Things we need to remember about water boarding

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Originally posted by Lariat05:
It is wrong and foolish to continue to insist that there is justification for this nation to use torture. End of story, notwithstanding the irrelevant attempted embellishment of arguments to the contrary with pictures showing the horror of 9/11.


You're right Beternu.God **** America.Heck,all you yeller bellied liberals beleive that 9/11 wasour fault."Americas Chickens are comin home to roost!"

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Originally posted by kperk:

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Originally posted by Lariat05:
It is wrong and foolish to continue to insist that there is justification for this nation to use torture. End of story, notwithstanding the irrelevant attempted embellishment of arguments to the contrary with pictures showing the horror of 9/11.


You're right Beternu.God **** America.Heck,all you yeller bellied liberals beleive that 9/11 wasour fault."Americas Chickens are comin home to roost!"

They HAVE BECOME what they cry so loudly about in denial, UN-AMERICAN!

PS beturdyou, these pictures will always be here to remind you that you and your ilk are on the wrong side IF you are in fact, an American.

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Originally posted by Lariat05:

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Originally posted by kperk:

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Originally posted by Lariat05:
It is wrong and foolish to continue to insist that there is justification for this nation to use torture. End of story, notwithstanding the irrelevant attempted embellishment of arguments to the contrary with pictures showing the horror of 9/11.


You're right Beternu.God **** America.Heck,all you yeller bellied liberals beleive that 9/11 wasour fault."Americas Chickens are comin home to roost!"

They HAVE BECOME what they cry so loudly about in denial, UN-AMERICAN!

PS beturdyou, these pictures will always be here to remind you that you and your ilk are on the wrong side IF you are in fact, an American.

From their anti-America rants,I'm starting to wonder if Beternu and Blew aren't those funny sounding fellers you get on the phone when you call DirecTV.

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They, and Paul Begala, and John McCain are most particularly and obviously in error in equating the Japanese “water cure” torture with US water-boarding.

In the “water cure,” according to the Tribunal’s war crimes description, [t]he victim was bound or otherwise secured in a prone position; and water was forced through his mouth and nostrils into his lungs and stomach until he lost consciousness. Pressure was then applied, sometimes by jumping upon his abdomen to force the water out. The usual practice was to revive the victim and successively repeat the process.

The Tribunal does not mention it, but historically the “water cure” torture technique was often performed with sufficient brutality that internal organs would be ruptured with fatal results, or merely performed excessively to the point where the victim’s body’s electrolyte balance was fatally compromised, producing death by “water intoxication.”

In the “water-cure,” the victim’s mouth is forced open, and enormous quantities of water are poured down his throat. If he fails to swallow any of the rapidly-poured water, it goes into his lungs and he really does experience drowning.

In the US-government-authorized water-boarding of three mass murderers, a cloth or cellophane barrier was placed over the criminal’s face and water poured on it for intervals of 10 to 40 seconds. Water was specifically prevented from entering the subject’s respiratory system.

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Originally posted by Flatus the Ancient:
HolierNthou, the Japanese techniques and US waterboarding are entirely different. The only similarity is that both use water.

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They, and Paul Begala, and John McCain are most particularly and obviously in error in equating the Japanese “water cure” torture with US water-boarding.

In the “water cure,” according to the Tribunal’s war crimes description, [t]he victim was bound or otherwise secured in a prone position; and water was forced through his mouth and nostrils into his lungs and stomach until he lost consciousness. Pressure was then applied, sometimes by jumping upon his abdomen to force the water out. The usual practice was to revive the victim and successively repeat the process.

The Tribunal does not mention it, but historically the “water cure” torture technique was often performed with sufficient brutality that internal organs would be ruptured with fatal results, or merely performed excessively to the point where the victim’s body’s electrolyte balance was fatally compromised, producing death by “water intoxication.”

In the “water-cure,” the victim’s mouth is forced open, and enormous quantities of water are poured down his throat. If he fails to swallow any of the rapidly-poured water, it goes into his lungs and he really does experience drowning.

