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Originally posted by b50m:
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So much for the conservative contention that Americans hate taxes and are rabid about cutting them back.



Who has said that? The only ones 'rabid' about taxes is the left because they want the top level back to 90%.


Tea Party Rally Message: 'Cut It or Shut It'
MEMBERS URGE REPUBLICANS TO PUSH FOR EVEN DEEPER CUTS

http://www.newser.com/story/11...ns-a-government.html
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Originally posted by seeweed:
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
"People over 55 have spent their working lives in the expectation that the government would fund Medicare at a certain level, and Ryan would keep that implicit promise. People under that age would get a new deal. When they retire, they would be allowed to choose among health-care plans, with the government pitching in to help them make their premiums. No longer would the federal government attempt to micromanage the price of medical services; no longer would it encourage providers to perform more procedures regardless of patient outcomes.

The Ryan budget fixes the budgetary incentives in Medicaid, too. At the moment, the power to make funding promises is divorced from the responsibility to pay for them: The states set eligibility and benefit levels, and the federal government foots half the bill. Republicans would instead give the states a fixed amount of money to spend on the medical needs of the poor. By itself this reform would not make Medicaid a less crummy program for its beneficiaries. (The program’s patient outcomes are indistinguishable from those of people with no insurance at all.) But it would at least enable state-level reforms and stop the fiscal bleeding."

http://www.nationalreview.com/...dget-visions-editors


check around and see how many insurance companies are willing to accept you as a "customer" at 65 for some small "voucher".


I'm 64, and my high option BCBS costs slightly less than $7,000 per year. Remember medicare Part A is the only portion paid by the government. You must pay for part B yourself (about $110 per month). I'd take the voucher.
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Originally posted by The Propagandist:
Republican legislators are constantly looking for ways to cut government expenditures on social policies and regulatory programs, and they claim that the American public is with them on this. But polls show that there is in fact very little public demand that we cut back on government spending. When asked about specific government programs, large majorities of Americans repeatedly say they don’t want spending cuts, and they often support increased spending in these policy areas.

But what about taxes? We all know that everyone hates government taxes, right? Aren’t conservatives right about that? Not necessarily. Again it depends on how you ask people about their taxes. If you ask them whether their federal income taxes are too high, 50% naturally say “yes.” But if the questions about taxes include a reference to what people get for paying their taxes, their answers suddenly become much more positive. 84% of Americans say that they “don’t mind paying taxes because my taxes contribute to making sure we have public schools, clean streets, public safety and a national defense, and a cleaner environment.”9 More importantly, 80% would rather maintain spending levels on domestic programs such as education, healthcare, and Social Security rather than lower taxes.

Many Americans also acknowledge that it is their responsibility as a citizen to pay the taxes that support their government. 81% say they agree that they “don’t mind paying taxes because my taxes are part of my contribution to society as a citizen of the United States.” This is a pretty extraordinary statement. Not only do most Americans appreciate that taxes are necessary to provide the many vital government services that they all enjoy, they also don’t resent paying them. They clearly understand what Franklin Delano Roosevelt meant when he said: “Taxes, after all, are dues that we pay for the privileges of membership in an organized society.” So much for the conservative contention that Americans hate taxes and are rabid about cutting them back.

http://www.governmentisgood.com/feature.php?fid=3


When the nation is on a path to total financial destruct. When a rate of 100 percent taxation of everyone would be needed to cover the debt, yes, there must be changes.

The socialist nations of the EU are belly up. Without continual bailouts from the Germans, the PIGS would be belly up. In Greece, the looters are calling for the government to tax the remaining remnants of wealth -- the shipping magnates and the church. The ships could be re-flagged in Albania in a couple of days. Their corporate HQs could move to Florence or Venice in a month. And, the owners could move to Monaco, leaving Greece with nothing.

As for the Orthodox church, the gold altarware, icons and their precious metal frames might finance the socialist Disneyland for a few more month. How much the churches would bring in a land already in a depression --?
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Originally posted by The Propagandist:
The root word of "socialist" is "social." Are you trying to be anti-social? Psychiatrists have a few names to describe their patients when diagnosing people like that.

Wow, did that stretch throw your back out?

