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Ahh, snakie, you never disappoint. I picture Obama's ears like radio beacons picking up signals from Hamas and Al Quida instructing him where to send the information for our nuclear codes while Michelle, in full combat gear, is jackknifing over the heads of terrified children all goose stepping to "Hail to the Furor"!
In the background is Reid, Pelosi, Dodd and Frank all holding hands hands and singing "God **** America", written by Rev Wright!
Facts be dam***, little kiddo.
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Originally posted by LMM:
Ahh, snakie, you never disappoint. I picture Obama's ears like radio beacons picking up signals from Hamas and Al Quida instructing him where to send the information for our nuclear codes while Michelle, in full combat gear, is jackknifing over the heads of terrified children all goose stepping to "Hail to the Furor"!
In the background is Reid, Pelosi, Dodd and Frank all holding hands hands and singing "God **** America", written by Rev Wright!
Facts be dam***, little kiddo.


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DITTO, KIDDO
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Originally posted by LMM:
Ahh, snakie, you never disappoint. I picture Obama's ears like radio beacons picking up signals from Hamas and Al Quida instructing him where to send the information for our nuclear codes while Michelle, in full combat gear, is jackknifing over the heads of terrified children all goose stepping to "Hail to the Furor"!
In the background is Reid, Pelosi, Dodd and Frank all holding hands hands and singing "God **** America", written by Rev Wright!
Facts be dam***, little kiddo.


Lol....Clearly facts are to be ****ed since you used NONE in your little hissy fit. My little kiddos are very touchy about w's failures, still ignoring the fact (inconvenient as they may be to this discussion) that w is in large part why Obama was victorious in the election. I think you misunderstand, I am greatful to w for his great effort in helping Obama in his victory. All the hysterics are entertaining if not realistic. Still my little kiddos, grappling desperately in their malaise. McCain said: "Obama is a good man and will make a good president". The American people agreed with him.
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Originally posted by gracies old man:
I knew you wouldn't comment on the subject at hand; the attempt to answer your question concerning W's accent and your obsession about it. But I did know you would go on another tirade. You must have too much time on your hands. What WILL you do once he's gone?

just for kicks, who do you credit for your safety? luck? aliens? good fortune? flying spaghetti monster? the good will and fine intentions of al queda? hamas?


You know the answer to that.It's the messiah himself,Barrack Obama.We haven't been attacked since he was elected to the US senate.Just the simple fact of him bringing his"change"to the senate caused all terrorist to love us.Think how much better we'll be when he takes over as president.Our taking the fight to the enemy in their God forsaken sandbox and exhausting there resources has nothing to do with it of course.
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
O.K., It is evident that this has struck a nerve. w has his little faux accent because he is a pandering, cowboy wannabe who needed to grease himself up so he could work the crowd in Texass. He IS the only member of his family who speaks with that folksy drawl - fact. Why do you let this little comment rile you so?

Now, please PROVE Obama is a Socialist. In fact, I would appreciate it if you would DISPROVE that since w (along with MANY other supposed "conservatives") supported the Wall St. "bailout" that he is NOT a Socialist. You see, sweetie, you can't. Your reactionary, mid 20th century "Red-baiting" is so dated and ineffectual. Unfortunately for you, it just does not "resonate" with the American public like it once did. It is cute though. Reminds me of my uncle Myron who used to wear his WW2 Navy uniform and scream the same political slogans at any car with "Yankee" plates. He suffered from "shellshock" - bless his heart.


Meanasasnake, I'd like to introduce you to our friend "Midol". Don't be afraid, Midol just wants to help you.
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
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Originally posted by LMM:
Ahh, snakie, you never disappoint. I picture Obama's ears like radio beacons picking up signals from Hamas and Al Quida instructing him where to send the information for our nuclear codes while Michelle, in full combat gear, is jackknifing over the heads of terrified children all goose stepping to "Hail to the Furor"!
In the background is Reid, Pelosi, Dodd and Frank all holding hands hands and singing "God **** America", written by Rev Wright!
Facts be dam***, little kiddo.


