The great white throne judgment is described in Revelation 20:11-15 and is the final judgment prior to the lost being cast into the lake of fire. We know from Revelation 20:7-15 that this judgment will take place after the millennium and after Satan, the beast, and the false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:7-10). The books that are opened (Revelation 20:12) contain records of everyone’s deeds, whether they are good or evil, because God knows everything that has ever been said, done, or even thought, and He will reward or punish each one accordingly (Psalm 28:4; 62:12; Romans 2:6; Revelation 2:23; 18:6; 22:12).

 

 

 

 

 

consider this warning Paul gave: "See then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off" (Rom. 11:22)

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Knock knock?  Reality here.

 

If one takes the books of the New Testament as historical (I do not) it was clear to writers that the second coming would happen during the apostle's lifetimes.

 

Notably: 

Mark 13:30

30 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.

 

Matthew 10:23

23 When they persecute you in this city, flee to another. For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes. 

 

Luke 21:32

32 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place.

 

It is quite obvious that the fictional character named Jesus believed he would return very shortly to rule his EARTHLY kingdom in person. It is also quite obvious that Jesus was wrong about when he was coming back. It wasn't until later that the gospel writers sort of adjusted their interpretaions lof the second coming.

 

And 2000 years later, the sheeple are still waiting.  TWO THOUSAND YEARS!  Grow up, people!

Originally Posted by I am the Fireman:

You may think it's a dream but one second after your last breath you'll be thinking different. God say's that every knee will bow and proclaim that He is Lord. That means you and all the other un-believers.

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If you think it's only non-believers that's going to be cast into that lake of fire, you need to read your Bible more.

Originally Posted by Unobtanium:

Knock knock?  Reality here.

 

If one takes the books of the New Testament as historical (I do not) it was clear to writers that the second coming would happen during the apostle's lifetimes.

 

Notably: 

Mark 13:30

30 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.

 

Matthew 10:23

23 When they persecute you in this city, flee to another. For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes. 

 

Luke 21:32

32 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place.

 

It is quite obvious that the fictional character named Jesus believed he would return very shortly to rule his EARTHLY kingdom in person. It is also quite obvious that Jesus was wrong about when he was coming back. It wasn't until later that the gospel writers sort of adjusted their interpretaions lof the second coming.

 

And 2000 years later, the sheeple are still waiting.  TWO THOUSAND YEARS!  Grow up, people!

 

 

Ya think?

 

Psychopaths have extremely inflated self-esteem. Their egocentricity is comparable to that of narcissists, and indeed it is occasionally hard to distinguish the two conditions from each other. They  see themselves as superior beings. They often appear arrogant, opinionated, domineering, and cocky. A psychopath always thinks he is the smartest person in the room and has no respect for the differing opinions of others. 

 

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Originally Posted by Unobtanium:

Knock knock?  Reality here.

 

If one takes the books of the New Testament as historical (I do not) it was clear to writers that the second coming would happen during the apostle's lifetimes.

 

Notably: 

Mark 13:30

30 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.

 

Matthew 10:23

23 When they persecute you in this city, flee to another. For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes. 

 

Luke 21:32

32 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place.

 

It is quite obvious that the fictional character named Jesus believed he would return very shortly to rule his EARTHLY kingdom in person. It is also quite obvious that Jesus was wrong about when he was coming back. It wasn't until later that the gospel writers sort of adjusted their interpretaions lof the second coming.

 

And 2000 years later, the sheeple are still waiting.  TWO THOUSAND YEARS!  Grow up, people!

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uno,,,Do you even know what generation Luke is talking about????

No you don't. 

Doesn't matter, you will be preoccupied with the wailing and gnashing

of your own teeth.

Forget the rain, pray they ain't no Hell------------

 

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Why is there always such an angry energy that comes off of all the religious threads?  And saying it all comes from "unbelievers" isn't true.  It's as if the topics bring out the need for so many to prove one thing or another.  Where is the love and peace in the threads?

