I agree that some misinterpret the Bible, but when the Bible says marriage is between a man and woman, there is nothing to misinterpret. The SC I know did misinterpret what the constitution says and put in their own interpretation. I can change the meaning about a lot of things with my own interpretation, but that does not make it necessarily right. One thing for sure, no one can make me or you change our opinion on anything if we do not want them to. God knew exactly what He was doing when He gave us His plan for mankind, but as usual we seem somehow to mess things up. Laws can change, come and go, but Gods law is the yesterday, today, and forever. Right is still right, wrong is still wrong.
Originally Posted by Old American:
Laws can change, come and go, but Gods law is the yesterday, today, and forever.
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LOL! Like the restrictions on eating pork and shellfish, having tattoos, wearing clothes with multiple types of fibers? Is slavery still okay? Multiple wives? Do you have any photographs in your house? Weren't those all God's law?
I've heard you make the above statement at times about Mosaic Law.
Did Jesus make new laws concerning food for one thing. I don't believe
we as Gentile Christians are bound to Mosaic law.
One example might be Mark 7: 18-23
18 He said to them, "Are even you likewise without understanding? Do you not realize that everything that goes into a person from outside cannot defile,
19 since it enters not the heart but the stomach and passes out into the latrine?" (Thus he declared all foods clean.)
20 "But what comes out of a person, that is what defiles.
21 From within people, from their hearts, come evil thoughts, unchastity, theft, murder,
22 adultery, greed, malice, deceit, licentiousness, envy, blasphemy, arrogance, folly.
23 All these evils come from within and they defile."
We live under the laws Jesus died on the cross for, not the Old Testament Law. There are no restrictions on food as long as it is received with thanksgiving. If you are trying to live under the Old Testament, do you go to Jerusalem once each year to have your sins rolled back? They had to, but Jesus died for our sins and no one has to do that anymore. Read the entire Bible and you will see that this was Gods plan for man since the beginning. I would be careful about putting lol about anything that has to do with God.
As you can see from my above post that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. It was foretold throughout the Old Testament what would happen over time.
Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
Originally Posted by Old American:
The SC has way too much power. It should be done away with and let the people have the say, not them!
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Flunked Civics class? Or just slept through it?
WAAAAY too many people obviously slept thru 7th grade Cvics., now they are left with only ignorance and bigotry instead of enlightenment.
Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
Originally Posted by Old American:
The SC has way too much power. It should be done away with and let the people have the say, not them!
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Flunked Civics class? Or just slept through it?
WAAAAY too many people obviously slept thru 7th grade Cvics., now they are left with only ignorance and bigotry instead of enlightenment.
Dosen't make a hoot in Hades what other people do or who they choose to marry. I have not reached yet the point where I think I can take over God's job to judge others, but aparantely there a lot of people who have.
God is the judge, the only judge. If you believe The Bible and you point out something contrary to His word, that is not you judging but God judging. If Gods word says to do something and you do not it is wrong, or if it tells you to not do something and you do that then it is wrong. That is not me or anyone else judging, but God judging. It is our right to believe Gods word or not believe Gods word. If we choose not to believe that still does not change His word. This should not be hard to comprehend.
If you read the bible and believe it to be true,
Then you know that your god KILLS BABIES.
You worship a god who KILLS BABIES.
In the mideast, the muslim church controls the governments. After seeing what that got them, do you want a government based on someones interpretation of the King James bible? Think about the arguments between various Christian churches.
You can believe whatever you want to. I will believe in God. If you do not believe in God, you will be the one held responsible, not me. I will be held responsible for what I believe. If you like the way our country is going then keep voting the idiots in, not me. If you do not like or disagree with the way God chose to do things you will have the opportunity to ask Him on judgement day. We have the privilege to express our belief and thoughts whether we agree or not.
Also, I did not say anything about the Church running the government. What I said was we need someone who has a little common sense, good morals, and has the public interest in mind instead of letting some group of nuts try to rule for everyone. The Muslin church as you say is certainly not what I had in mind nor was what we need. Good people is what we need and if you feel that's what we now have vote for them, not me.
Originally Posted by jtdavis:
In the mideast, the muslim church controls the governments. After seeing what that got them, do you want a government based on someones interpretation of the King James bible? Think about the arguments between various Christian churches.
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And will soon be running this country, but you have no problem with that. I'm an atheist that will take King James over the koran anytime. I don't want either one, but all the warning in the world won't keep them from pushing until it happens. The lefties are always posting their crap against religion, EXCEPT about islam. Some of the more blatant two faced ones will post when it's something they agree with such as denying rights to gays. That is one thing muslims and some Christians agree on.
Originally Posted by Jack Flash:
I've heard you make the above statement at times about Mosaic Law.
Did Jesus make new laws concerning food for one thing. I don't believe
we as Gentile Christians are bound to Mosaic law.
