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The Case Against George W. Bush :

With prominent Republican Senators speaking out against a scandal-plagued White House, talk of impeachment has moved from the margins to the mainstream. That may seem politically far-fetched, but in fact, there is a strong case to be made.
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With prominent Republican Senators speaking out against a scandal-plagued White House, talk of impeachment has moved from the margins to the mainstream. That may seem politically far-fetched, but in fact, there is a strong case to be made.<< >. Today after seeing the GaG president say that he would veto what he calls the pork bills from this congress my thought's are of Impeachment and imprisonment for bush, where as some Democrats think that it is a waste of time and money.

bush is still trying to bully Democrats.

Democrats need to send him a message like Nancy did today but be more assertive.

Impeach him now, before he and Cheney start's another war.
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Originally posted by stephanie:
pba already has 3 other threads going with this same topic and close to the same source posted.... we know you want impeached -- we get it...just probably not gonna happen...
I have a house for sale Stephanie, I am asking 230 thousand dollars for it. I am not going to get 230 grand, and I know it, but I will take 190. BUSH NEEDS TO BE REIGNED IN. Starting Impeachment Proceedings Might just do it. He is already showing signs of backing away from his CONQUER THE WORLD ATTITUDE.
He does not need to be impeached, he needs to see a credible threat that he will be impeached. Just like Iraq did not need to be invaded to open the doors to inspectors.
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
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Originally posted by stephanie:
pba already has 3 other threads going with this same topic and close to the same source posted.... we know you want impeached -- we get it...just probably not gonna happen...
I have a house for sale Stephanie, I am asking 230 thousand dollars for it. I am not going to get 230 grand, and I know it, but I will take 190. BUSH NEEDS TO BE REIGNED IN. Starting Impeachment Proceedings Might just do it. He is already showing signs of backing away from his CONQUER THE WORLD ATTITUDE.
He does not need to be impeached, he needs to see a credible threat that he will be impeached. Just like Iraq did not need to be invaded to open the doors to inspectors.


Ed, I still don't understand where you come up with GWB wanting to "conquer the world"? If it's just because we are in Iraq and Afganistan chasing terrorist, I don't think that backs up what you are saying.
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by stephanie:
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Ed, I still don't understand where you come up with GWB wanting to "conquer the world"? If it's just because we are in Iraq and Afganistan chasing terrorist, I don't think that backs up what you are saying.


I don't believe he wants to "conquer the world" , just the countries that do not give exclusive oil contracts to American owned, Bush backing oil companies.
Ed, yes he does need to be reigned in. I was in hopes that the 2006 election would humble him some, but he seems hell bent to continue on destroying this country, and I am beginning to change my mind to favor impeachment. I held the same position as Bradshawbruin for a long while,thinking that the strain would hurt our nation, but now-- maybe not so much.
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Originally posted by excelman:
Ed, yes he does need to be reigned in. I was in hopes that the 2006 election would humble him some, but he seems hell bent to continue on destroying this country, and I am beginning to change my mind to favor impeachment. I held the same position as Bradshawbruin for a long while,thinking that the strain would hurt our nation, but now-- maybe not so much.
I have been, and may still be, in the same position regarding Impeachment. It is an act that nullifies the votes of more than half the people. I have always thought the threat of impeachment was supposed to be a deterrent to criminal behavior in public office. But it looks like there are exceptions to the norm. Bush was supported by the voters, He was supported in the war on terror by the world, until his war on terror became a war of conquest.
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
Ed, I still don't understand where you come up with GWB wanting to "conquer the world"? If it's just because we are in Iraq and Afganistan chasing terrorist, I don't think that backs up what you are saying.
I will refer you again to the PNAC and the Doctrine of Domination, or what would better be called the Bush Doctrine.

Dick Cheney, Jeb Bush, Paul Wolfowitz, Donald Rumsfeld and Richard Pearl are all signers of the Project for the New American Century Statement of Principals.
If you have NOT read that document, there is no way you could understand my position. If you agree with the document's conclusions and recommendations, I consider you an enemy of the United States and the World.
I find your position on most issues in line with the recommendations of the PNAC. If you want to defend the recommendations of that document, and the philosophy of Leo Strauss, you have the right to. But the least you could do is find out exactly what, and why, you are standing where you do.
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by stephanie:
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Ed, I still don't understand where you come up with GWB wanting to "conquer the world"? If it's just because we are in Iraq and Afganistan chasing terrorist, I don't think that backs up what you are saying.


