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(Moved from another thread because of the enormous biblical significance)

GBRK says
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Regarding your point about the earth though it's almost like that argument of "if a tree falls in the forest but not one is there to hear it .. does it make any noise". Of course I know the earth is round, something I know and accept from seeing the reflection on the moon but if not for that it would be a matter of Faith because for what I can see from where I'm standing it is flat other than mountains.



GB my deluded friend, the earth is flat. Attached is a picture taken from outer space showing the flat earth. The evidence from this picture alone is very clear but there is eve more.

The Flat Earth Society sides with biblical principals by stating, "The International Flat Earth Society is the oldest continuous Society existing on the world today. It began with the Creation of the Creation. First the water...the face of the deep...without form or limits...just Water. Then the Land sitting in and on the Water, the Water then as now being flat and level, as is the very Nature of Water. There are, of course, mountains and valleys on the Land but since most of the World is Water, we say, "The World is Flat". Historical accounts and spoken history tell us the Land part may have been square, all in one mass at one time, then as now, the magnetic north being the Center. Vast cataclysmic events and shaking no doubt broke the land apart, divided the Land to be our present continents or islands as they exist today. One thing we know for sure about this world...the known inhabited world is Flat, Level, a Plain World."

There you have it, GB; a BIBLICAL foundation for the Flat Earth. You cannot deny the truth of the bible, my friend.

If that weren't enough, there are quite a few observational claims we can make simply by opening our eyes to the Truth of the flat earth. Among these PROOFS:

The Earth is accelerating upward at a rate of 9.8 m/s², thereby simulating gravity. This upward momentum is caused by a form of dark energy

The planetary bodies above the Earth revolve above it, thereby causing sunrise and sunset to occur. As the sun moves farther away, it shrinks until it is no longer able to be seen. The same phenomenon occurs with the stars to cause their movement.

As the sun orbits over the Earth, the Flat Earth theory maintains that the sun's orbit radius changes, causing it to be directly overhead different locations at different times of the year.

These are very obvious proofs to anyone with a rational mind, GB. Why in the flat world would you not accept this proof of the truth of the flat earth?

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Originally posted by greenhill mom:
Hey! I know the earth is round because that's what my globe looks like.... Razzer


Ah yes, but I know the world is flat because Jesus tells me so.

"Again the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them" (Matthew 4:8)

Certainly, if the earth were flat, standing atop "an exceedingly high mountain" would allow Jesus to see the whole earth, but there is no mountain tall enough to allow him to see the other side of a spherical earth. At most, one hemisphere would be seen, but not the other.
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Originally posted by greenhill mom:
Hey! I know the earth is round because that's what my globe looks like.... Razzer


Ah yes, but I know the world is flat because Jesus tells me so.

"Again the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them" (Matthew 4:8)

Certainly, if the earth were flat, standing atop "an exceedingly high mountain" would allow Jesus to see the whole earth, but there is no mountain tall enough to allow him to see the other side of a spherical earth. At most, one hemisphere would be seen, but not the other.


You're kidding, right? Roll Eyes
Actually Skeptic, until I noticed your reply to me under Bill's change of forum subject so that none of the non-believers or even a few other Christians would not follow and post distracting comments or I think he said pissing comments, I don't know about that though, anyway I didn't even know this subject was addressed to me. I still can't imagine that you or anyone else would post on Bills new forum topic since according to his reasoning because he changed the subject no one would follow. Well enough of that, yes, you and I both know why Bill changed subjects and also know why that subject isn't being debated any longer and why I won't get the response that I requested. Now about your question here.

Since you mentioned it, specifically, in your response on Bill's subject change forum, I came looking for this subject. Then only did I realize that you had moved over to this one so that's why I took so long to respond.


My response

There is a vast difference in compiling evidence and establishing theories and views based upon Physical entities and the Physical world than there is when you apply the same or attempt to apply the same to the Spiritual world. I realize that many don't accept that there is a spiritual world for we get into this circular argument where you again make an analogy pointing to the "flat earth". If your point was to say that people or the great majority of people sincerely believed the earth was flat for many years until substantial proof was that it wasn't then how do you expect me to argue against that point? My statement is that there is a spiritual realm apart from the physical world we live and exist in and one is not bound upon the other. There is no exploration into and back with regards to the spiritual realm but each Human has a spirit/soul within their fleshly physical body (yes I believe). It's that which is alive within you and when you close your eyes and look inward you just know or feel there is something special, unique there, something alive. Can I prove any of it? No. Do I have faith that it exist, Yes I do. I can only speak for myself, I only judge my own actions and beliefs to and the confirming proof is also evident only to myself, each has their own basis of their personal beliefs. My beliefs are in a Spiritual Being I, and other humans, call God. I can't nor don't have the ability to define Him for He can't be defined or constricted to fit a definition. I'm also not going to get into an argument of semantics where a physical constant or theory is used to argue against one that has a Spiritual basis and relies upon the spiritual for what you seek would be in impossibility.

