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Hi to my Forum Friends,

On the Religion Forum, a Forum Friend began a new discussion titled "Pope Francis" by posting a photo of Pope Francis with the caption being a quote from the Pope: "Jesus is the gate opening up to salvation, a gate open to everyone."

And, I responded:


I agree with him.  However, I would have preferred he make his statement a wee bit more explicit, such as:

"Jesus is the ONLY Gate, the ONLY WAY, through which everyone may, and must, gain entrance into heaven."

 

This would leave NO doubt that salvation is through Jesus Christ ONLY -- and NOT through any church organization, or by any other means.   But, as a man, although I could never look to him as my leader --  I do admire him for what he has accomplished.

 

My Friend apparently took offense and replied, "That includes NOT through you and your twisted sense of Christianity?

I tell him:


My Christian faith comes from ONLY the Bible.   His comes from Roman Catholic Catechisms, Roman Catholic traditions and doctrines, the Apocrypha, other early Roman writings, and from the Bible.  How could he go wrong?  Okay!   I will stick with the Big 66 (the Bible).

 

At this point, an atheist Forum Friend enters the discussion with, "It took over 1600 years to write the bible.  Yet you think those 66 books, you seem to worship, aren't man made too?"

Yes, the Bible was written by 40 men living in various geographical locations, over a period of 1600 years -- and, yet the Bible has one main theme: Salvation for all who, by the grace of God, through faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ, will believe and receive His "paid in full" pardon for our sins.

Why is the Bible valid as the ONLY Holy Spirit inspired Written Word of God -- and other books are not?  Two key points validate the Bible:  (1) the Unity of its theme of salvation; although it was written over a long period of time, by 40 different men, many who never met, living in different locations and times.  And, (2) only these 66 books contain prophecy which is 100% accurate.   No other book can make this claim.

You might not appreciate the depth of that last statement.  In the 66 books of the Bible, there are over 1800 prophecies.  To date, every single prophecy has been fulfilled (proven by secular and religious writings) -- except Christ's return and the End Times.

How amazing is that?   A study was done by Professor of Science at Westmont College, Peter Stoner (past Chairman of the Departments of Mathematics and Astronomy at Pasadena City College; past Chairman of the Science Division, Westmont College; Professor Emeritus of Science, Westmont College), using 600 students in college Statistics classes.  Their project was to calculate the statistical probability of having only 8 prophecies about one man be fulfilled 100%.   In the Bible, there are over 300 prophecies about Jesus Christ.  These classes took only 8 of those prophecies -- prophecies of Jesus Christ which we know were fulfilled.

Using only eight prophecies, they estimated that the chance of one man fulfilling eight prophecies was one in 10^17.   That is 1 chance in -- 100,000,000,000,000,000.

Suppose that we take 10^17 silver dollars and lay them across the state of Texas.  They will cover the entire state of Texas two feet deep.  Mark one, only one, of those silver dollars and stir them thoroughly, all over the state.

Blindfold a man and allow him to travel as far as he wishes in the state of Texas, in any direction.  At some point, he must stop and pick up only one silver dollar -- and have that one be the marked silver dollar.  What chance would he have of getting the right one?

He would have the same chance of finding that marked silver dollar -- as the prophets would have had of writing eight prophecies and having them all come true in any one Man -- unless the prophecies were from God.

Look at 48 prophecies, which gives us the incredible number -- 10^157  (One plus one hundred fifty seven zeroes!)

Now, can you imagine the number of zeroes to fulfill 1800 prophecies?  Yet, there has not been even one failed prophecy in the Bible.

That is why the Bible is the valid and ONLY Holy Spirit inspired Written Word of God, His full revelation to man and the sole authority for salvation and to guide our daily Christian walk.

All the other books, down through the millennia, were written by various, well intentioned and most likely very knowledgeable men -- and can be viewed as good commentaries and history books --  but, not God's Word.

Commentaries and history books are valuable tools.  I use them all them time in my personal Bible studies and in my writings.  Many times when I am doing a study and need to get ideas to jump start my thinking, I will go to commentaries to see what these men have written, how they viewed that particular passage.

Most of those men are theology and Bible scholar giants who are much higher up the mountain of Bible knowledge than me.   So, maybe they have seen a golden nugget or two in that passage that I do not yet see.  I will dig in their well of knowledge, seeking those thoughts, those golden nuggets, to get me started.