Lol....Clearly facts are to be ****ed since you used NONE in your little hissy fit. My little kiddos are very touchy about w's failures, still ignoring the fact (inconvenient as they may be to this discussion) that w is in large part why Obama was victorious in the election. I think you misunderstand, I am greatful to w for his great effort in helping Obama in his victory. All the hysterics are entertaining if not realistic. Still my little kiddos, grappling desperately in their malaise. McCain said: "Obama is a good man and will make a good president". The American people agreed with him.

I was being sarcastic, which must have went over your head.
I am pleased that Obama will take over on Jan 20, since he has dropped his 'campaign promises', I have no fault with him. Bush did a good job, just that your BDS blinds you to anything accomplished by his administration. Guess who sent more humanitarian aid and money to African nations than any other person in the world? Bush.
Guess who gets credit for our kids finally improving on international science and math scores? Bush.
Guess who kept us from being hit by another 9/11? Bush.

What got Obama elected was a failed wall street, MSM demonizing the GOP, and ignorance of the masses who believed the MSM.
McCain is an honest and honorable man, more than I can say for the pres elect.
No hysterics here, sweetie, I am perfectly fine but thanks for being concerned.
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Originally posted by henhouseprowler:
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
O.K., It is evident that this has struck a nerve. w has his little faux accent because he is a pandering, cowboy wannabe who needed to grease himself up so he could work the crowd in Texass. He IS the only member of his family who speaks with that folksy drawl - fact. Why do you let this little comment rile you so?

Now, please PROVE Obama is a Socialist. In fact, I would appreciate it if you would DISPROVE that since w (along with MANY other supposed "conservatives") supported the Wall St. "bailout" that he is NOT a Socialist. You see, sweetie, you can't. Your reactionary, mid 20th century "Red-baiting" is so dated and ineffectual. Unfortunately for you, it just does not "resonate" with the American public like it once did. It is cute though. Reminds me of my uncle Myron who used to wear his WW2 Navy uniform and scream the same political slogans at any car with "Yankee" plates. He suffered from "shellshock" - bless his heart.


Meanasasnake, I'd like to introduce you to our friend "Midol". Don't be afraid, Midol just wants to help you.


Lol....You have now shown that you know less about women than political realities.
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Originally posted by LMM:
BDS got your tongue?


No dear. Your assertion that w "was a good president" amused me. Of course you know you are in the minority on that one. Even more funny (on many levels) is your tortured reasons as to why Obama got elected. Perhaps my favorite of those would be your suggestion that the electorate is "ignorant".
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
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Originally posted by LMM:
BDS got your tongue?


No dear. Your assertion that w "was a good president" amused me. Of course you know you are in the minority on that one. Even more funny (on many levels) is your tortured reasons as to why Obama got elected. Perhaps my favorite of those would be your suggestion that the electorate is "ignorant".


If the shoe fits,wear it.
O snakie,
I call it as I see it.
If this man had been a southern white man or woman with his 'so-called' qualifications, he would not have even been running.
He was the perfect 'poster' child for a push for equality; young, handsome, married, cute kids, law degree(did he try any cases?), doesn't 'look' like the rest of those guys on the money, great orator, and a Muslim name. How much better could it get?
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Originally posted by henhouseprowler:
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
His faux accent is demontrative of so much about the man. He is a character invented for political ambition and dynastic accomplishment.


Faux traits / Character invented for political ambition:

1) Obama's alleged US citizenship
2) Obama's supposed Senate accomplishments
3) Obama's fake Christianity

and on it goes


1. Prove he is NOT a U.S. Citizen.
2. COMMITTEE ASSIGNMENTS:
Obama holds assignments on the Senate Committees for Foreign Relations; Health, Education, Labor and Pensions; Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs; and Veterans' Affairs, and he is a member of the Congressional Black Caucus.