Socialism is picking your productive neighbor's pocket with government assistance. Thievery has nothing to do with being social.
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Originally posted by The Propagandist:
Republican legislators are constantly looking for ways to cut government expenditures on social policies and regulatory programs, and they claim that the American public is with them on this. But polls show that there is in fact very little public demand that we cut back on government spending. When asked about specific government programs, large majorities of Americans repeatedly say they don’t want spending cuts, and they often support increased spending in these policy areas.

But what about taxes? We all know that everyone hates government taxes, right? Aren’t conservatives right about that? Not necessarily. Again it depends on how you ask people about their taxes. If you ask them whether their federal income taxes are too high, 50% naturally say “yes.”
That is because only about 50% of the current citizenry actually PAY any taxes. The other 50% sit back and manage to get more back in refunds than they paid in.

But if the questions about taxes include a reference to what people get for paying their taxes, their answers suddenly become much more positive. 84% of Americans say that they “don’t mind paying taxes because my taxes contribute to making sure we have public schools, clean streets, public safety and a national defense, and a cleaner environment.
You are partially correct, if the question is asked correctly however, the majority of that number feel like there is room for improvement and financial responsibility is defintely lacking. The fact is that there is beginning to be a majority of people who are dependent upon a minority for financial handouts and subsidies. It is ridiculous, and cannot be supported at its current trend. The government has gotten too big. If you read about the things that are affected by a government shutdown, some of the things are absolutely ridiculous, such as the Cherry Blossom Parade, and the Zoo. Most zoos in this country are managed privately or through ticket sales, yet we continue to hang on to these ideals that the government should be in the entertainment division best served by the private sector.
”9 More importantly, 80% would rather maintain spending levels on domestic programs such as education, healthcare, and Social Security rather than lower taxes.

Many Americans also acknowledge that it is their responsibility as a citizen to pay the taxes that support their government. 81% say they agree that they “don’t mind paying taxes because my taxes are part of my contribution to society as a citizen of the United States.” This is a pretty extraordinary statement. Not only do most Americans appreciate that taxes are necessary to provide the many vital government services that they all enjoy, they also don’t resent paying them. They clearly understand what Franklin Delano Roosevelt meant when he said: “Taxes, after all, are dues that we pay for the privileges of membership in an organized society.” So much for the conservative contention that Americans hate taxes and are rabid about cutting them back.

Again, I disagree, most people in this country have no idea how much they are actually paying for taxes. For one year I wish the government would not withhold taxes and make EVERYONE have to pay them quarterly so they can see actually how much is it expected of them. There would be a tax revolt in the country the likes of which has never been seen. Everyone, of course, except those who are sitting on the porch the first of every month waiting for the "check" to come in.

http://www.governmentisgood.com/feature.php?fid=3
Wow, sounds like "old people" don't subscribe to having you "young folks" tell them what is best for them. Pretty hard to have an argument when the people you claim to be trying to save say no thanks, but keep trying.

You may one day have a majority in your way of thinking, it just won't be in your lifetime.
Even under the boldest scenarios for the 2012 budget, where Ryan is talking about cuts which could add up to trillions of dollars over the coming years, the numbers still don’t add up to a surplus. While it’s better than nothing, it still doesn’t turn the ship of state around. It simply means a somewhat slower slide toward hell. So what is the missing piece of the puzzle? Revenue.

Sadly, Republicans are genetically allergic to the idea of increased government revenue. Some areas of this discussion are not going to change in our lifetimes, so the idea of increasing tax rates in any form will probably remain off the table. But that doesn’t mean an answer isn’t out there, and it comes from tax reform. Ryan is already being bold, but why stop there?

[TAX THE RICH!]

Without that, we’re forced to rely on the “trickle down” theory to supply the funds needed to get us back in the black. Sadly, that has never performed up to expectations and it’s not going to solve this crisis any time soon. And frankly, we should stop pretending that it will.

http://hotair.com/greenroom/ar...ly-half-of-a-bridge/
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Originally posted by The Propagandist:
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Originally posted by b50m:
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So much for the conservative contention that Americans hate taxes and are rabid about cutting them back.



Who has said that? The only ones 'rabid' about taxes is the left because they want the top level back to 90%.