In the US-government-authorized water-boarding of three mass murderers, a cloth or cellophane barrier was placed over the criminal’s face and water poured on it for intervals of 10 to 40 seconds. Water was specifically prevented from entering the subject’s respiratory system.

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Originally posted by beternU:

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Originally posted by Flatus the Ancient:
HolierNthou, the Japanese techniques and US waterboarding are entirely different. The only similarity is that both use water.

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They, and Paul Begala, and John McCain are most particularly and obviously in error in equating the Japanese “water cure” torture with US water-boarding.

In the “water cure,” according to the Tribunal’s war crimes description, [t]he victim was bound or otherwise secured in a prone position; and water was forced through his mouth and nostrils into his lungs and stomach until he lost consciousness. Pressure was then applied, sometimes by jumping upon his abdomen to force the water out. The usual practice was to revive the victim and successively repeat the process.

The Tribunal does not mention it, but historically the “water cure” torture technique was often performed with sufficient brutality that internal organs would be ruptured with fatal results, or merely performed excessively to the point where the victim’s body’s electrolyte balance was fatally compromised, producing death by “water intoxication.”

In the “water-cure,” the victim’s mouth is forced open, and enormous quantities of water are poured down his throat. If he fails to swallow any of the rapidly-poured water, it goes into his lungs and he really does experience drowning.

In the US-government-authorized water-boarding of three mass murderers, a cloth or cellophane barrier was placed over the criminal’s face and water poured on it for intervals of 10 to 40 seconds. Water was specifically prevented from entering the subject’s respiratory system.

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You didn't tell the whole story. From Wikipedia:

"The United States's Office of Legal Counsel stated the CIA's definition of waterboarding in a Top Secret 2002 memorandum as follows:

In this procedure, the individual is bound securely to an inclined bench, which is approximately four feet by seven feet. The individual's feet are generally elevated. A cloth is placed over the forehead and eyes. Water is then applied to the cloth in a controlled manner. As this is done, the cloth is lowered until it covers both the nose and mouth. Once the cloth is saturated and completely covers the mouth and nose, air flow is slightly restricted for 20 to 40 seconds due to the presence of the cloth… During those 20 to 40 seconds, water is continuously applied from a height of twelve to twenty-four inches. After this period, the cloth is lifted, and the individual is allowed to breathe unimpeded for three or four full breaths… The procedure may then be repeated. The water is usually applied from a canteen cup or small watering can with a spout… You have… informed us that it is likely that this procedure would not last more than twenty minutes in any one application."

Puts a different cast on it, don't you think? When the cloth is saturated and completely covers the nose and mouth, and more water is continuously poured over it, common sense tells you that there is more than a "slight" restriction of air flow. Try it some time if you don't believe it.

You right-wing nutjobs never quit, no matter how ridiculous your "cause."

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Puts a different cast on it, don't you think? When the cloth is saturated and completely covers the nose and mouth, and more water is continuously poured over it, common sense tells you that there is more than a "slight" restriction of air flow. Try it some time if you don't believe it.

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Originally posted by Lariat05:
You right-wing nutjobs never quit, no matter how ridiculous your "cause."


Reminds me of the peole you love to defend so much.The beleive in their F'ed up cause enough to fly planes in to buildings.Thats all I've got time to say right now.I'm headed to the river to go water boarding,I mean innertubing.

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Originally posted by flotown79:
if I had enough weapons, say a few rocket launchers, I could have blown up every plane on the runway, and drove off.

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Originally posted by DixieChik:
I'm still trying to understand why America is supposed to do away with interrogation techniques, but other countries do the same thing and they are not held accountable. I'm wondering why our soldiers (specifically SEALS) are trained on how to handle being waterboarded if they are captured, but we are not supposed to have the ability to do the same. We don't behead people either, but our people were beheaded by AlQaeda and other terrorists. Just because we did it to 3 detainees out of the hundreds we held -- that's pretty good odds if you ask me. If they know they won't get "handled" what is to deter them from attacking us again or other countries to continue to do that to our people when they are captured? I realize America is supposed to be a more civilized nation and all, it works both ways -- if you are going to do it to us -- you better know that we will do it back to you...