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As a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Obama made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and Africa. In August 2005, he traveled to Russia, Ukraine, and Azerbaijan. The trip focused on strategies to control the world's supply of conventional weapons, biological weapons, and weapons of mass destruction as a first defense against potential terrorist attacks.<61>

Following meetings with U.S. military in Kuwait and Iraq in January 2006, Obama visited Jordan, Israel, and the Palestinian territories.

He left for his third official trip in August 2006, traveling to South Africa, Kenya, Djibouti, Ethiopia and Chad. In a nationally televised speech at the University of Nairobi, he spoke forcefully on the influence of ethnic rivalries and corruption in Kenya.

Obama worked with Russ Feingold (D–WI) to eliminate gifts of travel on corporate jets by lobbyists to members of Congress and require disclosure of bundled campaign contributions under the "Honest Leadership and Open Government Act", which was signed into law in September 2007.

He joined Chuck Schumer (D-NY) in sponsoring S. 453, a bill to criminalize deceptive practices in federal elections, including fraudulent flyers and automated phone calls, as witnessed in the 2006 midterm elections.

Obama also introduced the "Iraq War De-Escalation Act", a bill to cap troop levels in Iraq, begin phased redeployment, and remove all combat brigades from Iraq before April 2008.<68>

Later in 2007, Obama sponsored with Kit Bond (R-MO) an amendment to the 2008 Defense Authorization Act adding safeguards for personality disorder military discharges, and calling for a review by the Government Accountability Office following reports that the procedure had been used inappropriately to reduce government costs.

joined Chuck Hagel (R-NE) in introducing legislation to reduce risks of nuclear terrorism.A provision from the Obama-Hagel bill was passed by Congress in December 2007 as an amendment to the State-Foreign Operations appropriations bill.

Obama also sponsored a Senate amendment to the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) to provide one year of job protection for family members caring for soldiers with combat-related injuries. After passing both houses of Congress with bipartisan majorities, SCHIP was vetoed by President Bush in early October 2007, a move Obama said "shows a callousness of priorities that is offensive to the ideals we hold as Americans."

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THESE ARE BARACK'S ACCOMPLISHMENTS IN THE U.S. SENATE TO DATE:

** First legislation, the HOPE Act, which increased Pell Grants to $5100, and later joined Senator Kennedy on the Higher Education legislation that passed July 20, by a vote of 78-18. That legislation also included funding for Predominantly Black Colleges to assist with counseling, tutoring and other needs of low income students. It also creates the Teaching Residency Act which will create a school-based teacher preparation program in high needs schools to provide each teacher with a mentor, content instruction, classroom management skills, a master’s degree and state certification, and a 2 year follow-up program.


**The Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006
is an act that requires the full disclosure of all entities or organizations receiving federal funds beginning in fiscal year (FY) 2007 on a website maintained by the Office of Management and Budget.
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**The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act
Authored by U.S. Sens. Dick Lugar (R-IN) and Barack Obama (D-IL), the Lugar-Obama initiative expands U.S. cooperation to destroy conventional weapons. It also expands the State Department's ability to detect and interdict weapons and materials of mass destruction.
Signed into Law on January 11, 2007.
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**The 2007 Government Ethics Bill
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** The “Democratic Republic of the Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act.
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** S116 - Summer Learning demonstration project to provide summer learning grants and encourage new teaching methods.
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and this one, moved out of committee just a few days ago:
Obama's Global Poverty Act of 2007, passed out of committee just a few days ago
WASHINGTON, D.C. - U.S. Senators Barack Obama (D-IL), Chuck Hagel (R-NE), and Maria Cantwell (D-WA) and Congressman Adam Smith (D-WA) today hailed the Senate Foreign Relations Committee's passage of the Global Poverty Act (S.2433), which requires the President to develop and implement a comprehensive policy to cut extreme global poverty in half by 2015 through aid, trade, debt relief, and coordination with the international community, businesses and NGOs. This legislation was introduced in December. Smith and Congressman Spencer Bachus (R-AL) sponsored the House version of the bill (H.R. 1302), which passed the House last September.
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Amendments, that have all passed:

S.Amdt.159 to S.Con.Res.18 - To prevent and, if necessary, respond to an international outbreak of the avian flu.

