http://www.time.com/time/magaz...9171,1983895,00.html

I do realize that no amount of research will change some of your minds Roll Eyes; just wanted to enlighten you.

Some points from the article:

The odds of a child being more aggressive at age 5 increased by 50% if he had been spanked more than twice in the month.

...her team accounted for varying levels of natural aggression in children, suggesting, she says, that "it's not just that children who are more aggressive are more likely to be spanked."

...spanking sets up a loop of bad behavior. Corporal punishment instills fear rather than understanding. Even if children stop tantrums when spanked, that doesn't mean they get why they shouldn't have been acting up in the first place. What's more, spanking sets a bad example, teaching children that aggressive behavior is a solution to their parents' problems.

The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) does not endorse spanking under any circumstance.
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The long term effects of spanking (when used properly)are happy, responsible,law abiding adults!
On the other hand there are parents that spank their children because they are angry, want revenge. Spanking should only be a tool to correct unacceptable behavior and even then should only be done for the more serious offenses because if it is used to often it can begin to loose its effectiveness. For the minor stuff a time out, grounding, taking their cell phone, etc can also be effective tools.
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Originally posted by BFred07:
The long term effects of spanking (when used properly)are happy, responsible,law abiding adults!
On the other hand there are parents that spank their children because they are angry, want revenge. Spanking should only be a tool to correct unacceptable behavior and even then should only be done for the more serious offenses because if it is used to often it can begin to loose its effectiveness. For the minor stuff a time out, grounding, taking their cell phone, etc can also be effective tools.


Hey there, Fred. Long time no argue, huh? Big Grin I'm sorry but you totally missed the point of the study's findings. It does not say that spanking is okay, as long as it's used sparingly; it says that ALL spanking makes children more aggressive. Period.
Personal experience and observation clearly indicates this was another study with preconceived results. Lack of discipline (corporal) has resulted in and continues to result in the mindless, unmotivated, uncaring and free-spirits we see daily. No one is responsible for anything. It just happens. Also, Time magazine represents nothing and is a waste of paper.
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Originally posted by BFred07:
The long term effects of spanking (when used properly)are happy, responsible,law abiding adults!
On the other hand there are parents that spank their children because they are angry, want revenge. Spanking should only be a tool to correct unacceptable behavior and even then should only be done for the more serious offenses because if it is used to often it can begin to loose its effectiveness. For the minor stuff a time out, grounding, taking their cell phone, etc can also be effective tools.



taking their cell phone?

Thats the major reason spankings are needed...SPOILED children.
OK, I have to say something. Every single person I went to school with and every single friend I have was "paddled" or "spanked" as a child. I have two children, both were spanked as needed. NONE of these people I am still in contact with are aggressive or abusive. We spanked only when necessary, and as the children grew it became less frequent. I can't remember spanking our kids after they got around 9-10 or so. At that point they began to pay attention and LISTEN to us better. We have friends who refuse to spank and to be honest, nobody wants their kids around because they are rude pushy little jerks. Of course it's partly that they have been too lazy or ignorant to properly discipline in any way. Point is, all of us who grew up in the '50s and '60s were spanked. I have no doubt if you look at percentages from each decade, there is more physical violence and misbehavior now than ever before. And don't forget the impact of video games and other forms of "entertainment" that promote violence. It's not all due to spanking. I shouldn't need to add this, but, I'm not supporting child abuse and beating. There IS a difference.
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Originally posted by longawaiting:
Personal experience and observation clearly indicates this was another study with preconceived results. Lack of discipline (corporal) has resulted in and continues to result in the mindless, unmotivated, uncaring and free-spirits we see daily. No one is responsible for anything. It just happens. Also, Time magazine represents nothing and is a waste of paper.


How could the results be preconceived when they were studying children? You think someone tipped the kids off to the study? LOL!

So being spanked somehow makes you a responsible adult, but being put in timeout and other measures does not? Care to explain? Chances are excellent that you can't. Spanking is the only discipline, huh? Comical.

