THE JOB - URINE TEST

is this your less than evil twin? I agree with you again. am I on an episode of the twilight zone?

http://www.drugpolicy.org/news/10_21_02michigan.cfm

Seems its been considered.

DF

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Originally posted by monster:
is this your less than evil twin? I agree with you again. am I on an episode of the twilight zone?

I know a lot of you think that I am way way out to the left. Not true! I am in the middle. not far right or left. I am not liberal like some think. I guess I have a little of both liberal and conservative but not the kind of liberal most think I am. I think most judge me by what I am posting. I don't agree with everything I post. I enjoy keeping folks informed to what is going on. I work in the media.

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Originally posted by DeepFat:
http://www.drugpolicy.org/news/10_21_02michigan.cfm

Seems its been considered.

DF

They need to make it law DF! Somebody needs to put a bug in the ear of our State Reps.

I don't mean to hijack this, I too have had to take drugs test when I hired in on ever job & many radom drugs test, but one day at Browns Ferry while hiring in & waiting for all the defferent test at Midical, a Nurse called out my friends name & said we are ready for your "hearing test" , lol he spoke up fast & said NURSE !! I just took my "Urine Test" , My Opinion on any & all Drug Test for work places , schools or where ever, if ONE takes them , all should, even in Sports or School activitys if the cheer leaders & ball players take test, the Teachers & all the way up should have too, even Radom ones-- Please Excuse my Spelling & Grammer

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Originally posted by Bamafnatk:
I don't mean to hijack this, I too have had to take drugs test when I hired in on ever job & many radom drugs test, but one day at Browns Ferry while hiring in & waiting for all the defferent test at Midical, a Nurse called out my friends name & said we are ready for your "hearing test" , lol he spoke up fast & said NURSE !! I just took my "Urine Test" , My Opinion on any & all Drug Test for work places , schools or where ever, if ONE takes them , all should, even in Sports or School activitys if the cheer leaders & ball players take test, the Teachers & all the way up should have too, even Radom ones-- Please Excuse my Spelling & Grammer

I agree! fair play for all!

I don't think anyone not responsible for the lives of others (pilots, bus drivers, health care professionals, etc) or people and people with responsibility with regards to drugs (police, FBI, DEA) should be tested.

Some are going to take the easy way out and rely on the government when they could be doing for themselves. Is a person who fails a drug test any worse? If I understand correctly drug abuse like alcoholism is to some extent a disease and not a indicator of personal motivation or honest intent. People fall in and out but if they have minimal standards to fall back on (housing and food) I think we are better off in the long run.

I don't like the fact that my tax dollars could be used to purchase illegal drugs. if they buy smokes and beer, its not responsible use of their limited funds, but at least its legal and taxes are paid on those items.

What of the effects on the children who won't be fed or housed and will be taken from their parents?

Don't you also think we provide financial aid to murders, rapists, and all sorts of ilk?

maybe the parents will use the sense that God gave them, if they think their checks will stop rolling in. or just maybe the parents will be forced to work. ain't that a wonderful concept?

This has been bouncing around the internet for about two years now, to the extent that it is generally regarded as "spam". The concept, as far as I am concerned, is rock solid. If a worker has to pass a drug test to earn the tax dollars that will ultimately benefit the unemployed and/or unemployable, then they should certainly be held to the same legal standards as the worker. I would advocate background checks also and if criminality was discovered, then declare them ineligible. Now, I know some will declare that it is unfair to make their children suffer deprivation because of the parent but this intervention could result in removing the child/children from a dangerous or unstable home environment and place the under State HR care.

I quit taking urine tests when I retired.

Now that I find myself in agreement with PBA, I think it's time I took one.

Don't bud. You're probably pregnant.

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Originally posted by Phoenix Rising:
What of the effects on the children who won't be fed or housed and will be taken from their parents?

Don't you also think we provide financial aid to murders, rapists, and all sorts of ilk?

If they are drug heads the children need to be taken from them.

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Originally posted by budsfarm:
Now that I find myself in agreement with PBA, I think it's time I took one.

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Originally posted by Young Old Man:

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Originally posted by Phoenix Rising:
What of the effects on the children who won't be fed or housed and will be taken from their parents?

Don't you also think we provide financial aid to murders, rapists, and all sorts of ilk?

If they are drug heads the children need to be taken from them.

I would definitely support a law that made welfare recepients have drug testing!!!

If a person needs financial assistance for the "GOOD" of their kids, then THEY should have NO problem at all with being tested. IF they have a problem with it, then they need to stop with the drugs and use the money they bought drugs with to raise their kids.

Why should the taxpayers raise the kids while the parent spends insane amounts of money on drugs?????

It is a fair way of doing things.

We take random drug screens, and so should people getting our tax money.

I have random urine tests where I work too.I believe they should be tested.

not everyone in the workplace has to take drug tests...that first post was a chain email that ive seen several times. i take drug tests, but i am a gov't employee..but the number of people who are subject to testing is less than you would think. but i agree with the majority, if your on welfare you should have to a background check and random drug screens..but not all people on welfare are druggies, thats just a stereotype invented by rich white people

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Originally posted by vick13:
Don't bud. You're probably pregnant.

