Thought this was a hoot--fodder for Bill:

 

Pre-Umbilicism --- This is the view that has already been presented above; the view that Adam and Eve were given navels at the moment of their creation by God. Some of these theorists get pretty bizarre in their speculations. Since man is created in the image of God (I would refer the reader to Reflections #51 -- Imago Dei: Created in the Image of God), and since they regard this to in some way refer to physical characteristics, they actually suggest Adam and Eve were in some manner connected to the Creator with a cosmic umbilical cord. They also suggest that since Adam and Eve had a navel, and since they are "in the image of God," that God Himself must have a navel, which leads to some absolutely heretical conjectures. They perceive our God, prior to the creation of the universe, as being some giant fetus floating out there in nothingness, attached to some massive placenta-like blob. The "point of severing" (an important term for them) was when this blob exploded (the "Big Bang") and cut God loose. At some point He awoke, complete with a navel, to realize He was God, and then set out to create a universe out of the remnants of the mass that exploded. This is all so incredibly absurd that one wonders how a person could advocate it with a straight face!

Mid-Umbilicism --- This particular view suggests that Adam's navel was created when the Lord God took the rib from him and created the woman Eve. God chose to pull the rib from the center of Adam's blank abdomen, thus forming a puncture wound. Therefore, the navel on Adam, unlike all future navels, was not a visible sign that he had come from a woman, but actually a visible sign that woman had come from him. Eve, according to these Mid-Umbilicists, never did have a navel, as there was no need for her to have one. There are even more bizarre theories connected with this -- for example, a few who embrace this theory believe the woman to have been an inferior creation, one not even blessed with the hope of everlasting life. They were created solely for service to man, and when they die and return to dust, they are just blown away with the wind. This is referred to as the "Great Dusting Away." Only man was created in the image of God, and only man was destined to immortality. Woman was just his temporary slave.

Post-Umbilicism --- This last theory places the umbilicus on both Adam and Eve after their sin, and at the point of being driven from the garden. When Cain was later driven out because he had murdered his brother, we are told God "set a mark on him" (Gen. 4:15). The Mormons, of course, used to believe this mark was that God turned his skin black. After much protest lodged against them, the President of this church conveniently had a new revelation and reversed this racist position. Anyway, the Mid-Umbilicists similarly assume that a distinguishing mark was placed on Adam and Eve when they were driven from the garden (although Scripture never mentions any such mark being placed on them), and that this mark was the belly button. This "scar" in their midsection would forever be a reminder to this couple, and to all mankind, that they had, by their sin, been "severed from" their God, just as a baby is severed from its mother when the umbilical cord is cut, with the navel being a constant visible reminder of that previous connection now forever severed.

 

 

Actually, years ago at UNA, they taught in Art Appreciation that most painters were well aware that Adam and his main squeeze didn't have an umbilicus. Perhaps more to the point, did Adam have a scar where he lost a rib? Good wives aren't cheap.

I guess if you can buy the story that adam was made outta dirt, and eve out of a bone, you can go ahead and toss in a belly button. Why give a man a 4 skin (had to edit and spell it this way, it blocked out the word) if god wants it cut off? None of it makes any sense.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

I guess if you can buy the story that adam was made outta dirt, and eve out of a bone, you can go ahead and toss in a belly button. Why give a man a 4 skin (had to edit and spell it this way, it blocked out the word) if god wants it cut off? None of it makes any sense.

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Adam or Eve didn't have a belly button, never did, never will.

 

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If I were an atheist, I would beg, borrow, and steal so that I could get the most pleasure from my hopefully expected 80 years. If I were a believer in a creator and life after death I would attempt to earn a position in the afterlife by following a moral code that was thought to impress the creator. If I believe in Jesus, I would obey, not out of duty, but because of love and the joy of being forgiven.

Either way, we were not there when the world was formed and could spend the rest of our lives throwing scientific terms but at the end of the day, we would still have to choose what we wanted to believe.

There was once a group of the smartest people on earth who would defend to the death that the world was flat.

There was once a group of the smartest people on earth who believed the earth was the center of the universe.

