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The Bible seems to be filled with contradictions. The four Gospels give four differing accounts as to what was written on the sign that hung on the cross. One of those contradictions seems to be in these 4 scriptures. They can’t all be right since there had to be only one sign on the cross.

 

Matthew 27:37

And above His head they put up the charge against Him which read, "THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS".

 

Mark 15:26

The inscription of the charge against Him read, "THE KING OF THE JEWS".

Luke 23:38

Now there was also an inscription above Him, "THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS".

John 19:19

Pilate also wrote an inscription and put it on the cross. It was written, "JESUS THE

NAZARENE, THE KING OF THE JEWS"

 

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believe it or not, i've never had much of a problem with that one. like winston said, it's just 4 ways of saying the same thing.

 now, if the gospels told us that in one, it said  "king of the jews",

while  in another it quoted the line as  "what a lousy way to spend Easter"

and another as saying  "hey, i can see your house from here"

and the 4th as "roses are red, violets are blue, this jew is dead, soon you'll be, too'

 

THEN i'd agree with you whole heartedly... but as it is, all four are close enough to the same thing to not worry me.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by The Nagel:

 but as it is, all four are close enough to the same thing to not worry me.

It doesn't worry me either. Seems to me that something that important, those 4 could get it right. It couldn't have been that big of a sign.

Oh aye... but ask 4 people who witnessed an event... car wreck.. mugging... street performer.. anything.. and each of the 4 will give just a slightly different version. ask 12, you'll have 12 variations. if there werre 12 gospels, " hey i can see your house from here." might well have been one of them

 

While they are different wording and while the answers about four persons viewing the same event recording in their own writing their own sight of what they say is correct and I agree with that I would also say that it is evidence that those who prayed and assembled the Scriptures were not there to change them or doctor them up in any way.  If they had then they would have potentially read the exact same thing.  I see this also as proof that they transcribed word for word what they saw and read in the original manuscripts.  

 

I will also post a section from a Bible that I have which gives explanation about this but even their answer is an assumption but does not negate that it was Christ who was on the Cross and that He was actually crucified on a cross.  

 

Additionally I take the four sections of scripture to reveal that Christ was referred to as the "King of the Jews" as many followers saw Him for the Messiah that He was but failed to understand His mission and His need to go to the cross and die.  Many felt that He (Christ) would come off the cross and make/take His Kingdom then for they did not perceive of the redeeming ministry of Christ they only saw Him as the rightful King of Israel, the promised Messiah to come and redeem them from the Romans.  I also look at the various statements as four different testimonies that Christ was crucified on a cross as prophesied that the messiah would be.   That statement King Of the Jews as essentially saying Jesus was the promised Messiah, God incarnate which is why He was considered dangerous enough to warrant Crucifixion and why those ruling the synagog and High Priest were all too quick to turn Him over to the Romans for the Sentence to be carried out.


Mark 15:26 There are minor variations among the four Gospels as to the wording of the charge on the placard placed on Jesus' cross. Probably the charge read, "Jesus of Nazareth, king of the Jews," and each Gospel writer summarized it slightly differently while retaining the basic point. A placard noting the prisoner's name and offense often accompanied those condemned to death by the Romans.

 

pasted from : Alan Hultberg, “Notes on Mark,” in The Apologetics Study Bible: Understanding Why You Believe, ed. Ted Cabal (Nashville, TN: Holman Bible Publishers, 2007), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 1501.


 


Last edited by gbrk
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

So.....shoot me for having an opinion.

 


Me? Good Lord woman... no no no...

i like your opinions... i was just offering mine

i'm sorry if you felt i was trying to shoot down your thoughts on this... i wasn't.

i was just trying to show how i thought about the issue, and why i thought that way.

i apologize most sincerely if i made you think otherwise, and i'll try to take more care with how i say things...

Jennifer,

 

I would not argue the point that there aren't people who make it a life's work to find and identify contradictions that they feel are in the Bible.  I won't make a bold statement that there aren't places that, on the surface, do contradict another section and passage.  Each occurrence and proposed "contradiction" has to be taken on it's own and it's own merit.  I admit that I haven't sought out books or list of these said contradictions but I am also aware that there are Christian authors and Christian websites that have and have attempted to answer these alleged contradictions one by one.  Often those answers are never adequate for those that have a desire to want to somehow void the Bible as God's word and therefore feel that finding a conflicting passage or section would do that.  

