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On or about DEC-21, the daytime is at a minimum and the nighttime is at a maximum. This is the winter solstice. Humans living millennia ago were far more aware of the shortening day, an apparent pause, and then a gradual lengthening of the daylight hours in late December. Living in a pre-scientific era, many cultures were terrified that the daylight interval would continue to shorten, causing an end to life on Earth. So the winter solstice or the days immediately following the solstice were a time of great celebration. Ancient faiths attributed a major religious theme to the solstice: it was a time of the birth of a new God to replace the old, dying deity. Implicit in this is the hope for a new warm season and a return to the earth's fertility.

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The historical origins of religious observances in December:

The celebrations of various religions are tied directly or indirectly to the earth's tilt on its axis:

 

bulletWiccans, and other Neopagans celebrate Yule, which is their name for the Winter Solstice.

bulletThe American Atheistsand local Atheist groups have chosen to have celebrations on the solstice which they call by various names: the Great North Texas Infidel Bash, the Winter Solstice bash, the Winter Solstice Parties, etc. Again, their day is tied to the solstice

bulletNova Romans, celebrate Saturnalia, an ancient Roman holiday. This was the Festival of Saturn which was gradually extended in duration until it became a seven day observance from DEC-17 to 23 each year. The Romans decorated living trees outside their homes, and hung garlands, wreathes and other decorations on their doorways, windows, and stairs. It was also observed at the winter solstice. 2

bulletAncient Rome: In the religious melting pot which was the Mediterranean in ancient times, there were many celebrations of the births of saviors at this season:

bulletThe ancient Roman Pagan religion celebrated the birth of one of their Gods, Attis, in December of each year. Attis was born of the virgin Nana. He was sacrificed as an adult in order to bring salvation to mankind. He died about MAR-25, after being crucified on a tree, and descended for three days into the underworld. On Sunday, he arose, "as the solar deity for the new season." 5 His followers tied an image of Attis to a tree on "Black Friday," and carried him in a procession to the temple. His body was symbolically eaten by his followers in the form of bread. Worship of Attis began in Rome circa 200 BCE.

bulletThe Babylonians celebrated their "Victory of the Sun-God" Festival on DEC-25.

bulletThe followers of the Pagan mystery religion Mithraism observed the birth of the savior Mithra, the "Deus sol invictus" ("unconquered sun"). Their God was believed to have been born on DEC-25, circa 500 BCE. His birth was witnessed by shepherds and by gift-carrying Magi. This date was celebrated as the "Dies Natalis Solic Invite," The "Birthday of the Unconquered Sun" each year. Some followers believed that he was born of a virgin. During his life, he performed many miracles, cured many illnesses, and cast out devils. He celebrated a Last Supper with his 12 disciples. He ascended to heaven at the time of the spring equinox, about March 21.

The Roman Emperor Aurelian (circa 214-275 CE) blended Saturnalia with a number of birth celebrations of savior Gods from other religions, into a single holy day: DEC-25. At the time, the various Christian movements were not recognized as legitimate religions. They were subject to intermittent oppression. This new holy day partially lost its close connection to the Winter Solstice.

bulletChristianity: By the third century CE the main surviving Christian movement who were spiritual descendents of the first century CE Pauline Christians, had forgotten Yeshua of Nazareth's (Jesus Christ's) birth day. An anonymous third century document "The DePascha Computus," "placed Jesus birth on March 28. Clement, a bishop of Alexandria (d. ca. 215 CE), thought Jesus was born on November 18." 3 After much argument, the developing Christian church adopted the Pagan Emperor Aurelian's date as the birthday of their savior.

Since the people of the Roman Empire were accustomed to celebrating the birth of various Gods on that day, it was easy for the church to divert people's attention to Jesus' birth. The earliest Christmas holidays were celebrated in the same way as Saturnalia. They involved drinking, sexual indulgence, and singing naked in the streets. These practices have long since been abandoned, although naked singing evolved into modern caroling. According to the Judaism Online web site: "Some of the most depraved customs of the Saturnalia carnival were intentionally revived by the Catholic Church in 1466 when Pope Paul II, for the amusement of his Roman citizens, forced Jews to race naked through the streets of the city.
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Now the real reason for CHRISTmas

 

 

This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit. Because Joseph her husband was a righteous man and did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly.