But, in the end -- I go back to the Bible and the guidance of the Holy Spirit to more fully understand what the original Bible writer is telling us.

So, to my Forum Friends, I am not downplaying the value of books written by other men, nor am I denigrating their work.  But, we have to keep them in a proper perspective.  There is the Bible, the Holy Spirit inspired, Holy Spirit inerrant, literal Written Word of God.

And, there are other books which might be helpful in understanding what God has inspired to be written in His Bible.  When studying God's Word, we may wander on the paths left by knowledgeable men and women in their writings -- but, we ALWAYS come back to God's Bible for the final word.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

 

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billie said:

Yes, the Bible was written over a period of 1600 years.

This is a huge Lie. The OT was written over a period of thousands of years.

The NT was written during the first 100 to 115 years. The entire Bible came

together as an accepted work as it is today in the year 382, 393, 397 AD.

billie got his big 66 in the year 1611. It seems the bigger 73 has been out

longer. It's a matter of truth in history, not the hopeful wish of a liar.

I say liar because billie knows better but still willingly lies out of hate anyway.

 

quote:   Originally Posted by Nathan Evans:
The Church is the authority on salvationIt was the Church that decided the canon of Scripture.  The Bible is NOT the sole authority!  Nor does it claim to be!  Praised be Jesus forever!

Hi Nathan,

 

Not a problem.  You just keep standing straight and, in your robotic mindset, just keep repeating your Vatican mantra.  If that gives you security, I am happy for you.

 

However, I get my "eternal security" in Christ from the full revelation of God to man, the Bible.  And, I will continue to depend upon Christ to keep His promise, "He who believes HAS ETERNAL LIFE"  (John 6:47) -- and, "NO ONE can snatch them out of My hands, nor out of My Father's hands" (paraphrased from John 10:28-29).

 

So, my Friend, you keep following your Pope -- and I will continue to follow Jesus Christ.  I KNOW that I have "eternal life" -- DO YOU?

 

As a closing thought, have you noticed that when I share with you -- I use Scripture as the foundation of my statements?  And, all you do is to stand like a robot and repeat your Vatican mantra!

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
 

However, I get my "eternal security" in Christ from the full revelation of God to man, the Bible.  And, I will continue to depend upon Christ to keep His promise, "He who believes HAS ETERNAL LIFE"  (John 6:47) --

 

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You know billie, you really are stupid with the Jn 6: 47. Maybe Jesus also

promised you hot biscuits forever and ever and ever.

 

 

 

 

quote:   Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
quote:   Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

However, I get my "eternal security" in Christ from the full revelation of God to man, the Bible.  And, I will continue to depend upon Christ to keep His promise, "He who believes HAS ETERNAL LIFE"  (John 6:47) -- and, "NO ONE can snatch them out of My hands, nor out of My Father's hands" (paraphrased from John 10:28-29).

 

You know billie, you really are stupid with the Jn 6: 47.  Maybe Jesus also promised you hot biscuits forever and ever and ever.

Hi Vic,

 

Just curious.  What do YOU think Jesus meant when He told the people in Capernaum, "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life" (John 6:47)?

 

I realize that you are NOT allowed to interpret Scripture -- but surely you must have some idea what Jesus meant when He said this.   I would really like to hear your thoughts on this verse.

 

Also, while you are sharing -- what are your thoughts on John 10:27-29?

 

John 10:27-29, "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.  My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand."

What do YOU think Jesus meant when He said, "I give eternal life to them"?   What is eternal life?

 

What do you suppose Jesus meant when He said, "NO ONE can snatch them out of My hands" and when He said, "and NO ONE is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand"?   Who does NO ONE include?  And, who is excluded?   Any thoughts on that?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Nathan, my Friend,

 

All you are doing is quoting your Vatican given mantra.   You have not addressed any of the Scripture I suggested to you and Vic.   Like a good Buddhist or Hare Krishna, all you do is close your eyes and keep repeating your mantra.   You have your mantra -- and Vic has his childish name calling.