S.Amdt.390 to H.R.1268 - To provide meal and telephone benefits for members of the Armed Forces who are recuperating from injuries incurred on active duty in Operation Iraqi Freedom or Operation Enduring Freedom.

S.Amdt.670 to H.R.3 - To provide for Flexible Fuel Vehicle (FFV) refueling capability at new and existing refueling station facilities to promote energy security and reduction of greenhouse gas emissions.

S.Amdt.808 to H.R.6 - To establish a program to develop Fischer-Tropsch transportation fuels from Illinois basin coal.

S.Amdt.851 to H.R.6 - To require the Secretary to establish a Joint Flexible Fuel/Hybrid Vehicle Commercialization Initiative, and for other purposes.

S.Amdt.1362 to S.1042 - To require a report on the Department of Defense Composite Health Care System II.

S.Amdt.1453 to S.1402 - To ensure the protection of military and civilian personnel in the Department of Defense from an influenza pandemic, including an avian influenza pandemic.

S.Amdt.2301 to H.R.3010 - To increase funds to the Thurgood Marshall Legal Educational Opportunity Program and to the Office of Special Education Programs of the Department of Education for the purposes of expanding positive behavioral interventions and supports.

S.Amdt.2605 to S.2020 - Expressing the sense of the Senate that the Federal Emergency Management Agency should immediately address issues relating to no-bid contracting.

S.Amdt.2930 to S.2349 - To clarify that availability of legislation does not include nonbusiness days.
S.Amdt.3144 to S.Con.Res.83 - To provide a $40 million increase in FY 2007 for the Homeless Veterans Reintegration Program and to improve job services for hard-to-place veterans

S. Amdt 41 to S. 1 To require lobbyists to disclose the candidates, leadership PACs, or political parties for whom they collect or arrange contributions, and the aggregate amount of the contributions collected or arranged.

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Barack has Written a total of 890 Bills and Co-sponsored Another 1096 since he started serving in the U.S. Senate.

3.Prove he is NOT a Christian. In fact, prove that anyone is or is not. OR you could prove he is something else.

Grasping again.
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Originally posted by Backwoods:
We might as well face it.To snake and the rest of the deranged left Bush is Satan;Obama is the Messiah sent to save America from evil(read:Republicans)and feed all the poor(including those to lazy to work using your hard earned money.)


Beware! Speaking ill of The Chosen One borders on BLASPHEMY. Take care lest one of His acolytes smites you with a lightning bolt expelled from his or her backside.

Honestly, I believe Obama is easier to take than many of his supporters. He probably gets a good laugh out of most of their antics. They're becoming worse than any Ronulan.
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Originally posted by LMM:
O snakie,
I call it as I see it.
If this man had been a southern white man or woman with his 'so-called' qualifications, he would not have even been running.
He was the perfect 'poster' child for a push for equality; young, handsome, married, cute kids, law degree(did he try any cases?), doesn't 'look' like the rest of those guys on the money, great orator, and a Muslim name. How much better could it get?


Are you saying Obama got the job because of his race? (Here we go again.)
I'm not sure why forum posters want to blaspheme God by calling Obama names reserved for God. Do we have a large number of atheists posting? I just find it interesting. I also find it interesting that a large number of "conservatives" are using a lot of bad language. Cover it up with letters, but the understanding and intent is quite evident. Please, if you don't respect others respect yourselves.
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Originally posted by Backwoods:
We might as well face it.To snake and the rest of the deranged left Bush is Satan;Obama is the Messiah sent to save America from evil(read:Republicans)and feed all the poor(including those to lazy to work using your hard earned money.)