Tea Party Rally Message: 'Cut It or Shut It'
MEMBERS URGE REPUBLICANS TO PUSH FOR EVEN DEEPER CUTS

http://www.newser.com/story/11...ns-a-government.html


During World War II, Frank Sinatra paid 90% of his income in taxes and still live better than most other Americans. And he didn't whine about it.
What is the first thing you would do if your personal income was cut in half? My answer is reduce spending to bare bones survival mode. Food, medical, shelter, clothing, utilities, etc. are at the top of the list. NOT gifts, credit card payments, TV's, cell phones, internet, Ruby Tuesdays, etc.

Second, I would THEN explore ways to solve my income problem, second job, new job, selling my TV. I would not continue to spend keeping my fingers crossed that it will all work out. I would also NOT count on stealing from my hard working neighbor's wallet.

Maybe we can eliminate the Government middleman and just pass laws that force my neighbor to take care of me directly when times are hard for me. Since Government Overhead exceeds 100% of direct costs, that would be a huge savings overall. After all, if I am suffering or inconvenienced, shouldn't my neighbor have to suffer too? He should have to give up his cable so that I can keep my cell phone, right?
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Originally posted by The Propagandist:
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Originally posted by LE89:
What is the first thing you would do if your personal income was cut in half?


What if the the money was there, but you refused to take it?

TAX THE RICH!


It is and I do, everyday. I refuse food stamps, gov't assistance, free health care, un-employment, free cell phones, etc.

I'm all for fixing tax loopholes, we can start by getting rid of the IRS. Flat tax, or fair tax, I am all for it. Taxing the rich at a higher rate just because they are richer (eventhough we already do), NO.

Lower income persons or families already pay a sales tax when they purchase most any products, also pay a tobacco tax, liquor tax, gas tax, etc. If a fair tax is "UNFAIR", so are these taxes.

I'm all for raising import taxes, then only the rich will buy imports. Keep raising taxe rates on corporations and the rich, and they will keep leaving the good ole USA for more favorable countries tax rates. GE paid no income or capital gains taxes for year 2010 to the IRS, ZERO. I paid more than GE did.

These companies most likely want to come back, just get tax rates close to other countries and they will likely come back. We keep wanting them to do the right thing and pay double tax because it is American.

Stop tinkering with the engine, we have four flat tires and no spare in the trunk.
The flat tax and the fair tax are non-starters because the rich would end up paying more than they do now. The rich make the campaign contributions, so the rich are making the laws. Billionaire hedge fund managers dont pay regular income tax rates because they got a special law, just for them, that lets then call all their income capital gains, only without the required 1 year deferral.

To fix the budget, the rich will have to pay more cause they have all the money.
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Originally posted by Mr.Dittohead:
The flat tax and the fair tax are non-starters because the rich would end up paying more than they do now. The rich make the campaign contributions, so the rich are making the laws. Billionaire hedge fund managers dont pay regular income tax rates because they got a special law, just for them, that lets then call all their income capital gains, only without the required 1 year deferral.

To fix the budget, the rich will have to pay more cause they have all the money.


The Flat Tax was just proposed in the Arizona legislature and even those nitwits dropped it when it was shown that the only taxpayers who would get a reduction in taxes would be those making more than $100,000 a year. EVERYONE else would get a tax increase, some of over 300%. IF you are for the flat tax, that is cool, but you might be wise to figure out what it would do for or to you. Both th flat tax and fair tax were proposed by rich men who clearly understood the advantages. And, regardless of what the Tea Baggers tell you, those men are not your friends.
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Originally posted by LE89:

It is and I do, everyday. I refuse food stamps, gov't assistance, free health care, un-employment, free cell phones, etc.


I worked with a lady once who refused to use grocery store coupons, thinking it was "beneath her" and she "didn't want to appear so poor as to need coupons."

I asked her if she would buy an item if was advertised for 50% off. She said yes. I said that was exactly what a buy one, get one free coupon was -- just without the coupon.

You are refusing all those things which are available to you (as opposed to not being eligible for them), which are designed to help you, and would make you lot in life easier if you did accept them?

That is like deliberately making your hard row to hoe a whole lot harder because you don't want to use the tractor sitting there idle.
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Originally posted by The Propagandist:
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Originally posted by LE89:

It is and I do, everyday. I refuse food stamps, gov't assistance, free health care, un-employment, free cell phones, etc.


