The Book That Can't Be Published In America

And why can't it be published in America?


Muslims consider themselves entitled to "their" land from Morrocco to Indonesia, yet the "Zionists" are not entitled to a spot of land about the size of San Bernardino County, California?

Why?

Mostly because the Muslims fought for the land and took it from whoever was there before. They conquered it! It became theirs!

So, Israel, a legal state sanctioned by the UN, has defended itself and even taken a bit of other land it deems necessary to its security by the same means, only when Israel prevailed in battle, the battles were defensive.

That's how borders are drawn, and the Muslims, in their hatred of Jews, use Zionism as an excuse to ignore Israel's right to exist. The Muslim correlative of Zionism is Islamism. Between the Zionists and the Islamists, I tend to lean toward the Israelis who would prefer to be left alone in peace.

DF

Muslims also claim Spain, as it was once conquered by them. Will PBA will be posting for that next? Oh, yeah! Very few jooos in Spain, nevermind.

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Originally posted by DeepFat:
And why can't it be published in America?


Muslims consider themselves entitled to "their" land from Morrocco to Indonesia, yet the "Zionists" are not entitled to a spot of land about the size of San Bernardino County, California?

Why?

Mostly because the Muslims fought for the land and took it from whoever was there before. They conquered it! It became theirs!

So, Israel, a legal state sanctioned by the UN, has defended itself and even taken a bit of other land it deems necessary to its security by the same means, only when Israel prevailed in battle, the battles were defensive.

That's how borders are drawn, and the Muslims, in their hatred of Jews, use Zionism as an excuse to ignore Israel's right to exist. The Muslim correlative of Zionism is Islamism. Between the Zionists and the Islamists, I tend to lean toward the Israelis who would prefer to be left alone in peace.

DF

DF, We have American people that are muslims right here in the Shoals. Some are Doctors. As the article reads, What they hate is American foreign policy. And the underlying prime cause of that hatred is Congressional and White House support for the Zionist state of Israel right or wrong. But Israel’s American-endorsed arrogance of power and contempt for international law is only one of two factors in the equation that, over the past 60 years, has seen Arab and other Muslim hurt, anger and humliation turn to hatred on account of the conflict in and over Palestine. The other is the impotence of the regimes of the existing mainly corrupt and repressive Arab Order, regimes which, genereally speaking, are perceived by their masses to be, in effect, American-and-Zionist stooges.

My doctor is Iranian, as is my cardiologist. Don't even claim I hate muslims.

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Originally posted by interventor:
My doctor is Iranian, as is my cardiologist. Don't even claim I hate muslims.

If you're a God fearing man, then you should not hate anyone.

Israelis aggression, arrogance, threats and subjugation of it's neighbors and the region, it's expansionist policies and territorial demands and repression and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people has caused anger throughout the Mideast for decades.

The ancient state of Israel was destroyed by the Romans and the Jews expelled, ancient history. Since the 7th century the land has been Arab. Modern Israel was started by the European Zionists whom in the 1880s declared Palestine and came and took it with violence and terror.

The Arab majority and the Jewish minority had lived in peace until the Zionists claimed the land. Jews had escaped to many countries throughout the Mideast fleeing persecution in Europe. Spain had it's inquisition. The average Arab or Muslim person does not "claim Spain." We find that only in extremist rhetoric.

The average Arab and Muslim person does resent US and western domination of it's region.

The Arab League has agreed to peace and recognition of Israel if it will abide by International law. Israel refuses and continues it's practices. It is basically a western colony and outpost in the region. The Corporate Media protects Israel and portrays it as a victim. The corporate media does this for all US allies and corporate interests.

Suppose the UN decided to partition America back to Native Americans, what would be the American peoples reaction?

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Originally posted by interventor:
Muslims also claim Spain, as it was once conquered by them. Will PBA will be posting for that next? Oh, yeah! Very few jooos in Spain, nevermind.

Can you believe these idiots actually blame the jihad delcared by the Islamist on the Isrealis. I guess it's also Isreal that straps suicide bombs on the Islamic terrorist too.

That's right, SP.

Global warming, too.

DF

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Southern Patriot:

Can you believe these idiots actually blame the jihad delcared by the Islamist on the Isrealis. I guess it's also Isreal that straps suicide bombs on the Islamic terrorist too.