 

But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, "Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins." 

 When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.

 

After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem and asked, "Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star in the east and have come to worship him."

When King Herod heard this he was disturbed, and all Jerusalem with him. When he had called together all the people's chief priests and teachers of the law, he asked them where the Christ was to be born. "In Bethlehem in Judea," they replied, "for this is what the prophet has written: "'But you, Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, are by no means least among the rulers of Judah; for out of you will come a ruler who will be the shepherd of my people Israel.'" Then Herod called the Magi secretly and found out from them the exact time the star had appeared. He sent them to Bethlehem and said, "Go and make a careful search for the child. As soon as you find him, report to me, so that I too may go and worship him."

After they had heard the king, they went on their way, and the star they had seen in the east went ahead of them until it stopped over the place where the child was. When they saw the star, they were overjoyed.

 

On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold and of incense and of myrrh. And having been warned in a dream not to go back to Herod, they returned to their country by another route.

When they had gone, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream. "Get up," he said, "take the child and his mother and escape to Egypt. Stay there until I tell you, for Herod is going to search for the child to kill him."

 

So he got up, took the child and his mother during the night and left for Egypt, where he stayed until the death of Herod. And so was fulfilled what the Lord had said through the prophet: "Out of Egypt I called my son."

When Herod realized that he had been outwitted by the Magi, he was furious, and he gave orders to kill all the boys in Bethlehem and its vicinity who were two years old and under, in accordance with the time he had learned from the Magi. Then what was said through the prophet Jeremiah was fulfilled: "A voice is heard in Ramah, weeping and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because they are no more."

 

After Herod died, an angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt and said, "Get up, take the child and his mother and go to the land of Israel, for those who were trying to take the child's life are dead."

So he got up, took the child and his mother and went to the land of Israel. But when he heard that Archelaus was reigning in Judea in place of his father Herod, he was afraid to go there. Having been warned in a dream, he withdrew to the district of Galilee, and he went and lived in a town called Nazareth. So was fulfilled what was said through the prophets: "He will be called a Nazarene."

 

        --Matthew 1:18 - 2:23 New International Version

Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
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Naw, others have tried that.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

 

You don't know what you don't know.

 +++++++++++++++

Again, this time in English.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

 My fault, We don't always know what one has gone through

in their life.

Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
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Naw, others have tried that.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

 

You don't know what you don't know.

 +++++++++++++++

Again, this time in English.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

 My fault, We don't always know what one has gone through

in their life.

Still not in English. "One" and "Their" do not work together, in English, or any other language. /Other than that, what Vic "knows" isn't true. That is his main problem.

Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
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Naw, others have tried that.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

 

You don't know what you don't know.

 +++++++++++++++

Again, this time in English.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

 My fault, We don't always know what one has gone through

in their life.

Still not in English. "One" and "Their" do not work together, in English, or any other language. /Other than that, what Vic "knows" isn't true. That is his main problem.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

 

It works for me, this would be a good time for that GED you always wanted.

 

Best, lots of errors in that post.

 

Attis wasn't crucified on a tree. He castrated himself by a tree. Some stories have him being killed by a boar. Even though there are several different versions of his story, none of them involve crucifixion.

 

Mithra wasn't born of a virgin. He was born out of a rock. Mithraisim also began around the 1st Century. If there are any similarities between Mithra and Jesus, the most likely scenario is the story of Mithra was changed to imitate a new religion that was spreading quickly.

 

Scholars place Jesus' birth around late summer to fall based on the info we have. December 25th really has no significance in His history. So be wary of any comparison that first starts with "So & So was born on December 25th". That's usually the first red flag.

 

As for why December 25th is observed by Christians, the post you copied sort of had it right. Early Christians were often tortured and killed. Before Constantine, Roman Christians stayed in hiding. Using Winter Solstice celebrations as a cover, they were able to worship and celebrate more openly. Gradually, the 25th immersed to become a sacred day. This happened long after Christianity had already began to spread.

Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
----------------------------

Naw, others have tried that.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

 

You don't know what you don't know.

 +++++++++++++++

Again, this time in English.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

 My fault, We don't always know what one has gone through

in their life.

Still not in English. "One" and "Their" do not work together, in English, or any other language. /Other than that, what Vic "knows" isn't true. That is his main problem.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

 

It works for me, this would be a good time for that GED you always wanted.

 

 

 

If it's not printed on the back of a Pop-tart box...jimi's gonna miss it!

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/xmas_conflict5.htm

 

On or about DEC-21, the daytime is at a minimum and the nighttime is at a maximum. This is the winter solstice. Humans living millennia ago were far more aware of the shortening day, an apparent pause, and then a gradual lengthening of the daylight hours in late December. Living in a pre-scientific era, many cultures were terrified that the daylight interval would continue to shorten, causing an end to life on Earth. So the winter solstice or the days immediately following the solstice were a time of great celebration. Ancient faiths attributed a major religious theme to the solstice: it was a time of the birth of a new God to replace the old, dying deity. Implicit in this is the hope for a new warm season and a return to the earth's fertility.

horizontal rule

The historical origins of religious observances in December:

The celebrations of various religions are tied directly or indirectly to the earth's tilt on its axis:

 

bulletWiccans, and other Neopagans celebrate Yule, which is their name for the Winter Solstice.

bulletThe American Atheistsand local Atheist groups have chosen to have celebrations on the solstice which they call by various names: the Great North Texas Infidel Bash, the Winter Solstice bash, the Winter Solstice Parties, etc. Again, their day is tied to the solstice

bulletNova Romans, celebrate Saturnalia, an ancient Roman holiday. This was the Festival of Saturn which was gradually extended in duration until it became a seven day observance from DEC-17 to 23 each year. The Romans decorated living trees outside their homes, and hung garlands, wreathes and other decorations on their doorways, windows, and stairs. It was also observed at the winter solstice. 2

bulletAncient Rome: In the religious melting pot which was the Mediterranean in ancient times, there were many celebrations of the births of saviors at this season:

bulletThe ancient Roman Pagan religion celebrated the birth of one of their Gods, Attis, in December of each year. Attis was born of the virgin Nana. He was sacrificed as an adult in order to bring salvation to mankind. He died about MAR-25, after being crucified on a tree, and descended for three days into the underworld. On Sunday, he arose, "as the solar deity for the new season." 5 His followers tied an image of Attis to a tree on "Black Friday," and carried him in a procession to the temple. His body was symbolically eaten by his followers in the form of bread. Worship of Attis began in Rome circa 200 BCE.

bulletThe Babylonians celebrated their "Victory of the Sun-God" Festival on DEC-25.

bulletThe followers of the Pagan mystery religion Mithraism observed the birth of the savior Mithra, the "Deus sol invictus" ("unconquered sun"). Their God was believed to have been born on DEC-25, circa 500 BCE. His birth was witnessed by shepherds and by gift-carrying Magi. This date was celebrated as the "Dies Natalis Solic Invite," The "Birthday of the Unconquered Sun" each year. Some followers believed that he was born of a virgin. During his life, he performed many miracles, cured many illnesses, and cast out devils. He celebrated a Last Supper with his 12 disciples. He ascended to heaven at the time of the spring equinox, about March 21.

The Roman Emperor Aurelian (circa 214-275 CE) blended Saturnalia with a number of birth celebrations of savior Gods from other religions, into a single holy day: DEC-25. At the time, the various Christian movements were not recognized as legitimate religions. They were subject to intermittent oppression. This new holy day partially lost its close connection to the Winter Solstice.

bulletChristianity: By the third century CE the main surviving Christian movement who were spiritual descendents of the first century CE Pauline Christians, had forgotten Yeshua of Nazareth's (Jesus Christ's) birth day. An anonymous third century document "The DePascha Computus," "placed Jesus birth on March 28. Clement, a bishop of Alexandria (d. ca. 215 CE), thought Jesus was born on November 18." 3 After much argument, the developing Christian church adopted the Pagan Emperor Aurelian's date as the birthday of their savior.

