The reason why illegal immigration must be stopped

My prayers are with her family. People want to get hyper about the 3500 deaths over the years we have been in Iraq, while countless innocent Americans who did not sign up for combat are being slaughtered by illegals on our own soil. Shameful.

Chaos, panic, pandemonium - my work here is done.

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Chaos, panic, pandemonium - my work here is done.

What is your work, writing three words completely unrelated to the discussion? If so, looks like you accomplished your goal.

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Originally posted by NashBama:

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Chaos, panic, pandemonium - my work here is done.

What is your work, writing three words completely unrelated to the discussion? If so, looks like you accomplished your goal.

It seems you do panic alot!

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It seems you do panic alot!

I do? Since when? If you have nothing semi-intelligent to add in relation to the subject of this tragedy caused by an illegal alien, please refrain from hijacking.

The only Panic! here is at the Disco.

It isn't panic, it is outrage that we allow people to come into this country, take our jobs, take innocent lives and then sit back and do nothing about it. Then we throw a grand mal tissy fit about brave young men and women giving their lives in a declared war on foreign soil. It is an outrage, no panic.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=illegal+immigrant+fatal+crash

532,000 hits on a Google search for "illegal immigrant fatal crash"

Sounds like a worthwhile topic to me. We've got enough home grown bad drivers without illegal immigrants helping out. Build the fence...I'll donate a week's labor.

Sassy Kims, I'll go down there with you and I'll bring my own tools. Do you need a hammer? I have a spare.

I'm going to stick in my two cents on immigration (illegal or otherwise).

I had my troubles with La Migra about a decade ago when I married a Canadian. The then-INS was the most user-unfriendly, bureaucratic organization I've run into. And mine was an easy case, and this was pre-9/11.

The proposal before Congress now, where an illegal would pay thousands of dollars, go home, then come back to do what they're doing now without paying a fee is rubish. Who's going to do that?

The backlog that the State Department has now with the passport onslaught is nothing compared to what INS does. If they said it took a year to process something, we'd see a letter in about 355 days that said they were behind schedule and to use that letter to "get by" in case she had to cross the border. Mind you, we'd usually get the actual documents about day 370, but basically when they said a year, that's how long the subcontractor in St. Albans VT took.

Try to call someone at INS? You'd be on hold for an hour just to get to the phone tree that said "Push 1 for documents, push 2 for status," etc., and then end up basically told by the computer that things were under review, hung up on, and not given further options.

Mind you, I'd just as soon round up the illegals and ship them back. But our government sure makes it hard to do it the right way, even with the current rules.

Jagorham, I just read an article in Slate that you may find interesting. You can get the full text here. One snippet:

Some applicants have higher priority than others, even in the family line: The unmarried children of citizens tend to have the shortest waits, while the adult siblings of citizens come last. Diversity also helps, since immigrants from no one country can take more than 7 percent of the available visas. That means that people from China, India, Mexico, and the Philippines have an extra long wait, because so many of their countrymen have already gone through the system. In general, Filipinos endure the longest lines; the USCIS is now processing cases for married Filipino children of U.S. citizens who applied back in January 1985.

Many of the statistics quoted in the article are staggering, while most are just appalling. I hope you and your wife have all of your INS issues straightened out now. From what I gather it is only going to get more tangled as time goes on.

The reason it's such a mess is because the same deal that granted 2 million illegals amnesty in the 80's also took the power to enforce immigration laws away from states and local communities. That's why so many small towns and cities keep saying the same line, "we can't do anything about it, it's a federal issue." The states, counties, and towns should have the ability to enforce immigration laws and arrest, detain, and deport illegals freely. Leaving it up to our federal government simply results in a huge mess. Legal immigrants have a harder time doing things the right way and illegals just skip right on over.