Wrong. w is not Satan. He is just the Republican equivalent of Jimmy Carter. He was a lousy president and a very polarizing figure who was never able to sustain an average approval rating above 40% Link. I know that is hard for many loyal Republicans to take, but hey, that is just the way it is.

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The only Messiah is the Messiah. Obama is a very skilled polititian, who energized his party and the American electorate and won the 2008 Presidential election with more votes than w did in both his elections. I really don't think anyone expects that "all the poor" will be fed, but hopefully there will be fewer of them in the future. I think that is a decent goal for any nation to aspire to.
alason,
Try looking at this page for more info on Obama worship, it's not just the 'forum posters', or the atheists. Actually, all the atheists will tell you who they are, no guessing required. Big Grin

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Originally posted by LMM:
O snakie,
I call it as I see it.
If this man had been a southern white man or woman with his 'so-called' qualifications, he would not have even been running.
He was the perfect 'poster' child for a push for equality; young, handsome, married, cute kids, law degree(did he try any cases?), doesn't 'look' like the rest of those guys on the money, great orator, and a Muslim name. How much better could it get?



Are you saying Obama got the job because of his race? (Here we go again.)


There you go again, interpreting my thoughts. Can you tell me he would be where he is if he was a short, ugly, fat, white, redneck?

PS: I forgot the best part:
“A light will shine down from somewhere. It will light upon you. You will experience an epiphany and you will say to yourself, ‘I have to vote for Barack’,” Obama says
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Originally posted by LMM:
alason,
Try looking at this page for more info on Obama worship, it's not just the 'forum posters', or the atheists. Actually, all the atheists will tell you who they are, no guessing required. Big Grin

fficial&client=firefox-a" target="_blank">Link

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Originally posted by LMM:
O snakie,
I call it as I see it.
If this man had been a southern white man or woman with his 'so-called' qualifications, he would not have even been running.
He was the perfect 'poster' child for a push for equality; young, handsome, married, cute kids, law degree(did he try any cases?), doesn't 'look' like the rest of those guys on the money, great orator, and a Muslim name. How much better could it get?



Are you saying Obama got the job because of his race? (Here we go again.)


There you go again, interpreting my thoughts. Can you tell me he would be where he is if he was a short, ugly, fat, white, redneck?


I checked the search link and it was a bunch of blogs and no real reliable sources. I would tell the same thing to these folks.

As to "short, ugly, fat, white, redneck" being where Barrack Obama is at, I don't know the answer. I do know we have had some presidents that people claim to have considered "ugly." I also know we have had some extremely heavy Presidents and I am not an expert at fat. I have read that Andrew Jackson was considered less than refined to which some may assign "redneck." As I told you before, I personally don't care if the guy is a descendant of Martians. By all rights he ran for President of the United States, he won the majority of the popular vote, it would seem he will win a majority of the electoral college, and he will be sworn into the job on January 20, 2009.

I interpret "your thoughts" by the perception you have given to me. It leads me to an opinion. That opinion is, unfortunately, becoming solidified in my own perceptional reality.

In addition I frankly don't care if George W. Bush uses a Texan accent or a New England accent. He does get his words twisted once in a while, but I honestly believe he knows what he is thinking. Some people just have difficulty expressing themselves. I have a child with a disability (had a stroke in the womb) and he has a problem expressing his thoughts. The doctors say it isn't relevant to functions outside of the area affected by the stroke.

I don't believe anybody can honestly judge someone because they don't publicly release all their information. There is no requirement for the general public to see such information. I don't care about Barrack's transcript and I don't care about George Bush's transcript. I do form my own opinions through their actions. Right now I have a very high opinion of Barrack Obama. Maybe it will change, but I doubt it.