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As it has been explained in article posted by PBA and by me it is Israelis continued stealing land, repression and ethnic cleansing that inflames anger in the region, and throughout the world.

Israel is a made up country by 1880s Europeans who took the land that had been Arab since the 7th century. Ancient Israel had been destroyed by the Romans and the Jews expelled. They had lived in peace until the Zionist took the land by force.

The Arab League has agreed to peace if Israel will abide by International Law but Israel refuses.

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Originally posted by Pogo142:
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Southern Patriot:

Can you believe these idiots actually blame the jihad delcared by the Islamist on the Isrealis. I guess it's also Isreal that straps suicide bombs on the Islamic terrorist too.


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As it has been explained in article posted by PBA and by me it is Israelis continued stealing land, repression and ethnic cleansing that inflames anger in the region, and throughout the world.

Israel is a made up country by 1880s Europeans who took the land that had been Arab since the 7th century. Ancient Israel had been destroyed by the Romans and the Jews expelled. They had lived in peace until the Zionist took the land by force.

The Arab League has agreed to peace if Israel will abide by International Law but Israel refuses.

Just because you keep telling the same BS from the same wacko sites don't make it true. The Arabs haven't "lived in peace" dating back to before there were Arabs. You keep believing it though. You need some conspiracy to make your life worthwile

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Originally posted by DeepFat:
That's right, SP.

Global warming, too.

DF

Actually, now that I think about it, it has to be Bush's fault... right?

Any credible history book will tell you that Israel was destroyed by the Romans and the Jews expelled. Since the 7th century the Arabs have been the majority people and dominate culture.

What where the Crusades? Europe attacking the Arabs to take the "Holy Land."

Jews escaped European persecution by going to Arab and Muslim countries for centuries. The Arab majority and Jewish minority lived in peace together until the 1880s Europeans claimed the land and came and took it. The Jewish people that lived in Palestine opposed the Zionists plans.

Zionist terrorist groups were well known and documented at the time. The bombing of the King David hotel and the killing of the UN peace ambassador are two of the more famous terrorist attacks they carried out. They drove the British from Palestine.

The rewrite of history has been done by the Zionists and the US corporate media. IT does it for all US allies.

All countries and peoples throughout history have warred with each other. Europeans have been slaughtering each and the rest of the world for centuries also. European imperialism and colonialism has spread wars and misery to every continent. It has also waged two world wars and it was Bush and the US who attacked Iraq on lies.


And yes, Bush has totally ignored Global Warming and has led to worsening conditions.

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Originally posted by Pogo142:
Any credible history book will tell you that Israel was destroyed by the Romans and the Jews expelled. Since the 7th century the Arabs have been the majority people and dominate culture.

What where the Crusades? Europe attacking the Arabs to take the "Holy Land."

Jews escaped European persecution by going to Arab and Muslim countries for centuries. The Arab majority and Jewish minority lived in peace together until the 1880s Europeans claimed the land and came and took it. The Jewish people that lived in Palestine opposed the Zionists plans.

Zionist terrorist groups were well known and documented at the time. The bombing of the King David hotel and the killing of the UN peace ambassador are two of the more famous terrorist attacks they carried out. They drove the British from Palestine.

The rewrite of history has been done by the Zionists and the US corporate media. IT does it for all US allies.

All countries and peoples throughout history have warred with each other. Europeans have been slaughtering each and the rest of the world for centuries also. European imperialism and colonialism has spread wars and misery to every continent. It has also waged two world wars and it was Bush and the US who attacked Iraq on lies.


And yes, Bush has totally ignored Global Warming and has led to worsening conditions.

It seems to me based on this site
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_history
that the arabs have been at war with the rest of the world since Mohammed. You can't argue with that one.

As far as your crap about invading Iraq... Iraq was in violation of multiple parts of the cease fire they signed after the first Gulf War. You notice that it's called a "cease fire" not a peace agreement. That means (I'll make it simple for you) that if you don't hold up your end of the cease fire we can start shooting at you again. We didn't need ANY other excuse to go after Iraq. I wish that GWB had never mentioned WMD's. All he needed to do is go with the fact that Iraq was a state sponser of terror and in violation of the 1991 cease fire.