I worked with a lady once who refused to use grocery store coupons, thinking it was "beneath her" and she "didn't want to appear so poor as to need coupons."

I asked her if she would buy an item if was advertised for 50% off. She said yes. I said that was exactly what a buy one, get one free coupon was -- just without the coupon.

You are refusing all those things which are available to you (as opposed to not being eligible for them), which are designed to help you, and would make you lot in life easier if you did accept them?

That is like deliberately making your hard row to hoe a whole lot harder because you don't want to use the tractor sitting there idle.


I'm not against assistance for those who need it.

Also, I would use the tractor if it were mine and I paid for it, or else I would rent it. I wouldn't demand someone else pay for my use of it. If my neighbor offered it I might take them up on it, and return some of the fruits and vegetables to them, rather than tap my foot expecting them to let me use it again next year. That is just the way I think and the way I was raised.
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Originally posted by JimiHendrix:
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Originally posted by Mr.Dittohead:
The flat tax and the fair tax are non-starters because the rich would end up paying more than they do now. The rich make the campaign contributions, so the rich are making the laws. Billionaire hedge fund managers dont pay regular income tax rates because they got a special law, just for them, that lets then call all their income capital gains, only without the required 1 year deferral.

To fix the budget, the rich will have to pay more cause they have all the money.


The Flat Tax was just proposed in the Arizona legislature and even those nitwits dropped it when it was shown that the only taxpayers who would get a reduction in taxes would be those making more than $100,000 a year. EVERYONE else would get a tax increase, some of over 300%. IF you are for the flat tax, that is cool, but you might be wise to figure out what it would do for or to you. Both th flat tax and fair tax were proposed by rich men who clearly understood the advantages. And, regardless of what the Tea Baggers tell you, those men are not your friends.


A tax could be incremental in some sort of way, wouldn't have to be flat. But if it is designed solely to bilk money from those that have it, it will never work.
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Originally posted by Mr.Dittohead:
The flat tax and the fair tax are non-starters because the rich would end up paying more than they do now. The rich make the campaign contributions, so the rich are making the laws. Billionaire hedge fund managers dont pay regular income tax rates because they got a special law, just for them, that lets then call all their income capital gains, only without the required 1 year deferral.

To fix the budget, the rich will have to pay more cause they have all the money.


Then by your own admission, nothing will work since the rich indirectly make all the laws, according to you. Funny how Congress largely become Millionaires so quickly on a 150k or so salary. They must be money geniuses.
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Originally posted by LE89:
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Originally posted by The Propagandist:
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Originally posted by LE89:

It is and I do, everyday. I refuse food stamps, gov't assistance, free health care, un-employment, free cell phones, etc.


I worked with a lady once who refused to use grocery store coupons, thinking it was "beneath her" and she "didn't want to appear so poor as to need coupons."

I asked her if she would buy an item if was advertised for 50% off. She said yes. I said that was exactly what a buy one, get one free coupon was -- just without the coupon.

You are refusing all those things which are available to you (as opposed to not being eligible for them), which are designed to help you, and would make you lot in life easier if you did accept them?

That is like deliberately making your hard row to hoe a whole lot harder because you don't want to use the tractor sitting there idle.


I'm not against assistance for those who need it.

Also, I would use the tractor if it were mine and I paid for it, or else I would rent it. I wouldn't demand someone else pay for my use of it. If my neighbor offered it I might take them up on it, and return some of the fruits and vegetables to them, rather than tap my foot expecting them to let me use it again next year. That is just the way I think and the way I was raised.


L89,

You're arguing with someone who has lost, or never developed, the idea of self respect.
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:

L89,

You're arguing with someone who has lost, or never developed, the idea of self respect.


You don't gain self-respect by being able to say something like "All my children died for one easily-preventable reason or another. But through all of it, I never took a dime of government money!"

Here is how federal programs help people.
Watch video:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21...vp/42503559#42503559
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Originally posted by The Propagandist:
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:

L89,

You're arguing with someone who has lost, or never developed, the idea of self respect.


You don't gain self-respect by being able to say something like "All my children died for one easily-preventable reason or another. But through all of it, I never took a dime of government money!"