 

But, if that works for the two of you -- what can I say?  The Buddhist, Hare Krishna, and you seem happy.  Personally, I am happier when I am in God's Word -- the sole authority of salvation and Christian living.  At least then I know I am on solid ground and on my way to eternal life with Christ.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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The Church decided the canon of the bible. Clearly the bible is not the sole authority. There is plenty of truth out there besides the bible. There has to be an authority to interpret the bible. Orherwise you end up with 30,000 denominations, each following their own interpretation. I'll stick to the Catholic Church, as it decided the canon of scripture, is guided by the holy spirit, and has authority given it by Jesus! Praised be Jesus forever!
quote:   Originally Posted by Nathan Evans:
The Church decided the canon of the bible.  Clearly the bible is not the sole authority.  There is plenty of truth out there besides the bible. There has to be an authority to interpret the bible. Orherwise you end up with 30,000 denominations, each following their own interpretation. I'll stick to the Catholic Church, as it decided the canon of scripture, is guided by the holy spirit, and has authority given it by Jesus! Praised be Jesus forever!

Hi Nathan,

 

Once more, all you are doing is repeating, over and over, your Vatican Mantras -- with no Scriptural support.  I could stand beside a tall building and keep repeating, "I am taller than you!   I am taller than You!" -- until I am blue in the face.  But, that would not make me taller than the building -- other than in my own mind.  That is the power, and weakness, of mantras.  All they do is fool the person who keeps repeating them.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Nathan,

 

Once more, all you are doing is repeating, over and over, your Vatican Fundy Mantras -- with no Scriptural support.  I could stand beside a tall building and keep repeating, "I am taller than you!   I am taller than You!" -- until I am blue in the face.  But, that would not make me taller than the building -- other than in my own mind.  That is the power, and weakness, of mantras.  All they do is fool the person who keeps repeating them.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

 

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This will work a whole lot better for you, if you will stand in front of the mirror when you say it.

quote:   Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
quote:   Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Nathan,   Once more, all you are doing is repeating, over and over, your Vatican Fundy Mantras -- with no Scriptural support.  I could stand beside a tall building and keep repeating, "I am taller than you!   I am taller than You!" -- until I am blue in the face.  But, that would not make me taller than the building -- other than in my own mind.  That is the power, and weakness, of mantras.  All they do is fool the person who keeps repeating them.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,   Bill

This will work a whole lot better for you, if you will stand in front of the mirror when you say it.

Hi Crusty,

 

I am happy that you are beginning to understand some of what the Bible teaches!  In Acts 17:11, the apostle Paul teaches that every day we should be like the Bereans, and test what others are teaching, and what we are sharing, against Scripture.   So, anyone who shares from Scripture without testing that teaching against what Scripture teaches -- is a false teacher, or is following a false religion. 

 

That is why I keep suggesting to Nathan and all our Forum Friends that when they post their beliefs -- they should show us, in Scripture, where that teaching is supported.

 

Thank you for reminding all of us of this very important teaching from Paul.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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So, did you stand in front of the mirror this morning and say the following to yourself: 

 

"Once more, all you are doing is repeating, over and over, your  Fundy Mantras -- with no Scriptural support.  I could stand beside a tall building and keep repeating, "I am taller than you!   I am taller than You!" -- until I am blue in the face.  But, that would not make me taller than the building -- other than in my own mind.  That is the power, and weakness, of mantras.  All they do is fool the person who keeps repeating them."

 

If you didn't, your post makes no sense whatsoever.  If you did, did you listen to what you said?

There is no need for me to cite Scripture when I post something on what I believe. The only requirement is for me to speak the truth. Jesus said: I am the way, the truth, and the life. Not: I am the way, the bible, and the life.
And since the bible didn't come with a table of contents, there is clearly some other authority with the power to decide what went in the bible, and what did not. Thus the bible is not the sole authority on salvation! Praised be Jesus forever!
quote:   Originally Posted by Nathan Evans:
There is no need for me to cite Scripture when I post something on what I believe.  The only requirement is for me to speak the truth. Jesus said: I am the way, the truth, and the life.  Not: I am the way, the bible, and the life.

And since the bible didn't come with a table of contents, there is clearly some other authority with the power to decide what went in the bible, and what did notThus the bible is not the sole authority on salvation!  Praised be Jesus forever!

Hi Nathan,

 

You tell me, "There is no need for me to cite Scripture when I post something on what I believe."

