If Democrats are really wanting to improve Race Relations then the one thing they surely shouldn't do is reparations.  I won't deny that there remains a racism problem in America but part of that is that people are denying 1/2 of the problem.  Racial problems don't reside only on one race and until that is realized progress may be slow if any.  What will totally exaserbate racial hatred and racism is for Congress to approve some form of reparations paid to people who never suffered from slavery.  

For one there is no former slaves alive today and they are the rightful ones that should receive reparations if reparations are paid.  Second to pay reparations is a total insult to the thousands of white Americans whose families fought and died securing freedom for slaves in the unCivil War.  I may be totally off base here and totally wrong but I believe the people crying the most for reparations are those who are simply wanting a government handout or more of a handout than they are getting now.  I believe far more than reparations Black Americans are wanting fare competition in the workplace and to be given equal chances in America to anyone of any other race.  As seen in the article though there is a strong hatful reaction toward anyone of any color who opposes reparations.

In my opinion, if reparations are given to anyone, they should be given to American Indians who had most of their lands taken from them without any compensation.  Still reparations is a dog whistle to people who want more of something for nothing and a free ride.  All Reparations (in my opinion) will do is farther divide the races and cause/generate far more hatred on the part of people that otherwise would never have a racist bone in their body.  For the most part, given the timing and everything, I believe the Democrats are playing the pandering game once again in trying to compete with Trump whose policies have been responsible for historic low numbers of Black American unemployment and historically low Hispanic unemployment.  When you look at Democrat's actual performance record when it comes to what they have actually done for Black Americans it's abysmal, especially in most large Democratically run cities and urban areas.  They have to come up with something outrageous in order to continue to secure their minority voting block so what better way to get people's attention than promise them the world then when things fall apart blame someone else as anarchy prevails around them from the people promised something they didn't actually get and were never were in the picture of getting.

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I copied this from another site...it's pretty good.

Figure how much reparations will cost us and then deduct the trillions already paid to blacks via all government programs in the past. Then figure how many blacks actually have ancestors that were slaves. Get a list of all the countries that sold people into slavery and all the countries that bought them and figure out their share so they can contribute to the reparations fund. Get an idea of the money we're talking and who would actually pay and receive it. Then make sure the ones that receive reparations are never on government programs again, and have them pay back any money they have been given before on government programs. The blacks whose ancestors owned slaves will be exempt from getting any money. Do all this and then we can discuss.

 

I believe that the amount of money for reparations could be ginormous if the left decides the issue:

Estimating Slavery Reparations: Present Value Comparisons of Historical Multigenerational Reparations Policies

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.co...l/10.1111/ssqu.12151

"I estimate the present value of U.S. slave labor in 2009 dollars to range from $5.9 to $14.2 trillion. Historical precedents suggest that political rather than narrowly legal processes will determine any ultimate claims."

I wonder if all of us with Union Army predecessors can bill those who take the reparation money to pay for their freedom?

About 82% of all blacks come to America after 1865 as immigrants.

About the same number of whites were also after 1865.

What about finding out that very small number for reparations
that's not going to happen. 
 

What about all the blacks that owned black slaves ?

What about the Dutch that sold them in the second place ?

What about the stronger tribes of blacks that rounded up
the blacks and sold them to the Dutch in the first place ?
 
What about the free clothing, room and board before 1865 ?
 
  

And here is another, although unproven and unknown I guarantee, a fact associated with reparations.  IT WON'T CHANGE A THING!  Those that are running around with a victim mentality looking for payouts will continue to do so regardless of if there was or was not reparations.  

Just look at the 2008/2012 election where the first minority President was elected.  He surely wasn't elected on his qualifications but so many thought now that we've (America) has elected a minority that race relations will be perfect and that finally there will be peace and harmony among the races.  The actual result was the total opposite and race relations were worse than they were before.  

The only thing that reparations will do is create far more division among the races and far more anger among whites, many who never would have been angry or upset before.  As for the minorities involve I GUARANTEE the result will be the same number or more coming back yelling, protesting, creating anarchy because IT WASN'T FELT TO BE ENOUGH!  There would be calls for more and more and more and more and more and more ... over and over and over and over and over again.  

