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Originally posted by Braylan:
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Originally posted by miamizsun:
Bray, you just missed the bus, so relax, Comet Hale Bopp won't be back in our neighborhood until 4377. So you've got some time. I say stock up on some nice sneakers and a sleeping bag.

Good Luck, miamizsun


Miami, please don't associate me with this cult. I believe there is only one way into Heaven and the only way to obtain passage into Heaven is thoguh Jesus the messiah. God's holy word teaches this. This is what I believe whether you do or not, my belief is in the Bible.

Good day.


Bray, I know you believe, but why does it all have to end violently? And why would all the death and destruction be a good thing?

Regards, miamizsun

P.S. Do you think it is possible that the Christians and other like religions may have this "end times" thing wrong? Could not the end of one age lead to the beginning of another age? Without all of the unnecessary sacrifices and suffering?
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Originally posted by miamizsun:
Bray, I know you believe, but why does it all have to end violently? And why would all the death and destruction be a good thing?

Regards, miamizsun

P.S. Do you think it is possible that the Christians and other like religions may have this "end times" thing wrong? Could not the end of one age lead to the beginning of another age? Without all of the unnecessary sacrifices and suffering?


This will be my last reply for the day.

Miami, if for a moment I had the ability, or if better yet we humans had the ability to make the world a better place I am sure we would make every effort to do so. What we fail to realize is that no matter how much you and I are humanly moral, the rest of the world is not on the same moral page as we are. Just as is in our Judicial system now, we see that we all have laws to abide by and if those laws are broken we must pay the price. This is very similar to Gods judicial system. It was never meant to harm anyone, His system was not to harm, just as ours is not set in place to harm. In fact ours is set in place only as a deterent, as a reminder to we humans to do right and if you cross the boundaries then it is not your Governments or Gods fault you are punished but your own!

Why can't it be different, why can't there just be a transition, for 2000 years or more according to Gods record book. People have tried to make this place a virtual Heaven on Earth but yet it has never met the criteria to be Heaven. People are sinful, people are selfish, people are lovers of themselves and as long as this is the case there will always be a need for our God to control things.

God bless and Good day.
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What we fail to realize is that no matter how much you and I are humanly moral, the rest of the world is not on the same moral page as we are.

Holy mackeral. Are you serious?

We're all just human beings, doing the best we can. Do you really think that Americans, your presumed "we", are better than the Italians, the Chileans, the Pago Pagoans?

We have a very fine country, but there are good and bad people everywhere.

I don't recognize "god's judicial system" for the obvious reasons. I will not allow you to impose it onto my country, either.

DF
Well, I guess all those centuries of both Eastern and Western thought are out of the window now. Why,oh why did I bother to ever read Hegel or even Kant? Why, I should have known that this stuff was applicable only to Germans. . . and Protestant ones at that!

One last song lyric snippet comes to mind:

"It's astounding, time is fleeting,
Madness takes control." -- Richard O'Brien.

And a final comeback quote from Elvis Costello:

"I used to get disgusted, but now I try to be amused . . . ."
Well, all I can say in reply is what Schiller said and Luigi Beethoven put into tune: "Alle Menschen werden Bruder wo dein sanfter Flugel weilt."

or maybe Neil Young: "Yeah, we've got Mother Nature on the run in the Twenty-first Century."

or maybe Cole Porter:

"The world has gone mad today
And good's bad today
And black's white today
And day's night today
When most guys today that women prize today
Are just silly gigolos"
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Originally posted by DeepFat:
Holy mackeral. Are you serious?

We're all just human beings, doing the best we can. Do you really think that Americans, your presumed "we", are better than the Italians, the Chileans, the Pago Pagoans?

We have a very fine country, but there are good and bad people everywhere.

I don't recognize "god's judicial system" for the obvious reasons. I will not allow you to impose it onto my country, either.

DF


It is night and not day so now I will reply.

You and Chuby Checker would make a good duo. Well what I mean if you don't know is... Come on baby lets twist again, like we did last summer, like we did last year.