I don't believe he wants to "conquer the world" , just the countries that do not give exclusive oil contracts to American owned, Bush backing oil companies.
Conquer might be too strong a word. Conquest is only one step above Dominating. But, I will continue to use Conquest instead of Dominate. My reasoning is personal. No one will "dominate" me unless I surrender. I might allow domination willingly, but if I am not willing, Domination becomes Conquest.
This burns me up......

General tried to warn Bush about Tillman

For weeks after his death, the
Pentagon maintained that Pat Tillman was killed in an enemy ambush, even after a top general tried to warn
President Bush that the NFL star-turned-soldier likely died by friendly fire, according to a memo obtained by The Associated Press.
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In the memo sent to a superior officer seven days after Tillman's death, Lt. Gen. Stanley McChrystal warned that the evidence strongly pointed to friendly fire and the nation's leaders risked embarrassing themselves if they publicly said otherwise.

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And below is the clincher.
Veteran Stan Goff investigates. The ugly truth rears it's head. And people wonder why Tillman's family is livid???

If I was member of Tillman's family, I wouldn't rest until the truth came out. He deserves that much at least.
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Originally posted by miamizsun:
This burns me up......

General tried to warn Bush about Tillman

For weeks after his death, the
Pentagon maintained that Pat Tillman was killed in an enemy ambush, even after a top general tried to warn
President Bush that the NFL star-turned-soldier likely died by friendly fire, according to a memo obtained by The Associated Press.
ADVERTISEMENT

In the memo sent to a superior officer seven days after Tillman's death, Lt. Gen. Stanley McChrystal warned that the evidence strongly pointed to friendly fire and the nation's leaders risked embarrassing themselves if they publicly said otherwise.

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And below is the clincher.
Veteran Stan Goff investigates. The ugly truth rears it's head. And people wonder why Tillman's family is livid???

If I was member of Tillman's family, I wouldn't rest until the truth came out. He deserves that much at least.
Same kind of story comes from the Jessica Lynch Capture.

Truth is the first Casualty of war.

British Marines, held by Iran. TRUTH IS SUFFERING. Somebody "official" is not telling the true facts in that incident.
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Originally posted by excelman:
Ed, yes he does need to be reigned in. I was in hopes that the 2006 election would humble him some, but he seems hell bent to continue on destroying this country, and I am beginning to change my mind to favor impeachment. I held the same position as Bradshawbruin for a long while,thinking that the strain would hurt our nation, but now-- maybe not so much.
excelman, I want to expand on my first response to this comment of yours. I agree with you, and going to the subject of this thread, I want to quote some of what is in the article posted.
Some of the initial reaction on the thread said that there is no grounds for impeachment because no crime had been committed.
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The framers of the U.S. Constitution knew that despite powerful checks, presidents might still abuse their powers and damage the country’s democracy, so they created impeachment as the ultimate safeguard. Constitutional grounds for impeachment are “treason, bribery or other high crimes and misdemeanors.” During Nixon’s impeachment, the House Judiciary Committee determined that abuses did not have to violate the criminal code to meet this test. They simply needed to be, as the framers said in constitutional debates, “great and dangerous offenses that subvert the Constitution.” Several of the president’s actions already qualify.
I have inferred that others think the President is within his power as Commander in Chief to make all the decisions about use of the military without any approval.
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The Constitution plainly states the president shall “take care that the laws be faithfully executed.” The president must obey and uphold the law, not take it into his own hands. Case law on this is clear. When during the Korean War President Truman wanted to seize U.S. steel mills to keep them running despite a strike, the Supreme Court said no, noting in its decision that the president was commander in chief of the Army and Navy, not the country.
I believe that this conclusion is correct, and I support it:
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That’s why the strongest political ground for impeachment isn’t Bush’s illegal wiretapping program, but the fact that the country was driven into war in Iraq—which most Americans now view as a disastrous mistake—under false pretenses. The framers deliberately gave Congress war-making powers because the momentous decision to go to war should be reached only after the fullest consideration.
These are not the only reasons I am moving toward support of impeachment, but they are good ones.
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
Ed, I still don't understand where you come up with GWB wanting to "conquer the world"? If it's just because we are in Iraq and Afganistan chasing terrorist, I don't think that backs up what you are saying.
I will refer you again to the PNAC and the Doctrine of Domination, or what would better be called the Bush Doctrine.