I totally agree, Nash. The Federal Government is becoming a huge monster. Instead of trying to limit it's power we have so many Americans that want to make it even bigger. It says a lot about our nation when the police in a community cannot do anything about an influx of criminals. If 30 crack houses opened up in my neighborhood the local police would have them locked up in a minute. If 30 illegal aliens from Timbuktu show up and take up residence.... nothing. What a sad and sorry state of affairs.

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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=illegal+immigrant+fatal+crash

532,000 hits on a Google search for "illegal immigrant fatal crash"

Sounds like a worthwhile topic to me. We've got enough home grown bad drivers without illegal immigrants helping out. Build the fence...I'll donate a week's labor.

Another thing about this that really gets me worked up, is that these people don't have insurance. I was in an accident about a month ago where I was rear-ended by a woman driving her son-in-law's car and wasn't covered on his insurance. Finally, the company agreed to cover my damages after we pushed enough. It all turned out okay, but it really got me thinking.

What if they hadn't covered my damages since she wasn't on the policy? My insurance would have had to fix my truck. What if I had been hit by an illegal with no license or insurance? My insurance would have had to cover it. What got me so worked up is: what is the point of requiring everyone to have liability insurance, if all someone has to do to get away without it is simply borrow a friend's car or be here illegally? Until this happened, I didn't realize it was so easy to get around the law. And what would the penalties be? She would get a ticket? The illegal would get slapped on the wrist and released? Or just run? My vehicle would still be just as wrecked and myself or my insurance company would have to pay for it.

This is just further proof that creating rules and laws only affects those who are inclined to obey them. It's like the whole illegal immigration issue: what do these ignorant, stupid politicians think that creating new immigration laws is going to do? Do they really think that 12 million people who have no regard for our current laws are going to suddendly start complying? That is the most ignorant and dangerous way of thinking I've ever heard of. All of these laws only make things more difficult for law abiding citizens, and reward non-comliance. The people they are meant to regulate don't care about laws; they have proven that (thus the term "illegal", and no, they are not "undocumented Americans" as Harry Reid would like to spin it).

But PBA is probably right; of course we shouldn't panic...We should sit back, think, debate what is "fair", and do nothing about it, like liberals and moderate conservatives have been doing for years. Well I for one have written my congressmen and simply reminded them that I WILL NOT vote for them again, period, if they support any legislation allowing anything short of deportation of all illegals and securing of the border to stop future flow. I encourage more to do this as well.

I can't remember off the top of my head who said this, but it is a profound statement:

A law without enforcement is just a suggestion

When it comes to the illegals, there are no laws, just suggestions.

We used to be a country of laws for everyone. Now we are a country of laws for some, suggestions for others. It's sickening that some of us bend over backwards to play by the rules and some just do whatever they please, and there are no consequences.

We must return to a system of benefits for doing what is right and consequences for doing wrong. Too often, we simply reward wrongdoing. Those who do not work are rewarded with everything they need to survive. Those who act out in school are rewarded with special attention. Those who don't obey laws are rewarded with new, more lenient laws. What do we get for obeying laws? Nothing, just more laws. We need to start punishing wrong, rewarding right, and enforcing our laws.

That is a fabulous idea, Aubfire1. It comes down to personal responsibility. People will call you heartless and cruel for enforcing laws against the weak or meek. No matter that the weak and meek are stealing from us or even committing murder. They are under priviledged so they deserve a break. Give me a break! This country is on the verge of a revolution and I don't think it will be any thing like what the liberals and the leftists are hollering about.

Nash, I don't even know why I read your posts anymore. You're a moron. That's the dumbest connection I've ever read. Illegal immigration and drunken driving are not related.

Oh wait . . .

You be Bill and I'll be Geraldo . . .

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Nash, I don't even know why I read your posts anymore. You're a moron. That's the dumbest connection I've ever read. Illegal immigration and drunken driving are not related.

Tell that to Joycelyn Gardiner. Oh wait, you can't because she's dead. She was killed by a drunk driver who is an illegal alien.

http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007706190341

She's just one of many people who are killed by illegals driving drunk. Since you're not able to grasp the very obvious connection using your own brain power, I'll very simply walk you through it.