Just like Mr. Bill Gray has said of you, you twist things to a view that was not actually meant to be seen.

I meant that while I may have morals in one area another person may not share my sentiments on marality concerning that issue. So by me saying the world I mean the general public all over the world (I was not segregating Countries) ROFL! After all you have proven that you have different morals than I. As all atheist have proven their morals are different than those of Christians.

As for God's judicial system, our countires main laws are based on portions of the TEN COMMANDMENTS! So you do recognize them, you just won't admit it.

Good night!
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Originally posted by Neal Hughes:
Well, I guess all those centuries of both Eastern and Western thought are out of the window now. Why,oh why did I bother to ever read Hegel or even Kant? Why, I should have known that this stuff was applicable only to Germans. . . and Protestant ones at that!

One last song lyric snippet comes to mind:

"It's astounding, time is fleeting,
Madness takes control." -- Richard O'Brien.

And a final comeback quote from Elvis Costello:

"I used to get disgusted, but now I try to be amused . . . ."


Neal you ride the fence to much, you really aren't worth my time! I suggest you read Revelation 3 verses 14-22!

Good night!
Another perception: There is a process of unprecedented change unfolding with the earth, within your lifetime. You are part of the change. Without knowledge of the artifical boundaries of religion, science or ancient mystic traditions, the change is characterized by dramatic shifts in the earth, human understanding, perception and experience. In the ancient texts, this time is referred to as "The Shift of the Ages"
During key moments in human history, a wisdom has been offered allowing individuals to experience tremendous change without fear, illness, and disease. This time, "The Shift" is one of those moments. You are living the completion of a cycle that began nearly 200,000 yrs. ago.
Though the words may be different, there are underlying threads of continuity with the ancient traditions and the actual teachings of the Universal Christ--not the interpretations of the translated and fragmented Biblical texts seen today. Among those threads of truth, consistent with the Egyptian, Native American, Buddhist, Tibetan, Essene, early Christian and ancient mystery schools are these fundamental concepts: You are the Alpha and the Omega-the beginning and the end.
Using eschatology in an attempt to frighten people into toeing the line that the fundamentalists have drawn is about the crudest way to win "converts" there is.
We note with great relish that historically little emphasis was placed on "End Times' Mechanics" until the Scofield Reference Bible came into vogue with its Darbyite dispensational footnotes included alongside the text of the KJV
Bible.
In the most ancient creeds of the Church, there is only a mention of "and shall come again in glory to judge both the quick and the dead," not shall make people suffer through a Tribulation and then Rapture those pure enough for a Bema Seat Judgment and save the rest for the final judgment, unless, of course, they were the Thief on the Cross, in which case, special circumstances apply.
This stuff is a fetish, not theology, rather mere dogma elevated to doctrine, novel and not even very sublime doctrine at that.
These ranters are warts on the soles of the feet of those who practice the true Christian faith, which is the ancient unbroken faith of our fathers from the apostles on down today and is rooted in one basic law: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
Why do ye of little action but many words have to offer save "salvation by my true terms, as I am 'saved' and can memorize scriptures and spit them out of my mouth out of context until the cows come home, and if you want to get Raptured then you had better follow and the TV preachers and leave your churches that feed the hungry and have NA and AA ministries and you can be smug and smile at the thought of all the hell-bound alongside us in our multi-million dollar chapel with gymnasiums and listen to our overpaid preacher preach to the choir."
That is sure a way to win converts, eh? Fear? It might work a Strict Father denying dessert to a sullen child not eating butter beans, but will it work on adults? Evidently it does because it allows people to believe that they are "special" and not merely going to get dessert in perpetuity, but everyone else has to eat liver.
Go on with your John Hagees, your pink-wigged women and be assured that a man with a $100 razor cut haircut has the keys to your salvation. You deserve one another: PT Barnum would have been nothing without his "suckers."
Now, if you want to take up your Cross and fight for equality and justice and feed the world, there are thousands of churches who aren't interested in avoiding tribulation and getting raptured, rather doing Our Lord's mission here on earth.

p.s. You move away for a few years and it seems that the lunatics are in charge of the asylums/chapels hereabouts. . .
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Originally posted by DeepFat:
Most likely the Shift of the Ages is an astrological reference. First, you have to believe in astrology to be affected by it. I do not.