Dick Cheney, Jeb Bush, Paul Wolfowitz, Donald Rumsfeld and Richard Pearl are all signers of the Project for the New American Century Statement of Principals.
If you have NOT read that document, there is no way you could understand my position. If you agree with the document's conclusions and recommendations, I consider you an enemy of the United States and the World.
I find your position on most issues in line with the recommendations of the PNAC. If you want to defend the recommendations of that document, and the philosophy of Leo Strauss, you have the right to. But the least you could do is find out exactly what, and why, you are standing where you do.


I have read the document. I also know it is 10 years old and nothing ever happen with it. If this is the best you can do to support GWB wanting to "conquer the world" then you have a less than weak argument.
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
Ed, I still don't understand where you come up with GWB wanting to "conquer the world"? If it's just because we are in Iraq and Afganistan chasing terrorist, I don't think that backs up what you are saying.
I will refer you again to the PNAC and the Doctrine of Domination, or what would better be called the Bush Doctrine.

Dick Cheney, Jeb Bush, Paul Wolfowitz, Donald Rumsfeld and Richard Pearl are all signers of the Project for the New American Century Statement of Principals.
If you have NOT read that document, there is no way you could understand my position. If you agree with the document's conclusions and recommendations, I consider you an enemy of the United States and the World.
I find your position on most issues in line with the recommendations of the PNAC. If you want to defend the recommendations of that document, and the philosophy of Leo Strauss, you have the right to. But the least you could do is find out exactly what, and why, you are standing where you do.


I have read the document. I also know it is 10 years old and nothing ever happen with it. If this is the best you can do to support GWB wanting to "conquer the world" then you have a less than weak argument.
I am prohibited by forum etiquette from expressing my opinion of you in a manner I would find Satisfying, Therefore I will With hold any comment regarding my judgment concerning your intelligence or ability to comprehend the realities of life in the fast lane.

It was signed by THE PRESENT VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. THE FORMER AND RECENT SECRETARY OF DEFENSE OF THE UNITED STATES, THE BROTHER OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, AND WAS PRESENTED IN ALMOST WHOLE FORM AS THE BUSH DOCTRINE IN SEPTEMBER OF 2002.

Your comment regarding its age is IMBECILIC. Your Assessment that "nothing ever happen with it" is not only ungrammatical, but totally incorrect.

I think I slipped, Is "Imbecilic" impolite?
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
Ed, I still don't understand where you come up with GWB wanting to "conquer the world"? If it's just because we are in Iraq and Afganistan chasing terrorist, I don't think that backs up what you are saying.
I will refer you again to the PNAC and the Doctrine of Domination, or what would better be called the Bush Doctrine.

Dick Cheney, Jeb Bush, Paul Wolfowitz, Donald Rumsfeld and Richard Pearl are all signers of the Project for the New American Century Statement of Principals.
If you have NOT read that document, there is no way you could understand my position. If you agree with the document's conclusions and recommendations, I consider you an enemy of the United States and the World.
I find your position on most issues in line with the recommendations of the PNAC. If you want to defend the recommendations of that document, and the philosophy of Leo Strauss, you have the right to. But the least you could do is find out exactly what, and why, you are standing where you do.


I have read the document. I also know it is 10 years old and nothing ever happen with it. If this is the best you can do to support GWB wanting to "conquer the world" then you have a less than weak argument.
I am prohibited by forum etiquette from expressing my opinion of you in a manner I would find Satisfying, Therefore I will With hold any comment regarding my judgment concerning your intelligence or ability to comprehend the realities of life in the fast lane.

It was signed by THE PRESENT VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. THE FORMER AND RECENT SECRETARY OF DEFENSE OF THE UNITED STATES, THE BROTHER OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, AND WAS PRESENTED IN ALMOST WHOLE FORM AS THE BUSH DOCTRINE IN SEPTEMBER OF 2002.