You and others have very valid and reasonable reasons you cease to believe or don't believe and I haven't questioned that I fully acknowledge and embrace that fact. I, however, at times have been ask why I buy into Christianity and am so "delusioned" as you put it that I would believe in God. Faith, Love, other emotions are also things you can't hold in your hand and measure empirically or analyze under a microscope yet they exist and are real. I'm not here trying to convert you to any other belief basis different than that you and others have on here. I defend my personal belief basis, give answer for it, the best that I can but neither is that going to be changed for my basis for my belief is NOT a physical entity or a physical theory or some idea like "the world is flat" but it's based soundly upon a very real spiritual experience. I don't expect you or any other non-believer to accept or believe in God based on my word and I don't try and convert you or judge you. I can only tell you the reason for my steadfast belief and if sometime you or anyone else experiences similar then I'm sure you will make whatever decisions you want to make for yourselves. Otherwise I'll continue to guide my life by the measures and standards I choose to do so. Anything past a mental or cognitive acceptance of that fact would be an attempt to force me to your thinking or try to "convert" me. I'm happy with my faith, have no doubts or problems with it at all for it is totally sufficient for me and to sustain me. We disagree surely but I request the same courtesy of you and other non-believers as you request of believers ( well maybe you don't request it but in complaining about people trying to convert you or force Christian opinions or belief upon you then you imply it). No one should have "faith" or a belief forced upon them for one it can't be done and second it usually has the opposite effect.

I'm sure that's not the reply you wanted with regard to the flat earth but it's the only one I know to give you.
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I'm sure that's not the reply you wanted with regard to the flat earth but it's the only one I know to give you



Nah, GB, I just want and honest answer: Do you accept my flat earth theory as true or not?

I suspect not. If so, why not? I presented evidence for a flat earth. Why would you deny that evidence?

(and, no, this discussion actually has nothing to do with "faith" - not directly)
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I'm sure that's not the reply you wanted with regard to the flat earth but it's the only one I know to give you



Nah, GB, I just want and honest answer: Do you accept my flat earth theory as true or not?

I suspect not. If so, why not? I presented evidence for a flat earth. Why would you deny that evidence?

(and, no, this discussion actually has nothing to do with "faith" - not directly)



Okay then to give adequate treatment of it and give the answer you want please let me know what topic your links and evidence was presented and I'll go look again and give it more attention or if you have it just repost it here below and I won't have to go looking for it.

I won't, though, do to you as Bill has done to me and end the discussion without responding to your questions. You ask and deserve an answer so I'll try and do that for you.
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Okay then to give adequate treatment of it and give the answer you want please let me know what topic your links and evidence was presented


Really, GB, its a simple question. Do you believe in a flat earth or not? If you insist, here is my proof that I've already submitted for your review in a previous post:

Link and here: Link.

Now, do you accept my alternative to the heresy of a spherical earth or not?
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Originally posted by Skeptik:
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Okay then to give adequate treatment of it and give the answer you want please let me know what topic your links and evidence was presented


Really, GB, its a simple question. Do you believe in a flat earth or not? If you insist, here is my proof that I've already submitted for your review in a previous post:

Link and here: Link.

Now, do you accept my alternative to the heresy of a spherical earth or not?



Actually I had never heard of such a society before... I skipped ahead to the Cliff Notes version about the society on Wikipedia.


No I do not believe in a Flat Earth. I wouldn't make a very good member of this group. I will though say that when I started reading your first link I kinda got the same feeling as I did when I attempted to read Bill's last reply to me on the rapture forum continuation thread that he created.

I'm giving up on that one also and will attempt to cease posting to that topic for I've gone as far as I can go down that road.
"Again the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them" (Matthew 4:8)

Certainly, if the earth were flat, standing atop "an exceedingly high mountain" would allow Jesus to see the whole earth, but there is no mountain tall enough to allow him to see the other side of a spherical earth. At most, one hemisphere would be seen, but not the other.

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Originally posted by tomfan:You're kidding, right? Roll Eyes


Are you doubting the word of my lord and savior?
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No I do not believe in a Flat Earth.


Excellent, GB. Of course there is no flat earth. The evidence to the contrary is far too overwhelming, isn't it?

I'll cut to the chase: When you understand why you do not accept a flat earth as scientifically valid you will understand why the rest of the rational world does not accept Creationism as a valid scientific explanation of how life came to be.
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I thought you really believed the Earth was flat. It just seemed so consistent.


I know. Stupid isn't it? Why, such a belief despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary borders on the insane, doesn't it?

I'm sure you will let me know if I ever profess knowledge that is contrary to overwhelming evidence. I, of course, will do the same of you.
Well Skep, my confused little feller;

After having you under cognitive surveillance for sometime now I must conclude: you are a vandal of your own well-being with a seemingly constant pursuit to be overwhelmed due to the fact you are constantly navigating yourself in whatever direction that erases all doubt that you are opposed to a consensus of rational conclusions as to your interest in anything that might resemble caution when a kind disposition by God alone allows for your co-existence with other animals.
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After having you under cognitive surveillance for sometime now I must conclude: you are a vandal of your own well-being with a seemingly constant pursuit to be overwhelmed due to the fact you are constantly navigating yourself in whatever direction that erases all doubt that you are opposed to a consensus of rational conclusions as to your interest in anything that might resemble caution when a kind disposition by God alone allows for your co-existence with other animals.


You know what I think?

I think you can't say that single sentence on one breath.

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