Look up Miamiz' videos on the subject, they're very interesting.

DF

Astrology? Don't think so. Scientific? Definitely.
Mer-Ka-Ba is both Egyptian and Hebrew word for the morphogenic field of energy/information/light that radiates from the human body as the double or star tetrahedron. It is this pattern that forms the Star of David. The Me-Ka-Ba is known as the Light Body, Light Body Vehicle, Time-Space Vehicle and the vehicle of Ascension. It is through the specific ratios and rates of rotation that the fields of Me-Ka-Ba "wrinkle" the grids, allowing the experience of varied dimensionality to "consciousness" in resonance with the field. Mer>Light-Ka>Spirit-Ba>Body. The codes of 3-space creation are based upon one, or some combination of, five fundamental pattens known as the Platonic Solids; "tetrahedron, hexahedron (cube), etc.
The term "Light" in these ancient texts means electromagnetic information that is carried into our bodies at the cellular/genetic level.
People have been saying the end of times was just around the corner for as long as anyone can remember.

The truth is, no one knows when this will all end. Maybe billions of years from now when the sun supernovas, maybe next year when North Korea decides to launch some nukes so they can have the whole world for themselves. It might happen today when I'm driving home and a drunk hits me and I'm gone. We simply don't know and have no way of knowing.

So live life as if today's your last day. Tell the people you love that you love them, try new things, go to new places, and enjoy what you have. Life is too short to live in fear. You never know when your time is up.
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Don't let the atheist deter you, as a christain you are standing up for what we christains do believe.


No, this is NOT what all Christians believe! Many of them are reasonable rational (well, as anyone can be that still believes the creator of the universe intervenes in their lives).

The fundie crap that Bray spews is beyond insane. Its embarrassing. He is destroying what little credibility Christianity has left. You people should be battling people like Bray and Bill Gray, not praising him.
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Originally posted by GoFish:
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Don't let the atheist deter you, as a christain you are standing up for what we christains do believe.


No, this is NOT what all Christians believe! Many of them are reasonable rational (well, as anyone can be that still believes the creator of the universe intervenes in their lives).

The fundie crap that Bray spews is beyond insane. Its embarrassing. He is destroying what little credibility Christianity has left. You people should be battling people like Bray and Bill Gray, not praising him.


You do not view our Bible as being God breathed so stay out of it. No one wants to hear from you anymore converning Christianity. I am not trying to convert you so BUTT out! As for Chrisitan views, if a Christian does not believe in some sort of an end time prophesy as God has given then they can't be a Christain caus ethey bible is the truth according to God and that would mean they are calling God a liar! So yes all Christians have some sort of belief according to the Bible about end time prophesy!

Go Away!
oops,
I mean Good day!
A very ancient science, passed down, in an unwritten format that was relegated to the churches and mystery schools approx. 3 to 4 thousand years ago to the present day, this ancient knowledge is resurfacing now as we near the close of this 200,000 cycle, for those who would seek and are willing to accept the responsibility that comes with "knowing".
"Seek and ye shall find"
There is no intended judgement of right or wrong inherent in the ability to recognize the rapture; it is purely the completion of one aspect of experience.
The rapture is the beginning of a new experience of the Resurrection/Ascension process into higher dimensional experience, for Earth as well as the individuals.
Come now Evangelist Braylan, let's grow a bit thicker skin shall we? Your (righteous?) wrath is rather unbecoming a servant of Our Lord isn't it?
FTR: the majority of Christians have never had much concern in eschatology, finding it fanciful flights of frightening rhetoric designed to frighten the simple more than to enlighten anyone.
You lot look at a map of the earth and see how Africa and South America oddly fit together and yet believe that they were never connected or were detached only 6000 years ago? You believe that a cosmic creator whose volition alone willed creation into being will end such marvels with a bunch of trumpet blows and seals being broken and such other convolutions that I cannot keep which little sect believes what any longer.
Your lot is one of desperately seeking ultimate "knowledge" and "certitude" and not living as independent humans, rather as parrots and slaves to pink wigged women and diamond pinky-ringed talibangelists.

