Holy Spirit, bring us into the joy and peace of the kingdom, where Jesus is Lord forever and ever. Amen"
to if people prey to mary, ask her to intercede in their behalves and assuming she is successful in convincing jesus/god to answer those prayers, then how in the heck is she NOT a "god"?
I have seen bumper stickers that say: Can't find Jesus? Look for HIS MOTHER.
Emphasis theirs.
Unob has a good point.
Emphasis theirs.
Unob has a good point.
quote:, then how in the heck is she NOT a "god"?
BECAUSE SHE DOESN'T ANSWER PRAYERS!!!
All Glory to God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Mary is an intercessor.
quote:here is an example of a prayer to the god mary: "O Virgin Mother,
In the depths of your heart you pondered the Life of the son you brought into the world. Give us your vision of Jesus and ask the Father to open our hearts, that we may always see his presence in our lives, and in the power of the Holy Spirit, bring us into the joy and peace of the kingdom, where Jesus is Lord forever and ever. Amen"
YES! AMEN! And note that this prayer asks Mary to ASK THE FATHER TO OPEN OUR HEARTS. We don't ask her directly to open our hearts, because she does not answer prayers.
This clearly defines her role as an intercessor.
quote:Originally posted by vplee123:quote:, then how in the heck is she NOT a "god"?
BECAUSE SHE DOESN'T ANSWER PRAYERS!!!
All Glory to God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Mary is an intercessor.
In a previpus post you said, "We do not believe that Mary or the Saints can answer prayer- but intercede to God on our behalf."
i understand that but i'm not sure I see the difference. she definitely listens to prayers, according to you. but it sure seems to me that she answers them as well, albeit in an indirect manner through her son jesus. so, she responds (answers) your prayer by whispering in jesus' ear. that is a "god" (albeit a lesser one) by any standard i can possibly imagine.
Being non-Catholic, I'll take a shot.
The Catholics ask Mary to pass along their prayers to Jesus. Jesus may agree or decline.
Mary is simply another means of reaching Jesus.
If I am incorrect, shoot me down, VP, HOD, Inv.
The Catholics ask Mary to pass along their prayers to Jesus. Jesus may agree or decline.
Mary is simply another means of reaching Jesus.
If I am incorrect, shoot me down, VP, HOD, Inv.
quote:that is a "god" (albeit a lesser one) by any standard i can possibly imagine.
...throwing hands up in the air.....NO!
She's in no way a God, as per the Catholic Church.
I guess it depends on what your definition of "is" is...lol.
At any rate, she is a Holy woman, who hears our prayers and intercedes for us. As do the Saints. But we believe in ONE God. God the Father hears our prayers.
All prayers to Mary are in the Blessed and Holy Name of Jesus...
Yes- B50- praying to Mary is another way of reaching Jesus. The first biblical example of Mary's intercession is when she tells her Son that they are running out of wine, and then tells the people "Do whatever He tells you".
She intercedes, but He makes it happen.
quote:Originally posted by b50m:
Being non-Catholic, I'll take a shot.
The Catholics ask Mary to pass along their prayers to Jesus. Jesus may agree or decline.
Mary is simply another means of reaching Jesus.
If I am incorrect, shoot me down, VP, HOD, Inv.
i got that. got it from the very beginning. she is still "a" god by every definition i can find.
lets try this: define for me what a god is and is not.
Thor, Zeus, Apollo, Sol, Rah, Mithra, Horus, Xenu - ALL of them are "gods." in fact, they are the exact same "gods" that God himself said warned us not to worship or we would face His wrath.
supernatural beings that interfere (AND INTERCEDE) in the lives of humans. that is a "GOD" friends.
now, what am i missing, hos is mary NOT a god???
quote:But we believe in ONE God. God the Father hears our prayers.
so do you NOT believe in satan? how is he not "a" god?