As I say the Europeans have been at war with each other and the rest of the world since the beginning of recorded history. Including Two World Wars.

The US also has a history of aggression, wars, ethnic cleanisng and imperialism.

The Iraq War was illegal and not sanctioned by the UN, which sanctioned the first Gulf War.

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Originally posted by Pogo142:
As I say the Europeans have been at war with each other and the rest of the world since the beginning of recorded history. Including Two World Wars.

The US also has a history of aggression, wars, ethnic cleanisng and imperialism.

The Iraq War was illegal and not sanctioned by the UN, which sanctioned the first Gulf War.

Last time I checked the U.S. is a soverign nation. We don't need the UN to sanction ANYTHING we do.

Sounds like that famous line from a movie, "We don't need no stinkin badges,"

The US is a member of the UN and bound by it's laws. Wars of aggression were part of the Nuremberg Trials. All countries are bound by International Law. Typical hypocrisy of right wingers, Iraq and Iran are subject to the UN laws but not the US.

In 1945 the "civilized" people of the world decided to outlaw wars of aggression.

The point of my post is the US attacked Iran for no reason, or made up reasons, better known as lies, to steal their oil.

Our propaganda tries to paint the Arabs as a people who are different then us and have always warred when the West has always warred also. They do that so we will support their wars for power and profits.

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The point of my post is the US attacked Iran for no reason, or made up reasons, better known as lies, to steal their oil.

Violation of treaties is a pretty good reason. Removing a dictator who slaughtered thousands of people is a great reason. Yes, oil was probably an underlying factor. Who cares. Saddam can't kill anymore people where he is now.

Personally, I'd rather stay out of the mid east, build refineries and drill for oil domestically. Keep a very strong military, mind our own business, but let it be known that any country that attacks will be obliterated.

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Originally posted by Pogo142:
Sounds like that famous line from a movie, "We don't need no stinkin badges,"

The US is a member of the UN and bound by it's laws. Wars of aggression were part of the Nuremberg Trials. All countries are bound by International Law. Typical hypocrisy of right wingers, Iraq and Iran are subject to the UN laws but not the US.

In 1945 the "civilized" people of the world decided to outlaw wars of aggression.

The point of my post is the US attacked Iran for no reason, or made up reasons, better known as lies, to steal their oil.

Our propaganda tries to paint the Arabs as a people who are different then us and have always warred when the West has always warred also. They do that so we will support their wars for power and profits.

Iraq was in clear violation of the cease fire they signed in 1991. The US was well within its rights to resume combat operations based on those violations alone. No need for any "aproval" from the UN.

[Iraq was in clear violation of the cease fire they signed in 1991. The US was well within its rights to resume combat operations based on those violations alone]

and yet the man responsible for the murder of 3000 innocent Americans is STILL a free man.
What a great defense of OUR OWN people!

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Originally posted by smurph:
[Iraq was in clear violation of the cease fire they signed in 1991. The US was well within its rights to resume combat operations based on those violations alone]

and yet the man responsible for the murder of 3000 innocent Americans is STILL a free man.
What a great defense of OUR OWN people!

Do you realy think were aren't trying to figure out which rat hole OBL is hiding in in the greater Afgan-Pakistan area? On second thought, don't answer that, I already know your answer.

As an aside, there are many fronts in the GWOT. Iraq is just one of them.

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Do you realy think were aren't trying to figure out which rat hole OBL is hiding in in the greater Afgan-Pakistan area?

Seriously explain to me just HOW effective our country can actually carry out this search with our ongoing war in Iraq sapping our military,sapping our monies, and now the threats of war with Iran? Our country has lost the ability to focus. We have become a country so divided by lefties, righties, and BS thrown into the mix.
JMHO opnion but to make a world statement of power and decisiveness would have been to stay the main course until Bin Ladin was found and brought to justice,not scathing about in so many directions leaving our country so vunerable to the hardship being presented to military and finacial stats.

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Originally posted by smurph:

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Do you realy think were aren't trying to figure out which rat hole OBL is hiding in in the greater Afgan-Pakistan area?

