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Change is coming to America. One way or another we are going to see a new President in 2009. Change does not necessarily mean progress. Women understand this better than men, after all, they are the "slaves of fashion," and fashion changes every season. We men don't usually get it. For us change is accomplished with the TV remote.

Politicians, if they are any good at being politicians, change with the shifting public opinion. If they are not good at it, they are not good politicians. Elected officials need to work like actors. They have to be competent to act out the will of the electorate. What a politician needs is a set of basic principals that match the principals of the people. The people need to understand that there are some genuing principals embodied in the United States. We, the people, need to understand that a corporate tyranny is no different from a government tyranny. We need to be united against all tyranny.

This is why I find myself supporting more than one Democrat running for President of the USA. I think two, perhaps three of the present candidates represent the fundamental principals of the USA. Barak Obama, Bill Richardson, and John Edwards. Of the three, I think that John Edwards is the most dedicated to these principals. His foundation is the strength of the working middle class. And his constituency is the working middle class.

Here is how he puts it.

"I may be the underdog in this campaign, running against two candidates with more than $200 million between them ? but the real underdogs are the middle class and those without a voice in America today.

They are losing ground while the CEOs of huge corporations pocket million dollar bonuses and corporate lobbyists get their way and promote their special interests in Washington.

While ExxonMobil rakes in record profits and receives government handouts, gas prices are going through the roof, oil has skyrocketed to $100 a barrel and the middle class is paying through the nose at the pump.

Meanwhile, 200,000 veterans ? men and women who proudly wore America's uniform and served with honor on behalf of our country ? will sleep tonight under bridges and on grates, ignored and uncared for by their government.

I know you cannot negotiate with the entrenched, moneyed interests who are strangling our government. You have to fight them and stand up to them. That is what I have done my whole life ? and that's exactly what I intend to do as president of the United States."

He was alone in making that statement, because, until an incident in a New Hampshire coffee shop, no one else had said it.

I feel like I have missed a deadline with this article. The Clinton Tears have been examined, cross examined, deconstructed and reconstituted a few million times over the past few days and the New Hampshire Primary has entered the realm of election theft conspiracy. Still I have not seen a single comment that fits my own thoughts on "Clinton chokes on her own words." The words are what should be examined, along with the emotion behind them. She said, "I am passionate" about this. Paused, composed herself, looked directly into a camera, one of several on the scene, and said, "I have so many opportunities from this country. I just don't want to see us fall backwards." I can imagine myself going all emotional on that comment. I can imagine any American in today's political atmosphere choking up on the same thoughts. I am passionate too. We all have so many opportunities from this country. I don't want to see us regress any further. The working class in American is what made America.

Investment is important, but it is the person in the mine or the factory who built this nation, and they, or rather we, deserve a fair share of the profits.

There are three candidates who get it, and until that incident, I did not think Hillary Clinton was in that group.

John Edwards has been saying it from the beginning. He has been promising to stand for working people. It is his major position. Barack Obama gets it, it is the story of his life, his biography if you will. Bill Richardson dropped out of the race.

Those three, until the day before the New Hampshire Primary, have a genuine interest in the general welfare of this nation. They do not represent great aristocratic fortunes. Their biographies are not quite rags to riches stories, and not one of them will claim to have done it all alone, but they do exemplify the best of the "American Dream."

I would contend that anyone who does not get at least a little choked up thinking about the possibility of progress for the working people of this nation is either a fool, a swindler or a Republibot.
"The essence of all religions is one. Only their approaches are different." ~Mahatma Gandhi
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Karl,

What exactly do you want Edwards to do for the working people. I keep hearing all this talk about "standing up for the working people" but no specifics. So if Edwards is elected President, just what specificially do you want him to do for the working people?

How about lowering taxes including property taxes for the working class?

By the way if you bought the tears from Hillary you are easily swayed.
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Originally posted by Jobe:
Karl,

What exactly do you want Edwards to do for the working people. I keep hearing all this talk about "standing up for the working people" but no specifics. So if Edwards is elected President, just what specificially do you want him to do for the working people?

How about lowering taxes including property taxes for the working class?

By the way if you bought the tears from Hillary you are easily swayed.
Jobe, from what I read here, you need to do some homework. Edwards has been presenting a set of proposals with at least some detail, since 2004, when he was running for the nomination that went to Kerry. I don't think ANYONE who has been well served by the media would be ignorant of his positions, his proposals or his specific plans. I will not speak for him, but you need to either listen to him, or at least stop regurgitating the brown sugar that is being fed to you by the Radical Right Wing Reactionary Radio station you are apparently addicted to.
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Originally posted by Karl Leuba:
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Originally posted by Jobe:
Karl,

What exactly do you want Edwards to do for the working people. I keep hearing all this talk about "standing up for the working people" but no specifics. So if Edwards is elected President, just what specificially do you want him to do for the working people?