 

So, if YOU tell us that the moon is made of green cheese -- we are supposed to believe that -- because YOU said it?   Okay!


Then, you tell us, "There is clearly some other authority with the power to decide what went in the bible, and what did not.  Thus the bible is not the sole authority on salvation! "

 

Now, you tell us that the Bible, which in total is inspired by God (2 Timothy 3:16-17) does NOT have His authority written into it?  So, basically, what you are saying is that the Bible, which is God's full revelation to man, which is God speaking to man, is NOT the full authority for salvation?  Therefore, God is NOT the full authority for salvation.

 

Just curious.  If, in your mind, God is NOT the full authority for salvation -- then, who or what, is the full and sole authority for salvation?   With you answer, it would carry much more weight if you will base your declaration upon Scripture -- or whatever writings you follow.

 

Nathan, my Friend, I believe I am beginning to see the difference between you and me.  I am brainwashed by God and I praise God for that.

 

While you seem to be brainwashed by the Vatican, by man.  Who or what do you praise for that?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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well of course it is Sacred Tradition, in addition to Sacred Scripture. Jesus told us to "HOLD FAST to traditions and teachings, as they have been passed down by writing, spoken word, etc."..

He also said "Not everything is written here". 

That's why the Apostolic base is critical for a fullness of Truth. 

 

Blessed be God forever. 

Hi VP,

 

Nowhere in the Bible is tradition called "sacred."   That only happens in the Roman Catholic church, for traditions and rituals are the foundation for that church.

 

The only true church is one which is based upon the Bible -- and the Bible only.  For only the Bible is God's Written Word.  Everything else is man's written word -- and is not Scripture.

 

What does Scripture say about the "traditions" of man?

 

Jesus did not seem to like tradition-based religions, for He told the Pharisees:

 

Mark 7:8-9, 13, ""Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.'  He was also saying to them, 'You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition.' . . . thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.' "

And, the apostle Paul told the people of Colossae:

 

Colossians 2:8, "See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ."

 

We all know that until all 66 books of the Bible were written and canonized under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit -- most teachings were oral.  But, these were oral teachings of God's Word -- not TRADITIONS.

 

Once the Bible was complete and all 66 books canonized; that has become our sole authority for salvation and for Christian living

 

And, based upon what the Bible teaches -- a person who has, by the grace of God, through faith in Jesus Christ (Ephesians 2:8-9) and His finished work on the cross (John 19:30) -- believed and received (John 1:12) Him as Lord and Savior -- that person HAS eternal life in Christ

 

Jesus promised it -- and the Bible assures us of His promise!

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Originally Posted by INVICTUS:

billie said:

Yes, the Bible was written over a period of 1600 years.

This is a huge Lie. The OT was written over a period of thousands of years.

The NT was written during the first 100 to 115 years. The entire Bible came

together as an accepted work as it is today in the year 382, 393, 397 AD.

billie got his big 66 in the year 1611. It seems the bigger 73 has been out

longer. It's a matter of truth in history, not the hopeful wish of a liar.

I say liar because billie knows better but still willingly lies out of hate anyway.

 

 

quote:  Originally Posted by INVICTUS:

billie said:  Yes, the Bible was written over a period of 1600 years.

 

This is a huge Lie.  The OT was written over a period of thousands of years.  The NT was written during the first 100 to 115 years.  The entire Bible came together as an accepted work as it is today in the year 382, 393, 397 AD.  billie got his big 66 in the year 1611.  It seems the bigger 73 has been out longer.  It's a matter of truth in history, not the hopeful wish of a liar.  I say liar because billie knows better but still willingly lies out of hate anyway.

Hi Vic,

 

Once again, you are just one more Roman Catholic making loud, bold statements -- with absolutely no proof to substantiate them.  So, just because  you can yell it loud -- we are supposed to believe it?   Okay!  And, the moon is made of green cheese.

 

However, I do feel for all my Roman Catholic Friends; for all you have to stand upon is what you were taught in Catechism, most of which is not based upon the 66 books of the Bible.

 

Where no proof exists -- it is impossible to show proof; so, you have to depend upon being the one who can yell the loudest.  I can sympathize with you; but, I cannot buy what you are selling.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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