Doltish is too kind a description for you. Pitiable, yes. That you turn Christianity, a most sublime and satiating religion and philosophy into a farce is unforgivable.

You can rant all you like, it just makes you look even loonier than you appear otherwise. The snake handlers and Triburapturists all deserve one another.

When does the next heresy trial and auto da fe begin? Where is the best place to float a witch around here, Blue Water or Cypress Creeks?
The world is changing, and there are no assurances of anything any longer save death and taxes. It is upsetting, but why not try to cultivate your own gardens and not spread silly dogmatic BS all over the world. Hungry kids in Darfur don't care about the Rapture: they want to eat.
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Originally posted by GoFish:
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word for the morphogenic field of energy/information/light that radiates from the human body as the double or star tetrahedron


There is no evidence for any sort of "aura" or radiation field or tetrahedronic energy field.

This public service announcement was brought to you by rational thinking.


You mean there is no FORCE???? How did Luke defeat Darth Vadar without it? Confused
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Originally posted by Braylan:
In the Bible; it is believed by many if not all Christians that prophesies are given to show us as a view of whats to come in the last days. We are told and taught by Jesus himself that in the last days just before His return several things will take place. I am going to attempt to shine a little light on a Major prophesy beginning to be fulfilled now and may even be fulfilled by September 2008!

Daniel 9:27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ’seven.’ In the middle of the ’seven’. he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.

In this prophesy above we see that in the last days before Jesus returns the Anti-Christ will help establish peace in the middle east between Israel and the surrounding arab nations. By our own news agencies we see that Israel and Palenstine are having issues. We see that Egypt and Israel have been having issues every since Israel became a nation once again. Last but not least We now see that Iran is about to have a big (nuclear) issue with Israel.

But if you have been paying attention to the news (i.e. CNN, WNN & Jerusalem Post) You will see that Israel's Prime Minister is stepping down in September. BUT... He said before he leaves office He is going to make every effort possible to have the 7 yes I said 7 year peace treaty (covenant) signed.

Which is going to be the New Year in Israel;
Jewish Holidays 5769 Dates in 2008-2009
Rosh HaShana = New Year Sept 30-Oct 1 Tues-Wed
Yom Kippur = Day of Atonement October 9 Thurs
Sukkot = Feast of Tabernacles October 14-20 Tues-Mon

What does this mean? We just have to watch for the signs given in the Bible. Be waiting for Christ soon return. Teaching others to repent for the Kingdom of God is near.


Let me know when I should bring the Kool-Aid.
Some nerve, Braying Braylan, disrespecting Miss Cole Porter! Why he even wrote a song about Gabriel blowing his horn! (Some believe that this particular work might have been metaphor, however . . . ) Patti Lupone smites you! Smites! And the shades of Ethel Merman are angry and must be appeased. You are sentenced to opening night on Broadway for the revival of Anything Goes with la Patti in tails and white tie and top hat for penance! Perhaps summoning the spirit of Hon. Jimmy Walker will be adequate for your blasphemy.
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Originally posted by GoFish:
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word for the morphogenic field of energy/information/light that radiates from the human body as the double or star tetrahedron


There is no evidence for any sort of "aura" or radiation field or tetrahedronic energy field.

This public service announcement was brought to you by rational thinking.


LOL Fish! I thought Illusionist was quoting the lines to Aquarius or something. It's been a long time since I've listened to the soundtrack from Hair but I sure enough thought that was it! It's obvious she can cut and paste but perhaps she should change her name to Disillusionist. The fundy stuff made more sense.

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