A man came into our country illegally

That man got drunk and drove his car.

That man killed an innocent woman.

That woman would still be alive if he was not allowed to enter our country in the first place.

Do you understand know? That's just one example of thousands that are happening all the time and people like you who support illegals coming in to our country are responsible.

I'm the moron? I'm not the one with blood on my hands like illegal alien supporters like you. Keep letting them in and the next person an illegal kills on our roads may be someone you care about. I'm pretty sure you'll see a connection then.

No blood on my hands. I guarantee that. It could have been anyone driving that vehicle. Your elementary math skills can't fathom the fact that illegal aliens are not genetically predisposed to drive drunk. Period. It makes no sense. You and those who buy into that **** you posted are morons.

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Originally posted by Rowan Oak:
No blood on my hands. I guarantee that. It could have been anyone driving that vehicle. Your elementary math skills can't fathom the fact that illegal aliens are not genetically predisposed to drive drunk. Period. It makes no sense. You and those who buy into that **** you posted are morons.

I see where you both are coming from, kinda. For example, in some cases, if there is a traffic accident and the person at fault has insurance and the other party does not, the insurance company will see it as the uninsured motorist's fault. That is what an agent friend of mine told me. On the other hand, you can't sit around and go "Well, if that guys parents hadn't met in 1969 and got married, they would have never had that guy and he would have never...." yada, yada, yada. This isn't "Back To the Future".

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Originally posted by Rowan Oak:
No blood on my hands. I guarantee that. It could have been anyone driving that vehicle. Your elementary math skills can't fathom the fact that illegal aliens are not genetically predisposed to drive drunk. Period. It makes no sense. You and those who buy into that **** you posted are morons.

Well I buy into that, so I must be a moron.

No one said illegal aliens were predisposed to driving drunk. I don't know but would guess the percentage of drunk drivers in Mexico is about the same as the percentage of drunk drivers in America. What I can't fathom is that you can't see or don't want to see that if our immigration laws were enforced this guy would have been driving drunk in Mexico, not Nashville. I'm not saying she would never be involved in a traffic accident, accidents happen all the time. This man wouldn't have killed this girl if he wasn't here to drive the other vehicle.

Maybe you just dislike NashBama so much you'd disagree with anything he posted.
If you don't mind I'd like to get on your moron list too. Being considered a moron by you would be an honor. THANKS!!!

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No blood on my hands. I guarantee that. It could have been anyone driving that vehicle. Your elementary math skills can't fathom the fact that illegal aliens are not genetically predisposed to drive drunk. Period. It makes no sense. You and those who buy into that **** you posted are morons.

I did not use the words "genetically predisposed". This thread has nothing to do with genetics. It has to do with someone who broke the law getting into this country and killing someone.

If this illegal was not allowed to enter the country, he wouldn't have been here to drive drunk. I can't spell it out any simpler for you.

This isn't an isolated incident, here's another in Virgina

http://content.hamptonroads.com/story.cfm?story=125206&ran=103123

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"On March 30, police said Alfredo Ramos, a 22-year-old illegal immigrant from Mexico, plowed into the back of a sedan at Kings Grant Road and Virginia Beach Boulevard, killing two teenage girls inside. Ramos was charged with manslaughter, and police have said they think he was drinking that night. "

And another from California, killed a father of five.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20070412-0945-ca-duideathsuspect.html

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"An illegal immigrant arrested in connection with a collision that killed a father of five was drunk and on drugs, and had four previous drunken driving convictions, law officers said."

Here's another one from Nashville. He killed an elderly couple and had 14 previous run ins with the law including domestic assault and 4 for drunk driving.

http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007704090368

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Garcia, 29, is charged with driving drunk when his SUV slammed head-on into a sedan driven by a Mt. Juliet couple, killing them both.