Since the people of the Roman Empire were accustomed to celebrating the birth of various Gods on that day, it was easy for the church to divert people's attention to Jesus' birth. The earliest Christmas holidays were celebrated in the same way as Saturnalia. They involved drinking, sexual indulgence, and singing naked in the streets. These practices have long since been abandoned, although naked singing evolved into modern caroling. According to the Judaism Online web site: "Some of the most depraved customs of the Saturnalia carnival were intentionally revived by the Catholic Church in 1466 when Pope Paul II, for the amusement of his Roman citizens, forced Jews to race naked through the streets of the city.

 

 

If ever there was a "what the F * * k"   moment, this is it.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Well nash, take it up with the ones that wrote the article. There are always errors and contradictions in the telling of the mythical gods. This wasn't meant as a comparison, it is the story of how winter solstice was celebrated and then the "christians" slid in and naturally took it over as theirs.

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You're the one who chose to post the article. I'm simply showing that the article is fiction and not to be taken seriously.

Originally Posted by NashBama:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Well nash, take it up with the ones that wrote the article. There are always errors and contradictions in the telling of the mythical gods. This wasn't meant as a comparison, it is the story of how winter solstice was celebrated and then the "christians" slid in and naturally took it over as theirs.

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You're the one who chose to post the article. I'm simply showing that the article is fiction and not to be taken seriously.

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The article isn't "fiction". Yes I chose to post it, so what? It is how it all came about. It IS the way people celebrated, it IS how the christians took it over.  IF they made a few errors (who knows if they did) in the way a mythical god died what does it matter? The fact is people still worshiped those gods, in those ways, in this season, and that is why the celebration of the "birth" of your mythical jesus is at the same time of the year. 

Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by NashBama:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Well nash, take it up with the ones that wrote the article. There are always errors and contradictions in the telling of the mythical gods. This wasn't meant as a comparison, it is the story of how winter solstice was celebrated and then the "christians" slid in and naturally took it over as theirs.

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You're the one who chose to post the article. I'm simply showing that the article is fiction and not to be taken seriously.

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The article isn't "fiction". Yes I chose to post it, so what? It is how it all came about. It IS the way people celebrated, it IS how the christians took it over.  IF they made a few errors (who knows if they did) in the way a mythical god died what does it matter? The fact is people still worshiped those gods, in those ways, in this season, and that is why the celebration of the "birth" of your mythical jesus is at the same time of the year. 

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The article you posted is fictional.

 

I've proved it is fictional.

 

You can choose to believe it, or you can question it like any good skeptic.

 

You can check their claims for yourself, or you can simply accept what is written on faith.

 

So far, you're accepting it on faith.

 

Ten minutes of fact checking completely debunks the article. So you believe it not because it is true, but because you want it to be.

 

How is that rational?

Arkansas lawmakers are objecting to a winter solstice display that a federal judge ordered placed at the state Capitol beside a traditional Christian nativity scene.

 

The Arkansas Legislative Council on Friday approved a resolution opposing the Arkansas Society of Freethinkers display, which was set up earlier this week on the state Capitol grounds. The nonreligious display was allowed after a federal judge sided with the group in a lawsuit against the Arkansas secretary of state.

 

The society said it wanted the display put up to counter the nativity scene, which has been located on the Capitol grounds during the holidays for more than 50 years.

 

Rep. John Lowery, who introduced the resolution, said he believed the solstice display was disrespectful to Christmas.

Read more: http://www.4029tv.com/politics...l.html#ixzz1hShfZTSJ

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Winter solstice

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_solstice

 

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Christmas:

In A.D. 354, the birth of Jesus Christ was set on December 25. The date is not believed to be accurate and is the same as the birth date of Mithras. Like the other holidays, Christmas is celebrated with festivity and gift-giving. It seems to have taken over Mithras and Saturnalia traditions.  
 

The article you posted is fictional.