I am offended by anyone who would say that somebody won a public election because of race, religion, or some other unrealistic and irrelevant reason. I believe in America and I pray we are way better than that train of thought. In my opinion it is a lame excuse for criticizing a person.

It is also my opinion that pure ignorance would judge a person's performance in a job he hasn't even started. Ignorance is not a disrespectful word. It's just a lack of knowledge about a particular subject.

Now if Barrack Obama makes some really bad decisions during his tenure I am sure we will be critical of his performance. He may only serve one term, but I think it will be two.

It is my opinion that many people still use a single belief to hold a bucket of beliefs that can misguide their judgment, especially about decisions that simply won't change. They are subject to being caught up in a web. Neither Democrats, Republicans, Independents, Socialists, Communists, Christians, Muslims, Atheists, or any other segment of society is immune. We are slaves to our own belief system, our opinion. And we are free to subject ourselves to any leadership role model we wish.

Statements that label anyone "Socialist" isn't any more convincing to me than labeling someone "Conservative" just because they are part of the Republican Party. The two are not congruent. It is simply a way for a person to express their dislike for the outcome of the election. It would be a whole lot easier to say I just don't like the guy. (I am guilty of taking the difficult road.) Frankly, I simply don't like George W. Bush or what he has done. But that doesn't change anything. He was President. You don't like Barrack Obama and believe he will not do well. But that doesn't change anything.

So, I guess I was wrong in admonishing people for using what I would consider inappropriate language. It was just my opinion and formats my image of the person and their beliefs. I thought they may want to consider the idea of how they are being perceived.
"I also find it interesting that a large number of "conservatives" are using a lot of bad language"

Your own statement shows that you also have preconceived ideas of a person's character. You assume that conservatives must be good Christians and therefore cannot or should not use bad language. But the liberals complain that they should also be considered good Christians and it is not a GOP exclusive. So labeling always leads to wrong conclusions.
You are a very thoughtful and intelligent person who has to be shown the facts in person. That's great, but things I have listed about Obama are things said by him or his staff and are not ignorant rantings. I do hope the government pulls out of this mess, but I don't think a young inexperienced newcomer with charisma is going to be the key to our problems. He is already showing strain when he talks as he realizes how enormous this job is going to be and how much easier it is to sit back and criticize someone else doing it. He has experimented with socialist ideas, he does shows arrogance and condemnation to Bush and the administration before he is officially the Pres elect. He has given more press conferences in the last month than anyone else in Washington DC. I find it grossly conceited of him to 'push' Bush aside before Jan 20.
Like or hate Pres Bush, he is still in office.
If it offends you to think Obama won on race, how well would he had fared without the black vote, the push from young people to elect the first black president, or the attacks he and his family would have received from the press if they did not have to be careful not to be racist?
Race 'as a lame excuse' is not the same as saying "He's not qualified, he's too raw, he has no background".
The US is not up to that point yet, as proven by all the screamers on here saying if you did not vote for him, you are a racist.
Race was a part of the equation and cannot be ignored. The rest just pushed him along.
My opinion only, as will be attacked as usual.
Well I won't attack your opinion. How can one state your opinion is any different than just that, an opinion?

But I do ask that you point out where I said "conservatives" must be good Christians. I would submit they are not related. Conservatism is an ideology that includes a whole realm of avenues. My biggest complaint with many Democrats, Republicans, and politicians in general is the lack of fiscal conservatism. We may, however, disagree on what constitutes fiscal conservatism. We will agree that we need to stop the bleeding somewhere. I simply said the use of bad language forms a perception. Offensive language is not directly related to a particular religion. I would assume most faiths are not in favor of the language and I would assume many if not most non-religious people would also find certain language offensive. The overall definition of offensive language seems to only vary slightly among cultures, but I am no expert.
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Originally posted by LMM:
"I also find it interesting that a large number of "conservatives" are using a lot of bad language"