Here's another one for you from Colorado. He killed a mother and two of her kids on Christmas eve.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=757824

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Police arrested Prieto on Christmas Eve morning, when he ran a red light at the intersection of 5400 South and 700 East in Murray, and broadsided a car carrying the Ceran family. Cheryl Ceran, her son, Ian, and daughter, Julianna, died. Gary Ceran and two other children survived.

Have you ever seen the movie "A Christmas Story"? Next time you see it, remember that the director was killed by an illegal alien.

http://www.dallasnews.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3719&s...c63f2889c01ed2b75262

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LOS ANGELES (AP) — A Mexican national accused of causing the crash that killed "A Christmas Story" director Bob Clark and his son will face deportation proceedings once the charges against him are resolved, officials said Thursday.

That's just the tip of the iceberg. I just listed 10 people that would still be here with us if our borders were secure. Think of all the life events, graduations, weddings, holidays, that are forever altered for those families because someone else should be there but they're not. Think of all the pain and hurt that could have been avoided if our laws were simply enforced.

But of course, there is no link between illegal immigration and drunk driving, right? If that puts me on your little moron list, then it must mean I'm right.

http://www.enewscourier.com/local/local_story_173224417.html

Who on earth would cash checks for these people and not be suspicious?

Here' one for all of you who cannot get the Iraq situation out of your mind.

Illegal aliens murder more Americans each year than die in Iraq and Afghanistan.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53103

We have been invaded, and all our politicians want to do is surrender.

DF

I can,t see what the problem is.all you have to do is make the law the same on each side of the border. what could be more fairer ?

It's bad when people don't even have to be DRUNK to cause accidents, the illegals can't seem to drive period! Also, not only are they getting away with being here illegally, they must be driving w/ no license, b/c I can't see how they'd pass a driving test, plus no insurance, plus they mostly ride around w/ a Mississippi tag, supposedly b/c it's easier to get a tag from there, I don't know for sure, that's what I have been told. Luckily, none of my family, or friends who have been involved w/ these illegals have not been killed by their stupidity, (law letting it happen) but it has caused a lot of problems on our end anyways as far as taking care of the damage, & they don't get any punishment, lie to the law & walk right away, that simple,( if they didn't run before the law got there, that's happened also.)

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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=illegal+immigrant+fatal+crash

532,000 hits on a Google search for "illegal immigrant fatal crash"

Sounds like a worthwhile topic to me. We've got enough home grown bad drivers without illegal immigrants helping out. Build the fence...I'll donate a week's labor.

And this also means NO insurance and NO drivers license!!! All they can do to this illegal is put him in jail, the family of the victim will get NOTHING, ... no insurance!!!!

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Originally posted by DeepFat:
Here' one for all of you who cannot get the Iraq situation out of your mind.

Illegal aliens murder more Americans each year than die in Iraq and Afghanistan.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53103

We have been invaded, and all our politicians want to do is surrender.

DF

Wow, that article needs to be sent to our LAW MAKERS, ... that is sad.

It is mind boggling that we have LAWS against illegals, but right now it seems to be one of those "Politically Incorrect" topics we arent supposed to make waves about...

I send a Prayer to this young lady's family, that they can sort through their grief and that God's hand will hold them near to Him throughout this ordeal...

Now, why on earth can we not even get our law makers to get the law enforcers to GO BY THE LAW OF OUR LAND!!! People are getting killed by them sitting on their duffs doing NOTHING!!!!

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Originally posted by aubfire1:
We used to be a country of laws for everyone. Now we are a country of laws for some, suggestions for others. It's sickening that some of us bend over backwards to play by the rules and some just do whatever they please, and there are no consequences.

We must return to a system of benefits for doing what is right and consequences for doing wrong. Too often, we simply reward wrongdoing. Those who do not work are rewarded with everything they need to survive. Those who act out in school are rewarded with special attention. Those who don't obey laws are rewarded with new, more lenient laws. What do we get for obeying laws? Nothing, just more laws. We need to start punishing wrong, rewarding right, and enforcing our laws.