One example might be Mark 7: 18-23
18 He said to them, "Are even you likewise without understanding? Do you not realize that everything that goes into a person from outside cannot defile,
19 since it enters not the heart but the stomach and passes out into the latrine?" (Thus he declared all foods clean.)
20 "But what comes out of a person, that is what defiles.
21 From within people, from their hearts, come evil thoughts, unchastity, theft, murder,
22 adultery, greed, malice, deceit, licentiousness, envy, blasphemy, arrogance, folly.
23 All these evils come from within and they defile."
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Address my point, Jack. Did the "God's Law" change or didn't it?
Originally Posted by Old American:
We live under the laws Jesus died on the cross for, not the Old Testament Law. There are no restrictions on food as long as it is received with thanksgiving. If you are trying to live under the Old Testament, do you go to Jerusalem once each year to have your sins rolled back? They had to, but Jesus died for our sins and no one has to do that anymore. Read the entire Bible and you will see that this was Gods plan for man since the beginning. I would be careful about putting lol about anything that has to do with God.
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17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."
I have it on good authority that God and Jesus are still at work here on earth and in heaven.
That is right, Jesus did not come to destroy the Law but to fulfill it. We are no longer under the Old Law but under the Perfect Law Of Liberty. James:1:25, Colossians 2:14, 1 Corinthians 13:10. Jesus was our sacrifice for our sins. Gods word was from the beginning and will be forever after Heaven and Earth as we know it has passed away. God and Jesus and the Holy Spitit are alive today and will be forever. Gods plan for mankind was in the beginning and will continue forever. Read 2 Timothy 3:16,17.When Jesus died on the cross, He nailed the Old Law to it and brought forth the New Law, the one we live under today.
Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
Originally Posted by Jack Flash:
I've heard you make the above statement at times about Mosaic Law.
Did Jesus make new laws concerning food for one thing. I don't believe
we as Gentile Christians are bound to Mosaic law.
One example might be Mark 7: 18-23
18 He said to them, "Are even you likewise without understanding? Do you not realize that everything that goes into a person from outside cannot defile,
19 since it enters not the heart but the stomach and passes out into the latrine?" (Thus he declared all foods clean.)
20 "But what comes out of a person, that is what defiles.
21 From within people, from their hearts, come evil thoughts, unchastity, theft, murder,
22 adultery, greed, malice, deceit, licentiousness, envy, blasphemy, arrogance, folly.
23 All these evils come from within and they defile."
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Address my point, Jack. Did the "God's Law" change or didn't it?
Crusty, the law didn't change, Jesus made new. You may still be bound
to the old Mosaic Law if that's what you wish as a Jew.
I myself can eat catfish, pork, strangled and bloody things and as a bonus,
the SC said I can marry my dog, even my male dog or my male cousin.
I'm seriously leaning toward my lesbian auntie with all the money.
You can still get drunk but the new law says no you can't but you can
knock yourself out on weed if you have a headache.
So there you go.
So God changed his mind, and somehow went about creating new law without changing old. Double talk.
Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
So God changed his mind, and somehow went about creating new law without changing old. Double talk.
He might have just made it more comfortable for non Jews. But I still wouldn't
touch the glass they drink out of, picky about their food.
Read Galations 3:23-29 and it will tell you the reason we are now under the New Law verses the Old Law. Very easy to understand. New Law being the Law of Christ.
Galations 3: 23-29
23- But before faith came we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24- wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25- But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26- For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27- For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28- There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female; for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29- And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Originally Posted by Old American:
Read Galations 3:23-29 and it will tell you the reason we are now under the New Law verses the Old Law. Very easy to understand. New Law being the Law of Christ.
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Point well taken, Old A., but there are many so-called Christians who buy into the nitwit notion that the Jews are still God's chosen people and that the Jewish Temple, complete with animal sacrifices, will be restored in Jerusalem. Such deluded folks need to read Hebrews 8-10 and get their minds right.
Prior to the coming of Jesus, while the Jews were called to be God's chosen -- a burden, not a blessing. to be bound by the Mosaic code, Gentiles were not excluded from worshiping God or sharing in the world to come. The Righteous Gentiles were bound to the seven laws of Noah -- the Noahide Laws. From Wiki:
The seven Noahide laws as traditionally enumerated are:[7]
- Do not deny God.
- Do not blaspheme God.
- Do not murder.
- Do not engage in incest, adultery, pederasty or bestiality,[8] as well as homosexual relations.[9][10]
- Do not steal.
- Do not eat of a live animal.
- Establish courts/legal system to ensure law and obedience.
Fairly simple and easy to understand, I assume that Jesus changed these, to a point, as well. Don't ask me which, I find them easy to obey, excepting. perhaps eating oysters on the half shell. Does eating the critter whole count?