Your own statement shows that you also have preconceived ideas of a person's character. You assume that conservatives must be good Christians and therefore cannot or should not use bad language. But the liberals complain that they should also be considered good Christians and it is not a GOP exclusive. So labeling always leads to wrong conclusions.
You are a very thoughtful and intelligent person who has to be shown the facts in person. That's great, but things I have listed about Obama are things said by him or his staff and are not ignorant rantings. I do hope the government pulls out of this mess, but I don't think a young inexperienced newcomer with charisma is going to be the key to our problems. He is already showing strain when he talks as he realizes how enormous this job is going to be and how much easier it is to sit back and criticize someone else doing it. He has experimented with socialist ideas, he does shows arrogance and condemnation to Bush and the administration before he is officially the Pres elect. He has given more press conferences in the last month than anyone else in Washington DC. I find it grossly conceited of him to 'push' Bush aside before Jan 20.
Like or hate Pres Bush, he is still in office.
If it offends you to think Obama won on race, how well would he had fared without the black vote, the push from young people to elect the first black president, or the attacks he and his family would have received from the press if they did not have to be careful not to be racist?
Race 'as a lame excuse' is not the same as saying "He's not qualified, he's too raw, he has no background".
The US is not up to that point yet, as proven by all the screamers on here saying if you did not vote for him, you are a racist.
Race was a part of the equation and cannot be ignored. The rest just pushed him along.
My opinion only, as will be attacked as usual.


Yes, this is opinion and conjecture based on your own personal biased and unqualified opinion. How can you tell he is "showing strain"? What are the signs? How do you know his relative youth equates to inability to govern? That is simply a guess. In fact a large majority of Americans disagree with your assessment. The following links are from Gallup.

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Your view represents about 25% of the U.S. population.

Please offer some proof that Obama has "experimented with socialist ideas". That remark needs to be qualified.
But it is her opinion. In that respect we can form a perception but we cannot change her opinion. She supports her opinion with theories which are her perception. But until proven the theories are just that, theories. You are correct that you could argue against her theories, but I don't think you will affect her opinion.

However, she does state a fact we can all agree on: President Bush is still President. I happen to share her opinion that the government today is in a mess.

She is also correct that I find it offensive anyone perceives he was elected because of his race. In my opinion (no proof) there was probably as many people who voted against him because of his race as voted for him because of his race. It is my opinion that the number of people making their decision in that manner was insignificant to the election. I believe she disagrees with that opinion.

It would seem the Internet is rampant with blogs and forums that state all kinds of so-called facts. It is my opinion that most of those resources are unreliable. I also believe the country is so divided right now that it would be difficult to change many opinions. It is interesting to me that I seem to remember President Bush stating somewhere that he would unite the country. I don't believe he reached that objective.
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Originally posted by AlabamaSon:
But it is her opinion. In that respect we can form a perception but we cannot change her opinion. She supports her opinion with theories which are her perception. But until proven the theories are just that, theories. You are correct that you could argue against her theories, but I don't think you will affect her opinion.

However, she does state a fact we can all agree on: President Bush is still President. I happen to share her opinion that the government today is in a mess.

She is also correct that I find it offensive anyone perceives he was elected because of his race. In my opinion (no proof) there was probably as many people who voted against him because of his race as voted for him because of his race. It is my opinion that the number of people making their decision in that manner was insignificant to the election. I believe she disagrees with that opinion.

It would seem the Internet is rampant with blogs and forums that state all kinds of so-called facts. It is my opinion that most of those resources are unreliable. I also believe the country is so divided right now that it would be difficult to change many opinions. It is interesting to me that I seem to remember President Bush stating somewhere that he would unite the country. I don't believe he reached that objective.


The nation is far less divided at this moment than it has been in many years. 60+% (several polls verify that fact) of the nation is supportive of President Elect Obama. He won election winning more votes than the "victors" in the last four U.S. Presidential elections.

I am not interested in changing anyone's opinion. LMM and I have had out moments but, by and large, I like her. This is the way we show affection.