How about lowering taxes including property taxes for the working class?

By the way if you bought the tears from Hillary you are easily swayed.
Jobe, from what I read here, you need to do some homework. Edwards has been presenting a set of proposals with at least some detail, since 2004, when he was running for the nomination that went to Kerry. I don't think ANYONE who has been well served by the media would be ignorant of his positions, his proposals or his specific plans. I will not speak for him, but you need to either listen to him, or at least stop regurgitating the brown sugar that is being fed to you by the Radical Right Wing Reactionary Radio station you are apparently addicted to.


It seems that anyone that could write such a lengthy post could tell me specifics about what they want their hero to do. I don't think you know any specifics so tell me what you would want your Democratic President to do for the working people and leave Edwards out of it.
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Originally posted by CrimsonThor:
I'm voting for Edwards. The difference between Karl Leuba and I on that point is that I don't feel the need to explain it to anybody. And Jobe, I assume you aren't really looking to be persuaded. If you want to know the specifics of each candidates platform then go to their websites.



Well Karl doesn't feel a need to explain either. If someone is going to put up a lengthy post they should be able to answer questions. I wasn't trying to be tricky, I just wanted to know how anyone intends on helping the working man while making generalities.

I'm now asking Karl what he would like for his President to do specificially for the working people and so far he is at a lost for words.

Why does it trouble you for me to ask Karl questions about his statements? Are we not suppose to comment?

Karl sure got unpleasant when I ask him to be specific.
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Jobe, I thought I had first off he said this, "I know you cannot negotiate with the entrenched, moneyed interests who are strangling our government. You have to fight them and stand up to them. That is what I have done my whole life, and that's exactly what I intend to do as president of the United States."
That is the first of a long litany. He is offering a health care plan that is uncompromising, he is offering a withdrawal plan for Iraq that is CLEAR AS A BELL. He is suggesting that the "temporary" tax cuts passed under the Bush administration should be allowed to expire, and be replaced with a REAL cut for the working class.

If you have not seen and read that of his positions, please have the intelligence to stay quiet until you have the facts. I HAVE THEM, AND HAVE HAD THEM FOR SOME TIME. It is YOU who is misinformed.
Sassy, You are caught. I said Richardson dropped from the race.
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John Edwards has been saying it from the beginning. He has been promising to stand for working people. It is his major position. Barack Obama gets it, it is the story of his life, his biography if you will. Bill Richardson dropped out of the race.
Those are MY WORDS.

I suppose that you did not read what I wrote, or are permitting your "hatred" of all things "liberal" to interfere with your comprehension.
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do you have chidren? would you not be proud if ur child wantd to be a lawyer?


If my child made a living out of suing obstetricians when a child was born with cerebral palsy or suing psychiatrists when a patient committed suicide, I make him change his last name.

There are a lot of good doctors who are no longer practicing thanks to Edwards. Malpractice insurance rates are through the roof and you can thank your buddy John for that.

There are good lawyers who are out to help people and there are bad ones who are simply out to make a buck. Look up Edwards' past history and you'll see he's one of the latter. That's one reason why I'll vote against him. Plus all of his ideas will cost quite a bit of money. The more money a plan costs, the more our taxes increase and the bigger the government gets. We need the opposite, so I'm voting for the opposite.
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Sassy, You are caught. I said Richardson dropped from the race.
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John Edwards has been saying it from the beginning. He has been promising to stand for working people. It is his major position. Barack Obama gets it, it is the story of his life, his biography if you will. Bill Richardson dropped out of the race.
Those are MY WORDS.

I suppose that you did not read what I wrote, or are permitting your "hatred" of all things "liberal" to interfere with your comprehension.


I was making sure everybody knew that he had dropped out. I'm telling everbody. Bill Richardson has dropped out.

And John Edwards is an Ambulance Chaser.
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Originally posted by puppy love:
edwards has my vote too!why do you say that sassy , because hes a lawyer. edwards father was middle class and workd hard to put him thru college to be a lawyer. do you have chidren? would you not be proud if ur child wantd to be a lawyer?every us citizen deserves counsel if needed and thats what they get!


No. I would not be proud for any child of mine, or any family of mine, to sink so low as to become a bottom slime sue happy scum like Edwards, who's only mission in life is to get as deep into the pockets of malpractice insurance as he can without actually going to a courtroom.
Edwards is just trying to get his name out there a little so he can have a shot at VP. If he can show he has support running on his own, he becomes a more viable running mate.