Your comment regarding its age is IMBECILIC. Your Assessment that "nothing ever happen with it" is not only ungrammatical, but totally incorrect.

I think I slipped, Is "Imbecilic" impolite?


You are entitled to think whatever you will and I will not stupe to your level of beligerence. You look for anything possible that "might" discredit GWB. You troll the left wing blog sites and left wing "news" sites looking for any garbage that might forward your agenda. You are welcome to do that. It is a free country. I am also free to believe you are full of the excrement that comes from a male cow. You go on believing what you believe and I will go on believing what I believe. I live in the real world and you live in the fantasy land of "GWB is Hitler". The two will never cross paths of agreement.
As far as GWB being discredited... I think HE, his family and his apointee's as well as his VP has already taken care of that....

His credibility as a leader is slim to none right now...

I will just be glad when he is gone, although I detest the fact that my kids, my grandkids, their kids and kids to follow will be paying for his "credibility" for the rest of THEIR lives... That is the saddest of all... even the unborn, and the "not thought of yet" or the "soon to be in the population" kidlets will pay out the nose for the mistakes made these last five years.... Frowner
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Originally posted by stephanie:
pba already has 3 other threads going with this same topic and close to the same source posted.... we know you want impeached -- we get it...just probably not gonna happen...


Not only is it NOT going to happen... I don't WANT it to happen. I am not a Bush fan, everyone knows that... but CHENEY???? NO WAY!!! We don't even know what BAD is unless CHENEY got into power...

GWB will be gone soon enough, just leave it be, maybe somewhere deep inside of him, his Christianity will kick in and he will FINALLY do the RIGHT thing for our Country... I pray so, anyway!!!
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by EdEKit:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
Ed, I still don't understand where you come up with GWB wanting to "conquer the world"? <SNIP>.
I will refer you again to the PNAC and the Doctrine of Domination, or what would better be called the Bush Doctrine. <SNIP>
It was signed by THE PRESENT VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. THE FORMER AND RECENT SECRETARY OF DEFENSE OF THE UNITED STATES, THE BROTHER OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, AND WAS PRESENTED IN ALMOST WHOLE FORM AS THE BUSH DOCTRINE IN SEPTEMBER OF 2002.
<SNIP>

You are entitled to think whatever you will and I will not stupe to your level of beligerence. You look for anything possible that "might" discredit GWB. You troll the left wing blog sites and left wing "news" sites looking for any garbage that might forward your agenda. You are welcome to do that. It is a free country. I am also free to believe you are full of the excrement that comes from a male cow. You go on believing what you believe and I will go on believing what I believe. I live in the real world and you live in the fantasy land of "GWB is Hitler". The two will never cross paths of agreement.
Of course I do, I seek out the evidence that bolsters my contention that Bush and Company are out to dominate the World. They say they seek US Dominance of the World, They say that they will support that Dominance with Military Power.
Conservatives say people must be educated to be able to work in a technological economy.
They say that if you want your child to succeed in a technological society you must teach him to work in technological industries.
They own the industries you work for..
YOU producee the goods and services those inudstries sell. They distribute the profits of those industries. Some of what you produce they "give" back to you in the form of wages. They KEEP the rest of what you produce.
They Tell YOU that if you want your child to be able to work in those industries YOU should pay for the child to be trained to work in those industries from the wages they pay you for working in those industries. They say they own the product of YOUR work, and they say they create the jobs YOU do.
YOU Believe Them, and agree to use some of what they return to you from your labor to pay to have your child taught to keep the system working for THEIR benefit..

They tell you that "terrorists" are trying to destroy the company they own, you must pay to hire and deploy warriors to destroy the terrorists. If you Don't, all that money YOU earned working for that company will stop coming, and YOU and YOUR children will live like the families of the terrorists live. They tell you that the energy needed for you to have a job has to belong to them so you can keep making them rich. That energy already belongs to someone else. They say we cannot afford to buy the energy, so let's go conquer the people who have the energy, and then it will be ours, (but they don't mean yours and theirs, they mean theirs, even though your children did all the hard work of stealing it.)
And YOU go along with it. I am surprised that I have enough respect for you to even bother insulting you, let alone making the insult so mild.