Frog, the same reason you don't find "love" on the political sites. People have different opinions. Some claim ownership of a forum. "Discussions" get heated, then people get "personal", then some get "threatening" to others. Some can handle it, some can't. If you have "thin skin" none of these forums are the place to be.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Frog, the same reason you don't find "love" on the political sites. People have different opinions. Some claim ownership of a forum. "Discussions" get heated, then people get "personal", then some get "threatening" to others. Some can handle it, some can't. If you have "thin skin" none of these forums are the place to be.


Hmm, yes, people have different opinions, and it is wonderful to discuss and learn from each other.  It's isn't necessary to go past that phase of a discussion though....really it isn't.  Who learns or enjoys a discussion in a healthy way if the nastiness begins?

 

So the answer seems to be that those who insult, get personal, or threaten others get to own the forums?  What exactly does thin skin mean in this context then?  Would it mean that if it bothers me to see people hurling insults and trying to demean and threaten each other I have thin skin and don't belong in a religion forum?  Now isn't that ironic?

 

In some forums those who behave in those ways are banned or at least reminded to be civil...although in a religion forum one would think that would be a natural way to behave...but do you mean that here the accepted and encouraged way to interact is nastiness?  How sad....

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Frog, the same reason you don't find "love" on the political sites. People have different opinions. Some claim ownership of a forum. "Discussions" get heated, then people get "personal", then some get "threatening" to others. Some can handle it, some can't. If you have "thin skin" none of these forums are the place to be.


I agree.  You won't find too much civility on a political site.  And that is why we are in such a sad state of existence in this country...in the world really.  If we can't discuss and negotiate what policies are in place that is bad enough, but it is established that the norm on a political site is nastiness.  Why would anyone be surprised that our leaders can't solve anything if no one can have a civil conversation?

Originally Posted by gbrk:

Don't you two go and spoil Unob's knowledge of scripture with silly things such as facts or accurate interpretation and actual meaning of "this generation".  

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Ahh, the old "Out of Context" fallacy again.  Nice.  

 

So I guess Pauls letter was also some sort of ""context" thing, too when he was begging followers to get right with their womenfolk?

 

1 Corinthians 7:29-31

29 But this I say, brethren, the time is short, so that from now on even those who have wives should be as though they had none, 30 those who weep as though they did not weep, those who rejoice as though they did not rejoice, those who buy as though they did not possess, 31 and those who use this world as not misusingit. For the form of this world is passing away. 

 

And here is another verse that I am certainly taking "out of context" because it seems to clearly assert that Paul beleived that at least some of his friedns would still be alive when Jesus returned:

 

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.[a]

15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words."

 

And Paul certainly seem to suggest that dead people would simply remain dead.  It was the LIVE people who went to heaven.  I wonder when that changed?

 

TWO THOUSAND YEARS, you people have been waiting.  How deluded must one be to keep on waiting for some fictional dead guy to return from his sky palace?  GROW UP!

Originally Posted by frog:
 

Why is there always such an angry energy that comes off of all the religious threads?  And saying it all comes from "unbelievers" isn't true.

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Frog, you are obviously taking their anger "out of context."  The loving Christians simply appear to be angry but they are actually turning the other cheek by continuing to come back here to hurl insults and defend the words of their invisible man.

 

I hope that clears it up for you.  

Originally Posted by frog:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Frog, the same reason you don't find "love" on the political sites. People have different opinions. Some claim ownership of a forum. "Discussions" get heated, then people get "personal", then some get "threatening" to others. Some can handle it, some can't. If you have "thin skin" none of these forums are the place to be.


Hmm, yes, people have different opinions, and it is wonderful to discuss and learn from each other.  It's isn't necessary to go past that phase of a discussion though....really it isn't.  Who learns or enjoys a discussion in a healthy way if the nastiness begins?

 

So the answer seems to be that those who insult, get personal, or threaten others get to own the forums?  What exactly does thin skin mean in this context then?  Would it mean that if it bothers me to see people hurling insults and trying to demean and threaten each other I have thin skin and don't belong in a religion forum?  Now isn't that ironic?

 

In some forums those who behave in those ways are banned or at least reminded to be civil...although in a religion forum one would think that would be a natural way to behave...but do you mean that here the accepted and encouraged way to interact is nastiness?  How sad....

 

 

 

Philosopher? 

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