Seriously explain to me just HOW effective our country can actually carry out this search with our ongoing war in Iraq sapping our military,sapping our monies, and now the threats of war with Iran? Our country has lost the ability to focus. We have become a country so divided by lefties, righties, and BS thrown into the mix.
JMHO opnion but to make a world statement of power and decisiveness would have been to stay the main course until Bin Ladin was found and brought to justice,not scathing about in so many directions leaving our country so vunerable to the hardship being presented to military and finacial stats.

You can't send heavy troops into those mountains. The only type troops you can send there are small units of special ops guys. We may NEVER find him. There are literaly thousands of places he could hide in those mountains. We came a grenade drop from never finding Saddam. If that Soldier had dropped the grenade he had in his hand into the foxhole Saddam was in, he would be just as dead, we just wouldn't know it.

US didn't care about Saddam's repression and atrocities in the 80's when he was committing some of the worst of them.

The first Gulf War was sanctioned by the UN and consisted of a force representing the UN. It was led by the US. Bush Sr was interested in getting US bases in the region but that's another story.

It was with the UN the treaty was signed and Saddam did fulfill his treaty obligations.
UN weapons inspectors declared his WMD program destroyed and he was paying reparations through the profits of the Oil for Food program.

The US has downgraded the and I believe closed the office that was searching for bin Laden. AS the war in Iraq is drains researchers and men Bush threatens and prepares to attack Iran while the Taliban is growing and winning in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

The wars and US involvment in the region has always been about getting control of the oil. Had Saddam agreed to let US bases in Iraq and privitize the oil he would still be in power today.

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Originally posted by Pogo142:
US didn't care about Saddam's repression and atrocities in the 80's when he was committing some of the worst of them.

The first Gulf War was sanctioned by the UN and consisted of a force representing the UN. It was led by the US. Bush Sr was interested in getting US bases in the region but that's another story.

It was with the UN the treaty was signed and Saddam did fulfill his treaty obligations.
UN weapons inspectors declared his WMD program destroyed and he was paying reparations through the profits of the Oil for Food program.

The US has downgraded the and I believe closed the office that was searching for bin Laden. AS the war in Iraq is drains researchers and men Bush threatens and prepares to attack Iran while the Taliban is growing and winning in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

The wars and US involvment in the region has always been about getting control of the oil. Had Saddam agreed to let US bases in Iraq and privitize the oil he would still be in power today.

Lets see,

1. Saddam wasn't paying "reparations" with the oil for food money, he was paying the UN, france, germany, russia .....
2. I don't recall Bush "threatening" and attack on Iran. I do know that no option is off the table when it comes to military action. We always keep our options open.
3. Have you ever heard of a "No fly zone"? Go do a little research before you say "Sadddam was fulfill his treaty obligations". You might want to look again concernign how well the inspection process was going.
4. If Bush SR wanted bases in Iraq, he would have had them in 1991.
5. Are you EVER going to get beyond "its all about the oil"?
6. I didn't know we had an "office" looking for Bin Laden? I know we have spec ops guys looking for him.

We didn't attack Iraq because of the Oil for Food program or the "No Fly Zone." We invaded and occupied it because Bush claimed, contrary to the evidence, that Saddam had WMD and a connection to al Qaeda.

The money from the Oil for Food program never touched Saddam's hands. It went directly to the UN comission that over swa the program, of which the US was a memeber. They paid and I believe may still pay Kuwait reperations for the oil wells he set ablaze and the destruction from his invasion. The payments were made.

Bush threatens to attack Iran and is making preparations for the attack. He has sent US ships off the coast of Iran and directed the military to prepare for the attack.

The "No Fly Zone" was not UN sanctioned but imposed by the US and used to bomb Iraq weekly. It was basically set up over the Kurdish terrirtory. It was illegal.

Bush Sr has stated, and so did Cheney, and Brent Scrowcroft I believe it was, why they did not go into Iraq. It was because they saw what would happen, as we are seeing today. They placed the bases in Saudi Arabia. Also the UN mandate did not apply to an invasion of Iraq.

The war is about oil and has always been. It's why the law giving the oil corporations huge profits and partnership of Iraqi Oil is one of the major "Bench Marks" set by Bush and Congress.

The US had a special office to search for bin Laden which it closed and even has downgraded him as a threat. Do a search for it. Meanwhile bin Laden and al Qaeda are growing while our troops and resources are wasted in Iraq.

It's all about Oil and has always been about Oil.