Wow, that would be two in as many days!

How many more miracles would I have to perform to be eligible for sainthood?

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Originally posted by thomaswayne0907:
not everyone in the workplace has to take drug tests...that first post was a chain email that ive seen several times. i take drug tests, but i am a gov't employee..but the number of people who are subject to testing is less than you would think. but i agree with the majority, if your on welfare you should have to a background check and random drug screens..but not all people on welfare are druggies, thats just a stereotype invented by rich white people

The point of it being an old email doesn't make it not worthy of discussion or opinion.

Random testing has a lot of different aspects to it with an employer. It isn't just how many names are kicked out of the computer this week, there are WAY more factors involved in the 'randomness' than most people think too. Some in which the person doing the "collecting" doesn't care to share with the people being tested.

Bottom line is I think that as cheap as it has become to do an illegal drug/alcohol test then each and every month BEFORE they get the freebies.

Tax money DESERVES that much guarantee that the parents DO have the best interest of the children at heart.

I agree with TWayne!!! You hit the nail on the ehad!!!

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Originally posted by thomaswayne0907:
not everyone in the workplace has to take drug tests...that first post was a chain email that ive seen several times. i take drug tests, but i am a gov't employee..but the number of people who are subject to testing is less than you would think. but i agree with the majority, if your on welfare you should have to a background check and random drug screens..but not all people on welfare are druggies, thats just a stereotype invented by rich white people

Stereotype invented by rich white people, surely you are NOT that racial, nor ignorant???? Please tell me you were just kidding with that remark!!!!

What a joke if you weren't.

SO you guys want to add a few hundred thousand kids to our foster care system, spend even less on feeding people and more on bureaucracy, and have tens of thousands of starving drug addicts on the street. You don't think that is going to cost more in the long run?

Hypothetical situation. I'm laid off from my job when Willie Nelson comes to town. I'm visiting with him on his bus. We play a little git-fiddle and eventually fire one up. I'm tested a month later and fail. Because of this one night with Willie my kids taken away and put into a foster home which we KNOW is better than having them in the household of a parent who smoked a joint with Willie. Meanwhile I'm out on the street with no address to put on a application for employment. I wind up getting stabbed by a deranged homeless man. Do to the hundred or so thousand kids who are placed in a bad home and forgotten about.

Now wouldn't just feeding people and ensuring they minimal living standards be cheaper on society in the long run. Wouldn't you feel better knowing the 80 cents on the dollar taken from your check to feed people was used to feed people and?

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Originally posted by Taciturn:

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Originally posted by budsfarm:
Now that I find myself in agreement with PBA, I think it's time I took one.

A pill.

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Originally posted by Kindred:

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Originally posted by thomaswayne0907:
not everyone in the workplace has to take drug tests...that first post was a chain email that ive seen several times. i take drug tests, but i am a gov't employee..but the number of people who are subject to testing is less than you would think. but i agree with the majority, if your on welfare you should have to a background check and random drug screens..but not all people on welfare are druggies, thats just a stereotype invented by rich white people

Stereotype invented by rich white people, surely you are NOT that racial, nor ignorant???? Please tell me you were just kidding with that remark!!!!

What a joke if you weren't.

KS, You really think all people on welfare are druggies? Think about his point KS,just a little please!

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Originally posted by PBA:

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Originally posted by Kindred:

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Originally posted by thomaswayne0907:
not everyone in the workplace has to take drug tests...that first post was a chain email that ive seen several times. i take drug tests, but i am a gov't employee..but the number of people who are subject to testing is less than you would think. but i agree with the majority, if your on welfare you should have to a background check and random drug screens..but not all people on welfare are druggies, thats just a stereotype invented by rich white people

Stereotype invented by rich white people, surely you are NOT that racial, nor ignorant???? Please tell me you were just kidding with that remark!!!!

What a joke if you weren't.

KS, You really think all people on welfare are druggies? Think about his point KS,just a little please!

PBA, you made the post, NOT ME. I should have stayed away from it, but no, I had to reply to it.

Anyway, WHERE did I say that people on welfare is on drugs???? JUST WHERE????

To get MY paycheck it takes random, so why does people who are on free rides just handed over everything without having to PROVE they are doing the best they can do with what they have to do with.

Your question does NOT fit my answer, not one single bit, maybe you should RE READ it.

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Originally posted by Kindred:

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Originally posted by PBA:

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Originally posted by Kindred:

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Originally posted by thomaswayne0907:
not everyone in the workplace has to take drug tests...that first post was a chain email that ive seen several times. i take drug tests, but i am a gov't employee..but the number of people who are subject to testing is less than you would think. but i agree with the majority, if your on welfare you should have to a background check and random drug screens..but not all people on welfare are druggies, thats just a stereotype invented by rich white people

Stereotype invented by rich white people, surely you are NOT that racial, nor ignorant???? Please tell me you were just kidding with that remark!!!!

What a joke if you weren't.