THERE IS NONE SO BLIND AS HE WHO WILL NOT SEE.
"I freed a thousand slaves I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves."
Harriet Tubman

I will continue to look for facts, and examples of how the Bush administration, and the Neo Conservatives, are telling you one thing and doing another.
"I would fight for my liberty so long as my strength lasted, and if the time came for me to go, the Lord would let them take me."
Harriet Tubman

American Friends Service Committee Wage Peace Campaign.
"Quakers almost as good as colored. They call themselves friends and you can trust them every time."
Harriet Tubman
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by EdEKit:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
Ed, I still don't understand where you come up with GWB wanting to "conquer the world"? <SNIP>.
I will refer you again to the PNAC and the Doctrine of Domination, or what would better be called the Bush Doctrine. <SNIP>
It was signed by THE PRESENT VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. THE FORMER AND RECENT SECRETARY OF DEFENSE OF THE UNITED STATES, THE BROTHER OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, AND WAS PRESENTED IN ALMOST WHOLE FORM AS THE BUSH DOCTRINE IN SEPTEMBER OF 2002.
<SNIP>

You are entitled to think whatever you will and I will not stupe to your level of beligerence. You look for anything possible that "might" discredit GWB. You troll the left wing blog sites and left wing "news" sites looking for any garbage that might forward your agenda. You are welcome to do that. It is a free country. I am also free to believe you are full of the excrement that comes from a male cow. You go on believing what you believe and I will go on believing what I believe. I live in the real world and you live in the fantasy land of "GWB is Hitler". The two will never cross paths of agreement.
Of course I do, I seek out the evidence that bolsters my contention that Bush and Company are out to dominate the World. They say they seek US Dominance of the World, They say that they will support that Dominance with Military Power.
Conservatives say people must be educated to be able to work in a technological economy.
They say that if you want your child to succeed in a technological society you must teach him to work in technological industries.
They own the industries you work for..
YOU producee the goods and services those inudstries sell. They distribute the profits of those industries. Some of what you produce they "give" back to you in the form of wages. They KEEP the rest of what you produce.
They Tell YOU that if you want your child to be able to work in those industries YOU should pay for the child to be trained to work in those industries from the wages they pay you for working in those industries. They say they own the product of YOUR work, and they say they create the jobs YOU do.
YOU Believe Them, and agree to use some of what they return to you from your labor to pay to have your child taught to keep the system working for THEIR benefit..

They tell you that "terrorists" are trying to destroy the company they own, you must pay to hire and deploy warriors to destroy the terrorists. If you Don't, all that money YOU earned working for that company will stop coming, and YOU and YOUR children will live like the families of the terrorists live. They tell you that the energy needed for you to have a job has to belong to them so you can keep making them rich. That energy already belongs to someone else. They say we cannot afford to buy the energy, so let's go conquer the people who have the energy, and then it will be ours, (but they don't mean yours and theirs, they mean theirs, even though your children did all the hard work of stealing it.)
And YOU go along with it. I am surprised that I have enough respect for you to even bother insulting you, let alone making the insult so mild.

THERE IS NONE SO BLIND AS HE WHO WILL NOT SEE.
"I freed a thousand slaves I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves."
Harriet Tubman

I will continue to look for facts, and examples of how the Bush administration, and the Neo Conservatives, are telling you one thing and doing another.
"I would fight for my liberty so long as my strength lasted, and if the time came for me to go, the Lord would let them take me."
Harriet Tubman

American Friends Service Committee Wage Peace Campaign.
"Quakers almost as good as colored. They call themselves friends and you can trust them every time."
Harriet Tubman