Yeah, Time magazine is a waste of paper just like the folks on Fox News are a waste of air space.
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Originally posted by JaneYIS:
OK, I have to say something. Every single person I went to school with and every single friend I have was "paddled" or "spanked" as a child. I have two children, both were spanked as needed. NONE of these people I am still in contact with are aggressive or abusive. We spanked only when necessary, and as the children grew it became less frequent. I can't remember spanking our kids after they got around 9-10 or so. At that point they began to pay attention and LISTEN to us better. We have friends who refuse to spank and to be honest, nobody wants their kids around because they are rude pushy little jerks. Of course it's partly that they have been too lazy or ignorant to properly discipline in any way. Point is, all of us who grew up in the '50s and '60s were spanked. I have no doubt if you look at percentages from each decade, there is more physical violence and misbehavior now than ever before. And don't forget the impact of video games and other forms of "entertainment" that promote violence. It's not all due to spanking. I shouldn't need to add this, but, I'm not supporting child abuse and beating. There IS a difference.


What's in bold is BS. I know too many parents, including myself, that did not spank and have happy, healthy, productive, non-aggressive, non-violent children. Typical response.
I agree and disagree! My parents used all manner of discipline from grounding, time-outs, loss of privileges and an a occasional spanking when the infraction warranted one. I am extremely responsible, employed, have never been arrested, or never showed up on my parent's doorstep pregnant. I think they did a fairly good job, no arrogance intended. AND they spanked me.
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Originally posted by CageTheElephant:
What B.S.
Not even worth rebuttal.


Yes, Tulane University - a world renowned research university - is known for their many bunk studies.


No, I don't need some "renowned research"...I have the "experience based FACTS"...
Got my azz "lit" several times as a kid. AND, yes! I "avoided" future similar acts...
if i cared enough to spend the time, i'm sure i could find a study that 'proved' the exact opposite.

there are few 'studies' done any more that aren't preconcieved before they start.

a groupe of people said ' hey .. i hate spanking.. lets go do and publish a study that shows how bad it is'

the same type of scientific studies have 'proven' plain old vanilla male+female porn movies leads directly to child molestation.

i understand you're point, buttercup... but i don't buy the study. you believe it because it's something you already believe in.

i know kids that were never spanked who are absolout horrors, and we aren't friends with those parents anymore because we didn't want to be around those spoiled obnoxious brats.
to be fair i also know a couple kids who weren't spanked and are ok normal kids.
i don't know any kids that were spanked properly, (not abused, not mistreated, not spanked in anger) that are as obnoxious as the kids who run roughshod over their parents because they know there are no consqunces.
they had their cells phones taken away. the kids went into the parents bedroom and ransaked it until they found them. the driving privlidges were revoked. they took the car anyway. because they knew, from years of experiance, that nothing would ever happen except a little more yelling and fussing.

i do know one child that wasn't spanked... was a horrible horrible child.. rotten little brat.. didn't want to be around her.
now, she's starting college, and is a phenomenal human being.

all i know for sure is this.
i know more rotten children, personally, that wern't spanked, than good ones, and know more good spankees that are good kids than rotten ones.
call it a 'Study' based on personal experiance and now sitting and watching and waiting for evidence that proved my point.

BUT.. after all that, i still say /Cheers!.. the world needs all of us.. if everyone was alike, this would be a bloody boring place to live Smiler
Vive la Differance!
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Originally posted by Buttercup:


Hey there, Fred. Long time no argue, huh? Big Grin I'm sorry but you totally missed the point of the study's findings. It does not say that spanking is okay, as long as it's used sparingly; it says that ALL spanking makes children more aggressive. Period.


I was not agreeing with the article, I was just stating my own humble opinion.

Spanking is not bad for kids, when my older kids were younger they were spanked for things like playing with an electrical socket, jumping on the couch, climbing on the counters, and other crap that could get them hurt. Those were the things that I wanted/needed to quickly get across to them that they were not going to do again because I did not want them to be injured. I have a younger one now that occasionally gets a spanking for the same type things and for the most part spanking offenses for my kids fell into the perimeter of things that could get them hurt. Other things have been like once my 2nd oldest son was told to go to time out, he didn't think he should have to and argued and straight out said he wasn't going to time out, so I whipped his little tail into time out and there was no more argument about it! Well anyway, so far so good. My older kids have turned out pretty well and my smaller ones are well behaved. My kids do not seem to be overly aggressive, they are well adjusted,made good grades through school, had plenty of friends, and the older ones are in college and holding jobs...now if I could just get them to handle their money a bit more responsibly, wonder if spanking an 18 & 21 year old might help that problem?

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