Here is how federal programs help people.
Watch video:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21...vp/42503559#42503559



This is the type garbage propaganda the left stoops to. You're killing millions, starving millions, putting granny in the street. They are now sheer raving mad. Logic, if they possessed it, has long fled. Obama and his crew completely screwed it up, they don't know how to fix it and now just scream at anyone who dares point out the obvious.
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
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Originally posted by The Propagandist:
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:

L89,

You're arguing with someone who has lost, or never developed, the idea of self respect.


You don't gain self-respect by being able to say something like "All my children died for one easily-preventable reason or another. But through all of it, I never took a dime of government money!"

Here is how federal programs help people.
Watch video:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21...vp/42503559#42503559



This is the type garbage propaganda the left stoops to. You're killing millions, starving millions, putting granny in the street.


In actuality, it isn't just those on the left but those in the middle according to most polls who are waking up with a hang over from the "tea party" and realizing that the right wing radical nutjobs that were elected ARE trying to kill people by starvation and putting granny in the street, especially if she is in a nursing home. And if she isn't just kill Medicare and hope she dies soon.
The PARTY'S over for the TEABAGGERS lintfilter, YOU LOSE and AMERICA WINS and is back on track!
"Wall Street shares slump as S&P downgrades US debt outlook

Shares fell heavily on Wall Street on Monday after a leading ratings agency fanned fears of Europe's debt crisis spreading across the Atlantic by issuing a strong warning about America's failure to tackle its budget deficit.

In a move seen by Wall Street as a "shot across the bows" of bickering politicians in Washington, Standard and Poor's (S&P) said it was cutting the outlook on the US's long-term rating from stable to negative for the first time since the attack on Pearl Harbor 70 years ago.

The announcement surprised the financial markets, where attention in recent months has been focused on the problems of the weaker nations of the eurozone. Renewed speculation that Greece will be forced to default on its debts led to a sharp sell-off in the euro, but S&P stressed that the US was not immune from the sovereign debt crisis."

More at: http://www.guardian.co.uk/busi...conomy-credit-rating

This is you idea of on track! For what, a train wreck!
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
"Wall Street shares slump as S&P downgrades US debt outlook

Shares fell heavily on Wall Street on Monday after a leading ratings agency fanned fears of Europe's debt crisis spreading across the Atlantic by issuing a strong warning about America's failure to tackle its budget deficit.

In a move seen by Wall Street as a "shot across the bows" of bickering politicians in Washington, Standard and Poor's (S&P) said it was cutting the outlook on the US's long-term rating from stable to negative for the first time since the attack on Pearl Harbor 70 years ago.

The announcement surprised the financial markets, where attention in recent months has been focused on the problems of the weaker nations of the eurozone. Renewed speculation that Greece will be forced to default on its debts led to a sharp sell-off in the euro, but S&P stressed that the US was not immune from the sovereign debt crisis."

More at: http://www.guardian.co.uk/busi...conomy-credit-rating

This is you idea of on track! For what, a train wreck!


MORE LINTFILTER SPIN:
What is the reason lintfilter??????????
Because of the thugs threats to not raise the debt ceiling.
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Originally posted by rocky:
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
"Wall Street shares slump as S&P downgrades US debt outlook

Shares fell heavily on Wall Street on Monday after a leading ratings agency fanned fears of Europe's debt crisis spreading across the Atlantic by issuing a strong warning about America's failure to tackle its budget deficit.

In a move seen by Wall Street as a "shot across the bows" of bickering politicians in Washington, Standard and Poor's (S&P) said it was cutting the outlook on the US's long-term rating from stable to negative for the first time since the attack on Pearl Harbor 70 years ago.

The announcement surprised the financial markets, where attention in recent months has been focused on the problems of the weaker nations of the eurozone. Renewed speculation that Greece will be forced to default on its debts led to a sharp sell-off in the euro, but S&P stressed that the US was not immune from the sovereign debt crisis."

More at: http://www.guardian.co.uk/busi...conomy-credit-rating

This is you idea of on track! For what, a train wreck!


MORE LINTFILTER SPIN:
What is the reason lintfilter??????????
Because of the thugs threats to not raise the debt ceiling.