It's the same thing with Bernie's, and many of the Democrat's socialism and give-a-way programs.  For one it won't be, and never will be, enough to satisfy the people looking for free handouts or freebees and second when the point is reached where it cannot be sustained due to lack of funding and money available then there will be riots, protest, anarchy and rebellion met by an ever oppressive government the would, by necessity to survive, have to remove people's freedoms and enslave many under the oppression of Government.  We have such a great Nation and system as it is and a miraculous Constitution that has provided unprecedented lifestyles and wealth for even those we consider in poverty, yet most Democrats want to change it.  

In our own forum we will have democrats who will attempt to defend what the 2020 Democrats want to do and will consider Trump and attempts to "Make America Great/Keep America Great" a negative thing as if we have no right to want to do that.  

I challenge ANY Democrat to cite, or show proof  that any Democratically led City or State is making progress and making life better for it's citizens today.  Any State or large city that has had Democratic leadership for any given time frame.  Is there any area of utopia in the United States that can attribute it's progress and success to Democratic leadership and/or principals?  If so here is the place to cite it.  WHERE ARE these bastions of Democratic Utopia where everyone is equal, everyone is sharing in the pie and experiencing the promises that current Democratic candidates are promising for the United States if they kick Trump out❓ 

Think about California which used to be run by Republicans then changed to Democrats and look at California's state of affairs today?  Look at New York/New York City and how things are trending there.  Look at cities like Chicago and Detroit bastions of Democratic leadership for years and years and how things are there for both those who have an those who have not.  Consider the difference in New York City itself transitioning from Republican leadership under Rudy Giuliani back to Democratic Leadership under Bill de Blasio.  For that matter name any Nation that has thrived under Socialism?  Famous last words of any society or Nation considering Socialism ... "It will be different here".  

To be fair there are examples of States that have trouble and failures that are governed by Republicans so it isn't always the Political Party that makes the big differences but rather the values and policies that are being implemented and that the State/Nation etc are run under.  Conservative policies and Capitalism with low taxes and putting people in power and bolstering competition to thrive and succeed where everyone has opportunity is key, not political party.  

Today though one political party is more attuned to Conservative principals and the principals of our Constitution and another party isn't and wants to change our Constitution.  One Party celebrates America and wants to keep making it stronger and better where the other party is apologetic as if America has done something it needs to apologize for.  One Political party today celebrates America, freedom, and sees America as a shining light on a hill to be admired and envied by all others whereas the other Party feels ashamed of America thinking that we only achieved what we have on the backs of poor oppressed others and we need to apologize and make things equal and we shouldn't celebrate who we are because it makes others feel bad and hurts their feelings.  

One party wants to give opportunity to thrive to all people whereas all people have the chance to succeed based upon their own merits and willpower whereas the other party wants to place their figurative thumb on scales giving unearned advantages to some people at the expense of others, wanting to give things away instead of a system where you can earn it or achieve with hard work and risk.   Punishing some people who never had a part in past offenses and reward others who never were harmed in the first place.  That last statement is far more complicated than just a short sentence but hopefully the meaning will come through.  

gbrk posted:

I'm just waiting to see if any liberal and/or Dem can come up with any example of a Democrat success.

Biggest success story was how they lied Roy Moore out of office and it
didn't matter if it cost them 3 million. Those out of state illegal votes
are the ones they live for.
Jack Hammer posted:
gbrk posted:

I'm just waiting to see if any liberal and/or Dem can come up with any example of a Democrat success.

Biggest success story was how they lied Roy Moore out of office and it
didn't matter if it cost them 3 million. Those out of state illegal votes
are the ones they live for.

They don't want to discuss the group paid by a huge Dem donor...imitating Russians pretending to support Moore. Doug Jones said nothing about it when informed. Jones should have resigned.

Well no doubt Moore will be running again but the real question will be can he or will he win the Republican primary?  If by some means if he does win then I believe that the outside money spent in the campaign before will be nothing compared to what will be brought in this time around.  