 

I respect that you would not want to spend time or even waste time trying to do work that has already been done by many others but likewise I would be repeating the same waste of effort and time re-doing work that was accomplished by other Christians who have posted answers on websites and printed books.  If however a forum member has a question on one specific passage I am glad to try and address that statement or "conflict".  

 

I do personally believe that the Bible is God's communication unto human (man/woman) and that much of what God wants His believers and Saints to know comes from within it's words and is taught to each believer in a personal, intimate way via the ministry of God's Holy Spirit which dwells/lives within each true believer.  I say true believer because God's own words say that only those whom know God and whom God knows, ,Saved, believers etc, are given God's Holy Spirit as a guarantee of their  relationship with God, or their salvation.   It is not my place to make or pronounce judgments upon anyone for their beliefs or lack of them but I do consider it my responsibility to be able to explain the reason for my personal beliefs and answer questions as to why I believe as I do.  If God uses those words or answers for His own purpose then I'm honored to be a tool for His using but judging others is not one of those ministries.

Originally Posted by Jennifer:

GBRK, are you saying that all people bothered by the contradictions only want to "pick the bible apart"? Why would you say that when many many christians are bothered by them? Denying they exist doesn't change them or make them go away.

 

Jennifer,  Forgive me but I'm certainly not perfect with my words or possibly always conveying what I mean to say.  To answer your question no I am not saying that all people bothered by contradictions have some nefarious ulterior motive spurring them on.  There will always be Christians, new Christians and established Christians that come across a passage that the find confusing or even that they feel contradicts something else they believe or have heard in the past.  Likewise there are non-Christians who are similar in that they have a curiosity about why there are differences wording of certain passages or curious about why something appears as it does.

 

I will though say that I do believe that there are some who seek to find or seek to spotlight what they perceive as contradictions for the sole reason of wanting to say the whole bible is void because they feel they find one passage that is contradictory.  Also some seek to find some real contradiction, if it exist, in order to combat a Christian that dogmatically states that the Bible is perfect without flaw or error.  

 

Motivations vary as much as people do and in no way am I lumping everyone into one category so if it seemed so then I'm sorry and I was mistaken in doing so.  As for my personal belief, regarding the Bible.  I believe that God did inspire the writers of the manuscripts used in assembling the scriptures together for the people.  While the books were written by men I believe that they were inspired by God's Holy Spirit to write what they did.  Was the assembly of the materials perfect and without flaw?  I don't believe anything man has hand in is completely perfect and without flaw so is it possible that somewhere within someone will find something that is impossible to prove or appears as a legitimate contradiction?  Possible, I will admit.   I feel God inspired the assembly of the Bible for use by His Holy Spirit in ministry to the world and unto His believers and I believe that the Holy Spirit's use of the Scriptures to be perfect and without error as God applies it to each Christian's heart.  To proclaim though that every application of the Scriptures is flawless is not valid however because different people interpret scripture differently. 

 

It would be like saying that every sermon, delivered by man is divinely inspired and flawless and contained no errors.  I am not willing to say that or take that liberty.  I do feel that God can use sermons to speak to people's hearts and minds in a perfect way and application and I also believe that God can use imperfect material in a perfect application way.  I do believe that God, by His Holy Spirit impresses Preachers and Ministers to speak on a specific subject at certain times.   I view and believe the Bible to be the major source of God's communication with man/woman/humans and that the communication comes in a perfect way through God's Holy Spirit and in that respect then it is without error for I believe God to be without error and perfect as best we can know perfection.

 

I hope that clears what I meant up.

Last edited by gbrk
Originally Posted by The Nagel:

Me? Good Lord woman... no no no...

i like your opinions... i was just offering mine

i'm sorry if you felt i was trying to shoot down your thoughts on this... i wasn't.

i was just trying to show how i thought about the issue, and why i thought that way.

i apologize most sincerely if i made you think otherwise, and i'll try to take more care with how i say things...

We're good......I was joking. I really don't want to be shot.