Today, we still have a group of “the smartest people on earth who think they have all the answers. As individuals, we find a group that supports our belief, from aliens, creation-evolution, cancer treatments, etc… and join with them using their version of the facts. We put our faith in their facts because we have a genuine desire to believe them. Unfortunately, if we look hard, we can always find someone who has evidence to disprove everyone else.

What we chose to believe is all faith. We have faith in our history book even though they were based on someone’s opinion. We believe science books as fact, only to find the fact dispelled and changed a few years later.

We, as a human race, have accomplished truly great things but we still don’t know what’s at the bottom of the deepest part of the ocean, we still can’t fix world hunger, or find a cure for the common cold.

 

If I were an atheist, I would beg, borrow, and steal so that I could get the most pleasure from my hopefully expected 80 years.

 

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There's no reason to beg borrow or steal. You just live life. One thing about atheists is the fact that we know this is it, you only go around once and you have to make the most of it. You can't sit back and let slights you do to your loved ones just simmer, because you don't know if you or they have 80 seconds of life left much less 80 years to make it right. I for one want the memory of the last times my loved ones saw me to be a happy memory, I want the memory of them to be a happy one for me. One of us will go on in this life and I don't want guilt for what I should have done to be a part of my memory of them, nor them of me.

 

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We believe science books as fact, only to find the fact dispelled and changed a few years later.

We, as a human race, have accomplished truly great things but we still don’t know what’s at the bottom of the deepest part of the ocean, we still can’t fix world hunger, or find a cure for the common cold.

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I believe certain scientific facts to be true, but yes, science never stops seeking,changing, and advancing.That is the purpose of scientists. If they thought they had all the answers they would have stopped that seeking a long time ago when some old ancient book, written by superstitious old men that had no idea of how the world worked, said that's the way it is, man came from dirt, woman from a bone, end of story. I have trust in many people and things and that is how I live my life. Faith, to me, is only wishful thinking and I wouldn't bet my short time on earth that I could live however I wanted because after I died there'd be a place where I could make my mistakes all better.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Adam or Eve didn't have a belly button, never did, never will.

 

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Don't tell me, tell the ones painting them and giving them belly buttons.

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And of course Eve, having derived from a rib, always walked with a limp.

 

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Originally Posted by FirenzeVeritas:

Adam was lonely and asked God for a loving, caring, obedient wife. God replied that he could provide Adam with one but it would cost him an arm and a leg. Adam considered for a few moments and replied, "What could I get for just a rib?"


Lol...good one.  I think my poor husband just got the loving and caring part for sure.  But then he didn't really want obedience, so it all worked out...lol.

Originally Posted by lexum:

Does any animal other than human experience labor pain?


Yes, mammals squeeze out babies, and humans are just another mammal.  Watch an animal give birth and monitor vitals...similar to human response to pain, and if you watch body language you see it.

Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Adam didn't have b r e a s t s? So what happened? Why do men have them now?

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I was joking, I believe Adam did had b r e a s t s

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Would labor pains be necessary to prompt mother to push the baby out?

 

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Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Would labor pains be necessary to prompt mother to push the baby out?

 

No.

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Contractions are painful and you will push to get the painful part

behind you. Will that not quicken the birth because the quicker

the better it would be for the child.

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Originally Posted by interventor1212:

A story called, "Sherlock Holmes' Last Case," has him, after arriving at the Pearly Gates, identifying Adam and Eve amongst those souls because they were the only ones without belly buttons.

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Wouldn't all the people in Heaven be fully clothed?

Originally Posted by lexum:

Back on to the original subject I would say Adam nor Eve had belly buttons since they were created rather than being born through the birth canal of a woman.

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Correctamundo, lexum,

 

Jules..............pulp fiction

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Contractions are painful and you will push to get the painful part

behind you. Will that not quicken the birth because the quicker

the better it would be for the child.

 

 

No.

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You're new around here aren't you?

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Well, since I wasn't there and haven't seen any proof they were either, it is a moot point to me.  Unless someone was there or had really concrete proof I don't see how the question can be answered unless one quotes the Bible and extrapolates.

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