I think Kerry's endorsement will hurt Obama. I really think Hillery may get the democratic nomination which means our next president will be republican.

I think that Ron Paul will start using his money closer to February 5th. He had a decent showing in Iowa, but he knew due to the press ignoring him (Fox didn't even invite him to a debate which is completely shameful on their part) it would be a waste of money to go for NH. There are already Ron Paul billboards going up on I-24, we'll see a sudden flood of Ron Paul ads at the end of the month. I don't know if it will be enough to earn him the nomination.

Thompson may have a good showing in the South, but he screwed up his campaign completely. He had a surge of popularity during the summer, but he let the surge drop before announcing. Then he took to long to start pushing in Iowa and was left behind. I think he'll drop out after Feb 5th.

Unfortunately, this appears as if another vote for the lesser evil election. I think Romney may end up with the nomination. I'm no fan of his, but since I'm for a smaller government, I can't vote for a democrat. Looks like another 4 years of the same old same old.
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Originally posted by Karl Leuba:
Jobe, I thought I had first off he said this, "I know you cannot negotiate with the entrenched, moneyed interests who are strangling our government. You have to fight them and stand up to them. That is what I have done my whole life, and that's exactly what I intend to do as president of the United States."
That is the first of a long litany. He is offering a health care plan that is uncompromising, he is offering a withdrawal plan for Iraq that is CLEAR AS A BELL. He is suggesting that the "temporary" tax cuts passed under the Bush administration should be allowed to expire, and be replaced with a REAL cut for the working class.

If you have not seen and read that of his positions, please have the intelligence to stay quiet until you have the facts. I HAVE THEM, AND HAVE HAD THEM FOR SOME TIME. It is YOU who is misinformed.


Did I say you were misinformed? Sorry the question was a nuisance to you. I thought it was an easy question. My bad.
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Here is a synopsis of Senator Edwards major trials: http://news.findlaw.com/newsmakers/john.edwards.html


This is from Findlaw, and hardly radical stuff at all. There are a lot of hit pieces from Kate O'Beirne, and all the other usual suspects appended.

One will find that the majority of his obstetrics cases were from a physician failing to adequately diagnose fetal distress or to insist upon a vaginal delivery instead of a C-section.

Some of them are gruesome: a young girl disemboweled from a faulty drain in a swimming pool, an 850 lb. delivery box falling upon the person accepting delivering him a quadriplegic, etc.

Better than Mme. Clinton getting fat off of her "corporate" practice in Little Rock and siting on the Wal/China Mart for years.

One may consider John Edwards recent epiphany as being the same that hit Robert Kennedy, why Joe McCarthy was Kathleen Kennedy's godfather! But we know that Bobby changed his tune once he had matured politically and chronologically, now didn't he?

I would not write off Edwards just yet: he has vowed to take his delegates to the convention floor. So far, Iowa and New Hampshire to date, and Wyoming with its one representative in Congress for the Republics.

Senators Webb and Tester pulled off great feats in the recent past, and I expect the new guard of the Democratic Party to do the same, the non-DLC "doesn't always play well with the Republics" new school Democrats that are coming of age. People who have seen Nafta, Cafta and the WTO and wish to be shed of it and all the "free trade" fetish and to institute "fair trade" and non-interventionism as the main planks of their platforms.

One is never ceased to be floored at how people vote continually against their own best interests in this country. But then again, it is largely a game, a scripted variety of roles and only the chosen get to play after they have been anointed by the big wigs to pay for their ads.

Frankly, I think it is time for some new actors, writers, producers and directors to be brought in to save the show, myself.
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Originally posted by Howard Roark:
Sassy,

Karl spewed out his little rant with no great surprises. He claims to be passionate, but passion without reason usually translates to action withourt result.

Karl champions a vain ambulance chaser who's never passed a mirror with glancing in it.


Yeah, I know. John Edward's monthly haircut bill could feed a family of six for half a year. Some "champion of the middle class".
Karl,
The three Dem. canidates actually are the antithesis of what the foundation of this country are....how in the world do you see them, especially Edwards, as lining up with American foundation.
They all want higher taxes, more gov't funded programs(huge increase in spending), more gov't regulations of YOUR life.....is that warmin the soup for you???? Just those three points completely erase your blind notion of any of these being based on strong principal emobdied by the United States of American. And blind voting for any one of these three is why this country is in trouble. Folks have no clue what they are voting for, or what true American principals are.

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