 

I've proved it is fictional.

 

You can choose to believe it, or you can question it like any good skeptic.

 

You can check their claims for yourself, or you can simply accept what is written on faith.

 

So far, you're accepting it on faith.

 

Ten minutes of fact checking completely debunks the article. So you believe it not because it is true, but because you want it to be.

 

How is that rational?

 

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The article is factual. How the heck you think you proved it wasn't is beyond me. All you did was run in and say some mythical god didn't die the way they said he did, and I still say so what? You have enough to worry with figuring out all the contradictions in your bible about your mythical god. What freaking claims am I supposed to check? Everyone knows what the winter solstice is, and they know how the ancients celebrated it, and how the christians "moved in" on the season. Well everyone but you it seems. Now I know how you like to re-write history to suit your ideas, but I think you're going to have a tough time re-writing this. What am I "accepting on faith"? That an ancient mythical god died a certain way? It's not accepting on faith, it's "I don't give a rat's ***" which version of the tale they believe.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Arkansas lawmakers are objecting to a winter solstice display that a federal judge ordered placed at the state Capitol beside a traditional Christian nativity scene.

 

The Arkansas Legislative Council on Friday approved a resolution opposing the Arkansas Society of Freethinkers display, which was set up earlier this week on the state Capitol grounds. The nonreligious display was allowed after a federal judge sided with the group in a lawsuit against the Arkansas secretary of state.

 

The society said it wanted the display put up to counter the nativity scene, which has been located on the Capitol grounds during the holidays for more than 50 years.

 

Rep. John Lowery, who introduced the resolution, said he believed the solstice display was disrespectful to Christmas.

Read more: http://www.4029tv.com/politics...l.html#ixzz1hShfZTSJ

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Winter solstice

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_solstice

 

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Christmas:

In A.D. 354, the birth of Jesus Christ was set on December 25. The date is not believed to be accurate and is the same as the birth date of Mithras. Like the other holidays, Christmas is celebrated with festivity and gift-giving. It seems to have taken over Mithras and Saturnalia traditions.  
 

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let the poor ignorant fools put their solstice display up.  they like those on the forum here know not the difference in 21 & 25.    a typical fudging of data to inhance, only to themselves, an athiest agenda.

have a MERRY CHRISTMAS everyone

Originally Posted by NashBama:

Bestworking, the article you posted is not factual.

 

For example.

 

Is it true that the story of Attis includes him being crucified to a tree and resurrected three days later?

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Nash, you can nitpick all you want. It doesn't matter to me which version they use to claim a mythical god's death. I just don't care. You think by focusing on that it will somehow change the facts of history? The article, once again, is not for a comparison of mythical beings. NO where am I saying this or that mythical god compares to your mythical god. It is an article about the winter solstice and how it was celebrated BEFORE it became known only as christmas, and how christians moved in and took it over as their own. Then they changed the way it was celebrated, and now, today, people like you try to claim it has ALWAYS been yours, a christian tradition. It hasn't. And all your picking at it won't change that. Last time, I don't care how attis "died". That has nothing at all to do with the subject. It is the way they worshiped and celebrated the winter solstice that I'm "talking" about. You should be this picky about all the contradictions/errors in the bible. With all of those you still celebrate christmas don't you? So a thousand years from now, if people debate or argue, and someone claims that the history is wrong about christians celebrating christmas because of the errors in the bible, will they be correct? Will that mean you didn't celebrate?

 

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Winter Solstice Has Been Celebrated Since Ancient Times

The holiday timing of the winter solstice is rooted in ancient religions. Throughout history, humans have observed this seasonal milestone and created spiritual and cultural traditions to celebrate the rebirth of sunlight after the darkest period of the year.

Modern pagans attempt to observe the solstice in the traditional manner of the ancients. "There is a resurgent interest in more traditional religious groups that is often driven by ecological motives," said Harry Yeide, a professor of religion at George Washington University. "These people do celebrate the solstice itself."