Ed. I respect a good many of the views you have and your research ability, but when it comes to GWB you have a delusional hatred that clouds your judgement.
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You are entitled to think whatever you will and I will not stupe to your level of beligerence. You look for anything possible that "might" discredit GWB. You troll the left wing blog sites and left wing "news" sites looking for any garbage that might forward your agenda. You are welcome to do that. It is a free country. I am also free to believe you are full of the excrement that comes from a male cow. You go on believing what you believe and I will go on believing what I believe. I live in the real world and you live in the fantasy land of "GWB is Hitler". The two will never cross paths of agreement.
YOU misspelled STOOP AND BELLIGERENCE. Stupe, BTW, means hot, wet, sometimes medicated, cloth used to stimulate circulation or open blocked pores.
You say I troll the Left Wing blogs to find material to discredit GWB. You are right, I also read foreign newspapers and magazines, "The New Yorker" and other US periodicals, and newspapers, including "Times Daily." I troll the Left Wing blogs because they also read other sources.
Thanks, ever so much, for the permission to look for and disseminate opinion and fact that discredits not only GWB, but the whole Neo Conservative philosophy of "You work for me, I get to keep what you make. I don't HAVE to give you anything. You have to give me not only your life, but the life of your children and their children too."
A Male Cow, is a Lesbian Cow, A bull, trapped in a cow's body. I thought neo conservatives believed that homosexuality was not natural.
I will give you credit for not using the expression Shown here as B***S***. but you should be aware that the standard euphemism is Brown Sugar. Another, purely American form is Excrement of a Male Bison. Or, Buffalo Chips.
Had your vocabulary allowed it, you might have created, "excrement of the male domestic bovine." In any case, I comprehend your intended meaning, to wit: "EdEKit is FULL OF IT."
of course, I disagree with that assessment, though I don't disagree when the concept is applied to the flock of blind sheep who follow the disciples of Leo Strauss. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Strauss
Again, My undying gratitude is given freely for the permission you grant me to go on thinking as I do. I certainly extend the same sufferance to you and those of your ilk.
Whereas you have granted me leave to think as I wish, I will take, on my own authority the prerogative of speaking my thoughts, and will continue to consider it a duty and obligation to promote and promulgate the philosophy that no man has license to dominate my life, or mandate my speech, or action, in furthering my cause of guaranteeing your appanage. Even if you don't approve or wish to permit such behavior.
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
Ed. I respect a good many of the views you have and your research ability, but when it comes to GWB you have a delusional hatred that clouds your judgement.
You have projected my hatred of Fascism onto GWB. I do "hate" GWB, I HATE HIS PHILOSOPHY. I HATE HIS LIES. I HATE HIS WAR FOR WORLD DOMINATION. I HATE THE FACT THAT HE TELLS US THAT CONQUEST LEADS TO FREEDOM. I hate the philosophy that gave Europe indentured servitude, slavery, and peasantry during the middle ages.
I hate Bin Laden even though I don't know him. I feel the same contempt for followers of Al Qaeda that I feel about the followers of the PNAC.
I hate ALL LIES. High on the list are those that are used to swindle me of my liberty.
I hate the hypocrisy of the Illegal Drug User Rush Limbaugh, with his 32 million dollar a year income whimpering because HIS taxes are high so yours can be low.
I hate ignorance, in myself as well as in others.
KNOWLEDGE IS POWER. It requires effort to gain power. It requires effort to gain knowledge. It takes courage to question authority.
In unity there is strength. A black man, a brown man and a white man raking asphalt on a highway project all have the same wants and needs. If they work together to satisfy those wants and needs for each other, they succeed. If the boss can convince the brown man that the black man and the white man will take the brown man's share, he will not help them take their fair share from the boss. Helping the other gain does not harm the helper. It benefits him because it makes an alliance with the other.
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"First the Nazis came…
First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—
and there was no one left to speak out for me."
Martin Niemoller died, 1984 (SEE GEORGE ORWELL)

That alliance can save your life.
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Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by EdEKit:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Southern Patriot:
Ed, I still don't understand where you come up with GWB wanting to "conquer the world"? <SNIP>.
I will refer you again to the PNAC and the Doctrine of Domination, or what would better be called the Bush Doctrine. <SNIP>
It was signed by THE PRESENT VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. THE FORMER AND RECENT SECRETARY OF DEFENSE OF THE UNITED STATES, THE BROTHER OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, AND WAS PRESENTED IN ALMOST WHOLE FORM AS THE BUSH DOCTRINE IN SEPTEMBER OF 2002.
<SNIP>