Jutu posted:
Jack Hammer posted:
gbrk posted:

I'm just waiting to see if any liberal and/or Dem can come up with any example of a Democrat success.

Biggest success story was how they lied Roy Moore out of office and it
didn't matter if it cost them 3 million. Those out of state illegal votes
are the ones they live for.

They don't want to discuss the group paid by a huge Dem donor...imitating Russians pretending to support Moore. Doug Jones said nothing about it when informed. Jones should have resigned.

Huh?

Doug Jones says to investigate misleading effort that supported his campaign

 

https://www.al.com/news/2018/1...ed-his-campaign.html

Dr. John posted:
Jutu posted:
Jack Hammer posted:
gbrk posted:

I'm just waiting to see if any liberal and/or Dem can come up with any example of a Democrat success.

Biggest success story was how they lied Roy Moore out of office and it
didn't matter if it cost them 3 million. Those out of state illegal votes
are the ones they live for.

They don't want to discuss the group paid by a huge Dem donor...imitating Russians pretending to support Moore. Doug Jones said nothing about it when informed. Jones should have resigned.

Huh?

Doug Jones says to investigate misleading effort that supported his campaign

 

https://www.al.com/news/2018/1...ed-his-campaign.html

What ??

The Jones effort is the same as O J Simpson offering a reward.   huh

Jack Hammer posted:
Dr. John posted:
Jutu posted:
Jack Hammer posted:
gbrk posted:

I'm just waiting to see if any liberal and/or Dem can come up with any example of a Democrat success.

Biggest success story was how they lied Roy Moore out of office and it
didn't matter if it cost them 3 million. Those out of state illegal votes
are the ones they live for.

They don't want to discuss the group paid by a huge Dem donor...imitating Russians pretending to support Moore. Doug Jones said nothing about it when informed. Jones should have resigned.

Huh?

Doug Jones says to investigate misleading effort that supported his campaign

 

https://www.al.com/news/2018/1...ed-his-campaign.html

What ??

The Jones effort is the same as O J Simpson offering a reward.   huh

Just like when he asked them to stop using the ad with the LIE that Moore was banned from the mall. Oh...wait...he approved of that ad! That little troll Jones had no intentions of anything being investigated...and should have been removed from office since he doesn't have the integrity to resign. al.com.....what a joke.

Doug Jones had ample chance to show and demonstrate he was not lead around, like a lap dog on a leash, by Chuck Schumer when the vote on Justice Kavanaugh came up.  Doug Jones though proved that he was not his own person but rather would get in line, lock step, with the Democrats no matter what legislation or item was up before Congress.   Doug Jones is a Democrat Represenative not an Alabama Represenative.  That said, the same could possibly be said about Richard Shelby as well.  The difference in that, though, is that Richard Shelby votes along the lines of what the majority of his constitutes in Alabama want.  Alabama is mostly conservative and generally does support conservative/republican ideology and positions.   Doug Jones does not support any of those conservative agenda.

Jutu posted:
Jack Hammer posted:
Dr. John posted:
Jutu posted:
Jack Hammer posted:
gbrk posted:

I'm just waiting to see if any liberal and/or Dem can come up with any example of a Democrat success.

Biggest success story was how they lied Roy Moore out of office and it
didn't matter if it cost them 3 million. Those out of state illegal votes
are the ones they live for.

They don't want to discuss the group paid by a huge Dem donor...imitating Russians pretending to support Moore. Doug Jones said nothing about it when informed. Jones should have resigned.

Huh?

Doug Jones says to investigate misleading effort that supported his campaign

 

https://www.al.com/news/2018/1...ed-his-campaign.html

What ??

The Jones effort is the same as O J Simpson offering a reward.   huh

Just like when he asked them to stop using the ad with the LIE that Moore was banned from the mall. Oh...wait...he approved of that ad! That little troll Jones had no intentions of anything being investigated...and should have been removed from office since he doesn't have the integrity to resign. al.com.....what a joke.

Please tell us how you would have him removed? That's a pretty tall order.

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