Understand that the Bible was written by more than one person and at different times. There are NO contradictions in the Bible only different writings from different human views. Contradictions in the Bible would mean that parts of the Bible are not true. ALL of the Bible is true not written by God but written by men inspired by God which means that there is nothing in the Bible that God didn't want in there just like there are things that happened during Jesus time that are not part of the Bible. Perfect example is Jesus childhood. There is very little written in the Bible about Jesus during his childhood or during his teenage years.

Before Jesus was put on his cross, the two brigands had already been placed on their crosses, all the while cursing and spitting upon their executioners. Jesus’ only words, as they nailed him to the crossbeam, were, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.” He could not have so mercifully and lovingly interceded for his executioners if such thoughts of affectionate devotion had not been the mainspring of all his life of unselfish service. The ideas, motives, and longings of a lifetime are openly revealed in a crisis.

 

After the Master was hoisted on the cross, the captain nailed the title up above his head, and it read in three languages, “Jesus of Nazareth — the King of the Jews.” The Jews were infuriated by this believed insult. But Pilate was chafed by their disrespectful manner; he felt he had been intimidated and humiliated, and he took this method of obtaining petty revenge. He could have written “Jesus, a rebel.” But he well knew how these Jerusalem Jews detested the very name of Nazareth, and he was determined thus to humiliate them. He knew that they would also be cut to the very quick by seeing this executed Galilean called “The King of the Jews.”

 

Many of the Jewish leaders, when they learned how Pilate had sought to deride them by placing this inscription on the cross of Jesus, hastened out to Golgotha, but they dared not attempt to remove it since the Roman soldiers were standing on guard. Not being able to remove the title, these leaders mingled with the crowd and did their utmost to incite derision and ridicule, lest any give serious regard to the inscription.

 

The Apostle John, with Mary the mother of Jesus, Ruth, and Jude, arrived on the scene just after Jesus had been hoisted to his position on the cross, and just as the captain was nailing the title above the Master’s head. John was the only one of the eleven apostles to witness the crucifixion, and even he was not present all of the time since he ran into Jerusalem to bring back his mother and her friends soon after he had brought Jesus’ mother to the scene.

 

As Jesus saw his mother, with John and his brother and sister, he smiled but said nothing. Meanwhile the four soldiers assigned to the Master’s crucifixion, as was the custom, had divided his clothes among them, one taking the sandals, one the turban, one the girdle, and the fourth the cloak. This left the tunic, or seamless vestment reaching down to near the knees, to be cut up into four pieces, but when the soldiers saw what an unusual garment it was, they decided to cast lots for it. Jesus looked down on them while they divided his garments, and the thoughtless crowd jeered at him.

 

It was well that the Roman soldiers took possession of the Master’s clothing. Otherwise, if his followers had gained possession of these garments, they would have been tempted to resort to superstitious relic worship. The Master desired that his followers should have nothing material to associate with his life on earth. He wanted to leave mankind only the memory of a human life dedicated to the high spiritual ideal of being consecrated to doing the Father’s will.

It has been pointed out to me that I am woefully inadequate in mental acuity, especially in the past few days. My condition seems to have deteriorated to the point of blubbering idiot and what little wattage I have left in the old gray matter is barely enough to power my motor skills. I sit here drooling on my keyboard as I try to cobble up a reply to Fireman. I am interrupted by little fits of uncontrollable laughter. No doubt a side effect of my rapidly deteriorating neurotransmitters. Still I manage to formulate an opinion on his statement that the Bible contains no contradictions.  I, like Semi, will respectfully have to disagree. The contradictions have been stated here so many times that even us brain dead can recall most of them. I don't care to rehash the issue because frankly, the effort seems overwhelming at the moment. I hope you appreciate the effort this tired old simpleton has exerted in this dissertation. If you would be so kind to excuse me, I will attempt to roll me some medication,and try to get a few of those synapses to reconnect. Thampka yuo fro you'4e pateiantceouncs..............