KS, You really think all people on welfare are druggies? Think about his point KS,just a little please!

PBA, you made the post, NOT ME. I should have stayed away from it, but no, I had to reply to it.

Anyway, WHERE did I say that people on welfare is on drugs???? JUST WHERE????

To get MY paycheck it takes random, so why does people who are on free rides just handed over everything without having to PROVE they are doing the best they can do with what they have to do with.

Your question does NOT fit my answer, not one single bit, maybe you should RE READ it.

KS, Iam not attacking you, Good lord giVe me a break! Is this not what you said?>> Stereotype invented by rich white people, surely you are NOT that racial, nor ignorant???? Please tell me you were just kidding with that remark!!!!

What a joke if you weren't<< You come on to thomaswayne0907 with that remark and I said,the man or women has a point. go back and read. I meant well and was just asking you.



Originally posted by thomaswayne0907:
not everyone in the workplace has to take drug tests...that first post was a chain email that ive seen several times. i take drug tests, but i am a gov't employee..but the number of people who are subject to testing is less than you would think. but i agree with the majority, if your on welfare you should have to a background check and random drug screens..but not all people on welfare are druggies, thats just a stereotype invented by rich white people


KS>>>Your question does NOT fit my answer, not one single bit, maybe you should RE READ it.<<KS

Not all people on welfare are druggies. This is what I was referring to.


"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people... it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

PBA, just forget it, you made a post, and then want to turn around and twist it to YOUR belief system.

I am not playing games anymore.

I used to try to understand you, but here lately, I just can't, it is just too hard.

PR, I don't want kids in foster care, on welfare, or deprived; therefore, the rule should be, "Don't breed'um if you can't feed'um". You should not propigate your genetics if you are going to create successive generations of welfare off spring that contribute little of nothing but an expense to the tax payer. Providing for your children is your responsibility, not the government...of course we know the government has no money, they have [IYOUR[/I] money.

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Originally posted by SHELDIVR:
PR, I don't want kids in foster care, on welfare, or deprived; therefore, the rule should be, "Don't breed'um if you can't feed'um". You should not propigate your genetics if you are going to create successive generations of welfare off spring that contribute little of nothing but an expense to the tax payer. Providing for your children is your responsibility, not the government...of course we know the government has no money, they have [IYOUR[/I] money.

I guess these deprived kids in foster care that get the goverment hand outs can hope for Jesus to come and divide bread and fish. Since our so called good chistian right winger people do not want any of their tax dollars going for such causes. Its more important for tax money to build bombs to bomb a country that was not a threat to us. God Bless American. Lord forgive us FOR our GREED! SOME PEOLE WOULD SELL THEIR SOUL FOR BIG OIL,MONEY,POWER!!!!!!!!!!!

Where would the rich be without poor people?
No cheap labor without the poor people. No one to wait on you hand and foot without the poor people.

Here is some thoughts to think over.
Have you ever read about the rich man in the Bible? If not, read it! Its ok to be rich but the rich needs to return and give some back.

The rich man went to hell, he ask God to let him go warn his brother, but it was too late.

After you once sell your soul, there is no getting it back. For the devil owns you forever.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people... it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

PBA, if you will re-read that scripture you will discover that the Bible does not say for the government to tax the rich and give it to the poor. It is intended that the rich should help the poor of their own volition and out of a generous spirit, not some government entity, extracting sum of money under the guise of "Redistribution of wealth".

The Bible also says, "The poor, they will be with you always..."

All well and good, guys.

So what does the Bible say about urine tests?

I once knew a man that got people to pee for him. He would pour what was in his bottle into their bottle when he got into the bathroom.

Bud, the urine test are not scriptural. They are not sanctioned nor forbidden in the Bible and the Holy Scripture says to not add to or take away from the words contained in the Bible. Therefore, one must conclude that urine test are not scriptural.

I strongly support the concept of drug testing from a purely secular point of view.

Taciturn, I once knew a man who did as you suggested when seeking employment and they called him in and told him they could not hire him because he lied on his application...seems the test showed he was female and three months pregnant.
Don't use your wife as a donor...

When I got hired at my current job, which happens to be with the U.S. Government, I had my credit checked, had to give fingerprints for a background check, they sent surveys out to my previous employers, neighbors and landlords from the past 5 years and even some character witnesses. However, the one thing they did not do is drug test. I was a little surprised that they went through this entire process and left that out. I guess I could smoke a joint everyday before work and that would be acceptable, but if I had bad credit then it would have been a deal breaker. Go figure...

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Originally posted by pintsize:
I could smoke a joint everyday before work and that would be acceptable, but if I had bad credit then it would have been a deal breaker. Go figure...

in positions that you have the ability to control large amounts of money, thats the way it should be.

I can understand the good credit part, but what's up with not doing drug tests. Should I be high on some illegal substance, I imagine I could do some major damage as well. I guess they are more concerned that we will embezzle money.

I think that's a good idea. Could some kind government provide me with the raw materials to allow me to generate my materials for the urine test? A six-pack of Blue Moon would do nicely.