GREAT point!!! But as long as we keep punishing drunk drivers like they are Paris Hilton, and make it National News several times EVERY day, then we are in trouble before we ever start.

Any John Q. Public who did what Paris did, would have gotten a far worse punishment....

We have GOT to get back to the REAL laws!!!

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Originally posted by jagorham:
I'm going to stick in my two cents on immigration (illegal or otherwise).

I had my troubles with La Migra about a decade ago when I married a Canadian. The then-INS was the most user-unfriendly, bureaucratic organization I've run into. And mine was an easy case, and this was pre-9/11.

The proposal before Congress now, where an illegal would pay thousands of dollars, go home, then come back to do what they're doing now without paying a fee is rubish. Who's going to do that?

The backlog that the State Department has now with the passport onslaught is nothing compared to what INS does. If they said it took a year to process something, we'd see a letter in about 355 days that said they were behind schedule and to use that letter to "get by" in case she had to cross the border. Mind you, we'd usually get the actual documents about day 370, but basically when they said a year, that's how long the subcontractor in St. Albans VT took.

Try to call someone at INS? You'd be on hold for an hour just to get to the phone tree that said "Push 1 for documents, push 2 for status," etc., and then end up basically told by the computer that things were under review, hung up on, and not given further options.

Mind you, I'd just as soon round up the illegals and ship them back. But our government sure makes it hard to do it the right way, even with the current rules.

ANOTHER story on your topic here...

A couple in Florence got married, also pre 9/11 in Canada, he was from Alabama, she was from Canada... As soon as they got here in Alabama, they started all the correct and legal paperwork to get her visa,...

$5000 bucks later, she got her visa... about six months had passed by then...

next step was permanent residency so she could transfer her University records here... then about $25,000 later (Lawyers, paperwork, fees, trips to Nashville, and final trips to Atlanta).. that took about THREE years,

They lived a fairly normal life, both worked, made great money, bought a fancy gorgeous house, then FINALLY last trip to Atlanta, she got her permanent residency, and paid another $3500 for the additional paperwork and fees...

So it virtually cost them about $30,000, plus nearly 4 years of their lives to be able to live and breath easier. It is scary dealing with INS when people KNOW they hold the POWER.

She and her hubby is happy with her status, and they have been married over 7 years... but how unfair that this one couple pay that much and wait that long because they are HONEST, all the while, illegals here killing people in every state in the Nation....

something stinks with this picture!!!!

Title IX of the Immigration bill call fo reparations to German-Americans and Italian-Americans who were in detention camps in WWII. Unlike Japanese-Americans, these guys were real Nazis and fascisti. Can this bill get any worse?

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ANOTHER story on your topic here...

A couple in Florence got married, also pre 9/11 in Canada, he was from Alabama, she was from Canada... As soon as they got here in Alabama, they started all the correct and legal paperwork to get her visa,...

$5000 bucks later, she got her visa... about six months had passed by then...

next step was permanent residency so she could transfer her University records here... then about $25,000 later (Lawyers, paperwork, fees, trips to Nashville, and final trips to Atlanta).. that took about THREE years,

They lived a fairly normal life, both worked, made great money, bought a fancy gorgeous house, then FINALLY last trip to Atlanta, she got her permanent residency, and paid another $3500 for the additional paperwork and fees...

So it virtually cost them about $30,000, plus nearly 4 years of their lives to be able to live and breath easier. It is scary dealing with INS when people KNOW they hold the POWER.

She and her hubby is happy with her status, and they have been married over 7 years... but how unfair that this one couple pay that much and wait that long because they are HONEST, all the while, illegals here killing people in every state in the Nation....

something stinks with this picture!!!!

If you think it's a mess just changing citizenship, wait until the government runs health care. This is just an example of why we need less government in our lives.