The Guardian is a left wing paper.
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
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Originally posted by rocky:
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
"Wall Street shares slump as S&P downgrades US debt outlook

Shares fell heavily on Wall Street on Monday after a leading ratings agency fanned fears of Europe's debt crisis spreading across the Atlantic by issuing a strong warning about America's failure to tackle its budget deficit.

In a move seen by Wall Street as a "shot across the bows" of bickering politicians in Washington, Standard and Poor's (S&P) said it was cutting the outlook on the US's long-term rating from stable to negative for the first time since the attack on Pearl Harbor 70 years ago.

The announcement surprised the financial markets, where attention in recent months has been focused on the problems of the weaker nations of the eurozone. Renewed speculation that Greece will be forced to default on its debts led to a sharp sell-off in the euro, but S&P stressed that the US was not immune from the sovereign debt crisis."

More at: http://www.guardian.co.uk/busi...conomy-credit-rating

This is you idea of on track! For what, a train wreck!


MORE LINTFILTER SPIN:
What is the reason lintfilter??????????
Because of the thugs threats to not raise the debt ceiling.


The Guardian is a left wing paper.

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Not surprising that S&P did that. With debt at 14T and all combined revenues estimated at 13T, it's not a good bet.
It used to be you couldn't buy a house if your house payment added to your other bills was more than 40% of your monthly income.
Imagine how the government would function with that rule.
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Originally posted by rocky:
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
"Wall Street shares slump as S&P downgrades US debt outlook

Shares fell heavily on Wall Street on Monday after a leading ratings agency fanned fears of Europe's debt crisis spreading across the Atlantic by issuing a strong warning about America's failure to tackle its budget deficit.

In a move seen by Wall Street as a "shot across the bows" of bickering politicians in Washington, Standard and Poor's (S&P) said it was cutting the outlook on the US's long-term rating from stable to negative for the first time since the attack on Pearl Harbor 70 years ago.

The announcement surprised the financial markets, where attention in recent months has been focused on the problems of the weaker nations of the eurozone. Renewed speculation that Greece will be forced to default on its debts led to a sharp sell-off in the euro, but S&P stressed that the US was not immune from the sovereign debt crisis."

More at: http://www.guardian.co.uk/busi...conomy-credit-rating

This is you idea of on track! For what, a train wreck!


MORE LINTFILTER SPIN:
What is the reason lintfilter??????????
Because of the thugs threats to not raise the debt ceiling.


Where you going to get the money from rocky? What part of we are broke do you not understand?
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Originally posted by ferrellj:
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Originally posted by rocky:
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
"Wall Street shares slump as S&P downgrades US debt outlook

Shares fell heavily on Wall Street on Monday after a leading ratings agency fanned fears of Europe's debt crisis spreading across the Atlantic by issuing a strong warning about America's failure to tackle its budget deficit.

In a move seen by Wall Street as a "shot across the bows" of bickering politicians in Washington, Standard and Poor's (S&P) said it was cutting the outlook on the US's long-term rating from stable to negative for the first time since the attack on Pearl Harbor 70 years ago.

The announcement surprised the financial markets, where attention in recent months has been focused on the problems of the weaker nations of the eurozone. Renewed speculation that Greece will be forced to default on its debts led to a sharp sell-off in the euro, but S&P stressed that the US was not immune from the sovereign debt crisis."

More at: http://www.guardian.co.uk/busi...conomy-credit-rating

This is you idea of on track! For what, a train wreck!


MORE LINTFILTER SPIN:
What is the reason lintfilter??????????
Because of the thugs threats to not raise the debt ceiling.


Where you going to get the money from rocky? What part of we are broke do you not understand?


HOW DID YOUR TEA PARTY GO, FERRELLJ?????????????

Big Grin Roll Eyes Big Grin Big Grin Razzer Razzer Razzer Big Grin Razzer
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It went great, sorry you couldn't make it.

http://www.timesdaily.com/apps...ef=PH&show=galleries


Well, you TRIED to pump up the numbers by wanting me and Joy to "take notes"!
Looks like you were following the "Noah's Ark" plan!
Unfortunately for you, looks like only the weasels (whoever the speaker was, he did look like a weasel) and a few hippos showed up!
Your ark was pretty empty!

THE PARTY'S OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!! Razzer

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