*Just saw a Wall St. Journal poll which gives Obama a 67% approval. Higher, apparently, than any President Elect since the poll began over 30 years ago. Not a sign of a divided nation. You must resist factoring local politics into a national trend.
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Originally posted by gracies old man:
this is just one of the numerous examples of his followers, bloggers, talking heads, and supporters naming him "the Messiah". I saw people at his rallies (on TV) carrying signs suggesting the same. so don't be so quick to blame conservatives.
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You may be correct. Who said conservatives were the only ones calling him the Messiah? I did exclude atheists as being concerned about perception. I don't think it would be as a big concern for them. Some do just because they have an indifference toward other people of faith. I find most atheists deep thinkers and very intelligent. In fact I actually hold Deep Fat in high regard (don't tell him) along with LMM. I see LMM has the stamina and the firmness in her beliefs to answer my questions and debate lively and openly. I think Howard has a strong belief system and varying opinions that are very well stated. I believe Gracies Old Man is firmly held in a belief system and is ready to bring it to the table. While I could give my opinion of many others I can't skip Geddon. I believe he is the most fiscally conservative of us all. And I like his picture of President Reagan.

I also said that, in my opinion, I don't give blogs much credit. They are interesting to read, and frankly I do enjoy reading your opinions.

I believe we learn something new everyday. And while my opinion of my vote or my personal political ideology has not changed, I enjoy reading the various differing opinions. I have high respect for some people of various political ideologies. I also have low opinions of a few for various reasons. But I don't want to share who or what as it really doesn't matter.

As I said it is my opinion there are many conservatives who do not believe in God. If you check my posts you will find that I also believe that conservative doesn't necessarily mean Democrat, Republican, or any other party. I feel our country has lost much of its fiscal conservatism over the past numerous years. I don't attribute it to either controlling party, I attribute it to both. But it is merely my opinion.

Edit: I left out meanasasnake and I have to mention my opinion of her. I think she has some great ideas. I told someone how I see her able to debate with four of five people at one time and hold firm.
Snakie,
How can I have an 'unqualified opinion'?? Of course its based on my personal bias, the same as yours is based on "if it ain't dem ,it don't count". He won more votes, but as I have noted before, percentage wise it is not as big as it looks.
As for showing strain, notice he has gray in his hair now? I noticed yesterday during the press conference about blajo, kiddo! Wink

As to Obama's rating, the average from RCP is 56% approval from all polls, see here:
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Alabamson,
Blogs and forums are the only place to read what the people think, to find a MSM article saying Obama is the Messiah will not happen. I erred in assuming you correlated 'conservative' with 'Christian'. Having heard this so much lately, I made the wrong assumption. My apologies. Smiler
You are right, I do see things from a bias even though I do try to read both sides and do my best to look objectively at each issue. Obviously, that is not 100% possible. Obama's race is part of the issue, maybe not the biggest part, but it is definitely a player. Two white men or two women would have lead to more discussions of their background than we saw during the campaigns. He has a big job ahead, I just wish he would wait, respectfully, for his turn at bat.
I have noticed Obama's hair already turning gray. Personally, I wouldn't want to be president. I would be stressed to the limit, if nothing else, just knowing I am the target of every crazy person in the world. You know, he even mentioned it turning gray in a speech. I wish I could remember where to find the information. I wonder what happens to bald people. Do they grow their hair back? Of course I don't remember many bald people being president. Maybe they did grow their hair back.

Edit: Oops. Gerald Ford was practically bald. And he didn't grow his hair back. There goes my theory. Cool
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. Personally, I wouldn't want to be president. I would be stressed to the limit, if nothing else, just knowing I am the target of every crazy person in the world.

Neither would I, even if it paid a million a year. No privacy, ever word analyzed to death, and anything goes wrong, it's your fault.
Obama does have to worry even more about the crazies since he has those two little girls. I would terrified every time they left the house!

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