You are entitled to think whatever you will and I will not stupe to your level of beligerence. You look for anything possible that "might" discredit GWB. You troll the left wing blog sites and left wing "news" sites looking for any garbage that might forward your agenda. You are welcome to do that. It is a free country. I am also free to believe you are full of the excrement that comes from a male cow. You go on believing what you believe and I will go on believing what I believe. I live in the real world and you live in the fantasy land of "GWB is Hitler". The two will never cross paths of agreement.
Of course I do, I seek out the evidence that bolsters my contention that Bush and Company are out to dominate the World. They say they seek US Dominance of the World, They say that they will support that Dominance with Military Power.
Conservatives say people must be educated to be able to work in a technological economy.
They say that if you want your child to succeed in a technological society you must teach him to work in technological industries.
They own the industries you work for..
YOU producee the goods and services those inudstries sell. They distribute the profits of those industries. Some of what you produce they "give" back to you in the form of wages. They KEEP the rest of what you produce.
They Tell YOU that if you want your child to be able to work in those industries YOU should pay for the child to be trained to work in those industries from the wages they pay you for working in those industries. They say they own the product of YOUR work, and they say they create the jobs YOU do.
YOU Believe Them, and agree to use some of what they return to you from your labor to pay to have your child taught to keep the system working for THEIR benefit..

They tell you that "terrorists" are trying to destroy the company they own, you must pay to hire and deploy warriors to destroy the terrorists. If you Don't, all that money YOU earned working for that company will stop coming, and YOU and YOUR children will live like the families of the terrorists live. They tell you that the energy needed for you to have a job has to belong to them so you can keep making them rich. That energy already belongs to someone else. They say we cannot afford to buy the energy, so let's go conquer the people who have the energy, and then it will be ours, (but they don't mean yours and theirs, they mean theirs, even though your children did all the hard work of stealing it.)
And YOU go along with it. I am surprised that I have enough respect for you to even bother insulting you, let alone making the insult so mild.

THERE IS NONE SO BLIND AS HE WHO WILL NOT SEE.
"I freed a thousand slaves I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves."
Harriet Tubman

I will continue to look for facts, and examples of how the Bush administration, and the Neo Conservatives, are telling you one thing and doing another.
"I would fight for my liberty so long as my strength lasted, and if the time came for me to go, the Lord would let them take me."
Harriet Tubman

American Friends Service Committee Wage Peace Campaign.
"Quakers almost as good as colored. They call themselves friends and you can trust them every time."
Harriet Tubman


Ed. I respect a good many of the views you have and your research ability, but when it comes to GWB you have a delusional hatred that clouds your judgement.


I do not hate Bush, I do not like the job he is doing, I do not like what he is doing to Americans... I do not respect him... I think he has been in Politics FAR too long, but I do NOT hate him... I will just be glad when he moves out of Camp David!!! Oh, and did I mention that he is one of the most vacationing Pres? lol
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Ed. I respect a good many of the views you have and your research ability, but when it comes to GWB you have a delusional hatred that clouds your judgement.
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originally posted by Southern Patriot:
Ed. I respect a good many of the views you have and your research ability, but when it comes to GWB you have a delusional hatred that clouds your judgement.

Why thank you SP, I am glad to hear that you respect my views and ability to find facts to back my opinions. BUT I DO NOT HATE GW BUSH. I DON'T RESPECT HIM, I AN TERRIFIED OF THE WAY HE WIELDS THE POWER OF THE PRESIDENCY AND I THINK HE IS A COWARD. But I don't Hate Him. I may Pity him, but I don't hate him. I don't even know him.
When I buy a car, I negotiate with the seller. I offer, and he counter offers, we come to an agreement, and go our separate ways. Bush, I suspect, walks in, says he will pay a specified amount, If the Dealer refuses his offer, GW says, "Why do you hate me?" Or, perhaps YOU say to the Dealer, after GW pays the Dealer's Price, or goes without, "Why do you hate GW?"
Besides all the comments on this post, I want to add that God has a very special place for Politicians... AND GWB and CHENEY will have front row seats...

I am VERY VERY VERY sure that our God in Heaven is TIRED of GWB trying to "PLAY GOD" in all our lives...

Like the Good book says... What goes around, comes around...

Thank God!!!

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