Originally Posted by bluetick:

It has been pointed out to me that I am woefully inadequate in mental acuity, especially in the past few days. My condition seems to have deteriorated to the point of blubbering idiot and what little wattage I have left in the old gray matter is barely enough to power my motor skills. I sit here drooling on my keyboard as I try to cobble up a reply to Fireman. I am interrupted by little fits of uncontrollable laughter. No doubt a side effect of my rapidly deteriorating neurotransmitters. Still I manage to formulate an opinion on his statement that the Bible contains no contradictions.  I, like Semi, will respectfully have to disagree. The contradictions have been stated here so many times that even us brain dead can recall most of them. I don't care to rehash the issue because frankly, the effort seems overwhelming at the moment. I hope you appreciate the effort this tired old simpleton has exerted in this dissertation. If you would be so kind to excuse me, I will attempt to roll me some medication,and try to get a few of those synapses to reconnect. Thampka yuo fro you'4e pateiantceouncs..............

 

 

 

 

Nah...you're not deteriorating...you were like that when I met you.

Originally Posted by bluetick:

It has been pointed out to me that I am woefully inadequate in mental acuity, especially in the past few days. My condition seems to have deteriorated to the point of blubbering idiot and what little wattage I have left in the old gray matter is barely enough to power my motor skills. I sit here drooling on my keyboard as I try to cobble up a reply to Fireman. I am interrupted by little fits of uncontrollable laughter. No doubt a side effect of my rapidly deteriorating neurotransmitters. Still I manage to formulate an opinion on his statement that the Bible contains no contradictions.  I, like Semi, will respectfully have to disagree. The contradictions have been stated here so many times that even us brain dead can recall most of them. I don't care to rehash the issue because frankly, the effort seems overwhelming at the moment. I hope you appreciate the effort this tired old simpleton has exerted in this dissertation. If you would be so kind to excuse me, I will attempt to roll me some medication,and try to get a few of those synapses to reconnect. Thampka yuo fro you'4e pateiantceouncs..............

 

Originally Posted by CageTheElephant:

Nah...you're not deteriorating...you were like that when I met you.

Maybe he's been dipping into your Rum?

quote:
  Originally Posted by Jennifer:

GBRK, are you saying that all people bothered by the contradictions only want to "pick the Bible apart"?  Why would you say that when many many Christians are bothered by them?  Denying they exist doesn't change them or make them go away.


Hi Chick,

 

Like GB, I am happy you asked the question.   While some obviously do try to find contradictions in the Bible in an attempt to disprove its validity; I do not believe that all who question what seems to be contradictions are trying to "pick the Bible apart."

 

There are some contradictions in the Bible -- such as the king's 4,000 horses verse his 40,000 in another Scripture passage.   Yes, such contradictions have occurred and can usually be explained such as this one -- which was most likely a copyist error in writing Hebrew numbers.

 

But, such things as the four Gospel writers having somewhat different wording when they described the sign placed above Jesus on the cross -- and the two differing views of Jesus' genealogy -- are not really contradictions.  They are just differing points of view.

 

And, there are other copyist and translation errors in the Bible.  But, when we say that the Bible is inerrant, we mean in the original manuscripts.  And, we also mean that in God's message, the main themes of the Bible -- salvation and Christian living -- it is inerrant.

 

With almost 25,000 copies of the books of the Bible available, some made as early as the first century, and with the many secular and religious writings -- many dating back to the first and second century -- it has been suggested that, if all the Bibles in the world were somehow destroyed; the Bible could be recreated just as it is today except for many ten verses.   This speaks strongly for that Bible records and manuscripts and for the validity of the Bibles we have today.

 

And, this is why I always say that the Bible is the Holy Spirit inspired, inerrant (in the original manuscripts), literal Written Word of God.  When I say we should read the Bible literally -- what I am saying is that the best way to interpret the Bible is to first read the passage as being literal.  If the shoe fits, wear it -- that is your meaning.  If not, then look for a metaphorical, poetic, or symbolic meaning.   However, most of the Bible can be read literally.   God is not a God of confusion.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Chick,

There are some contradictions in the Bible

And, there are other copyist and translation errors in the Bible. 

it has been suggested that, if all the Bibles in the world were somehow destroyed; the Bible could be recreated just as it is today except for many ten verses.

 God is not a God of confusion.

Bill

I'm shocked that you admitted there is contradictions. Do you have a fever too?

If there's copyist & translation errors, then how do we know which is fact & which is error?

Your comment about the Bible being recreated except for "many ten verses" makes no sense.

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