 

 

Eastern churches traditionally celebrate Christmas on January 6, a date known as Epiphany in the West. The Gospels do not specify when Christ was born, so the date may have been originally chosen because of the belief that the season of Christ's conception would be that same as that of his death and resurrection.

But the new celebration soon became co-mingled with traditional observances of the solstice.

"As the Christmas celebration moved west," Yeide said "the date that had traditionally been used to celebrate the winter solstice became sort of available for conversion to the observance of Christmas. In the Western church, the December date became the date for Christmas."

Traditional solstice celebrations existed in many cultures. The Roman feast of Saturnalia, honoring the God Saturn, was a weeklong December feast that included the observance of the winter solstice. Romans also celebrated the lengthening of days following the solstice by paying homage to Mithra—an ancient Persian god of light.

Christian leaders of the time endeavored to attract pagans to their faith by adding Christian meaning to these existing festivals.

"This gave rise to an interesting play on words," said Yeide. "In several languages, not just in English, people have traditionally compared the rebirth of the sun with the birth of the son of God."

While religious observance of the winter solstice is not as common as it once was, many in the Northern Hemisphere will surely give thanks for the slow but steady return of the sun. 

 

http://news.nationalgeographic...1220_solstice_2.html

Originally Posted by NashBama:

Is it true that the story of Attis includes him being crucified to a tree and resurrected three days later?

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How would I know? That's the version they used. I haven't read the story and I don't care how a mythical god died. What has that got to do with anything? Even if they said he was roasted over an open fire by a pig god it wouldn't change the fact that the ancients worshiped him and celebrated his "birth". All the nitpicking in the world won't change that. 

It is TRUE that they celebrated. I don't believe ANY of the myths. I do know they believed or why would they have celebrated? Now like I said, how they think he died is of no importance to me. The fact they celebrated is of no importance. The fact that christianity took the season over is really of no importance to me EXCEPT that now you want to cry and say someone is trying to take YOUR holiday away when anyone mentions it wasn't your holiday season to begin with, because others first celebrated their gods at this time of the year. Or you want to cry if anyone dares to say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas, and reminds you that many of your so called christian traditions that you are so afraid of losing are of pagan origins.  The article is factual about why and when they celebrated, and how do I know they aren't factual about the way the stories say he died? Your word? Can't state it any plainer than that. Like I suggested to you earlier, take classes and argue the points of the myth with someone who might care.

I have taken classes. That's besides the point.

 

Think about it, if the details in the article are wrong, then how can it be believed?

 

I asked a very simple question about a key detail in the article you posted.

 

It had nothing to do with Christianity, Jesus, or religion in general. It simply required a yes or a no.

 

You are unable to answer that question.

 

So if you are unable to defend the article you posted, why should anyone believe it?

 

Also, what is the point of posting it?

Nash, you are full of it. Now consider this, the bible is full of errors and contradictions. Following so far? Yet YOU read it, swear by it, and worship the mythical deities in it. As I posted earlier, a thousand years from now, if someone says to someone else that they can't talk about your christian worship and celebrations because one tells the story about something one way and someone else tells it another way, will that mean you didn't believe the bible, believe in your god and jesus, and will it mean you didn't celebrate christmas? And it required a bit more than a yes or a no and I answered.

Apparently you need help comprehending things you read. YES they celebrated, NO the gods they worshiped weren't real. How do they believe their god died? I have no idea and it has no bearing on the fact they worshiped him. Now keep looking foolish if you want. How about this, if you don't agree with their description of his death, provide a link showing how you think he really died. I will personally email the group that posted the article and tell them YOU think they got it wrong. And how in the world you consider it a "key part" in the article is beyond me.

The difference between an atheist and an agnostic? I know what the dictionary says, but the bottom line is the same.

 

Now, Gingee says things change. So they do; however, if Christ had never been born, would we not have a Yule log, etc.? I say we would. These are all traditions and, yes, many were adopted by the Catholic Church.

 

Back to Gingee's remark...Did you know, Gingee, that the Star of David and the Celtic Cross are banned in some schools because they now represent various gangs? Not all change is good. Let's not add to what the Bible says. Christmas is a fine secular holiday, but nothing more.

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